Francis Ford Coppola Thinks Marvel Movies Are 'Despicable'.

I'm no scorcese fan, but marvel / superhero movies are shallow as ****. But hey, just like so many top selling video games.

Oh get over yourself. You don't get to make people have the same opinion as yourself.

Oh I am unconcerned of you sharing my opinion as I have stated numerous times between this and the Scorsese thread. At this point I am just mocking you elitists over being so petty. You guys act like it is the end of the world cinema.

Also making false statements like calling cinema a genre is not an opinion - it is just incorrect.

With CGI.....

Im 27 and i agree, most marvel movies are borring, cheesey dialogue, theres a couple stand outs, logan and joker, I like these takes

deadpool, iron man, civil war were pretty good, but the hero movies are comming too fast, i cant keep up with all of them, nor do i care, because many of them suck, antman, ant and wasp, captain marvel, then you got DC putting out justice league.., suicide squad, we get joker movie.. of coarse we need a Harley quin movie in the same year.. I dont think a week goes by without a superhero movie in theaters.

About 1/4 of them are good, the rest are mainly wait for netflix and play it as background noise.

I am a big fan of Blade, the original is my favorite marvel movie.... So i will be checking that one out, doubt it will be as good without snipes tho.

Hot take: avengers movies are 🗑most overhyped of all time. No where near deserving the amount of praise. Its just a cicle jerk for the comic book fans, how many heroes and references can we cram into this movie, the story and writing is just baaaaaad tho.

Another hot take: man of steel is better than endgame.

Alot of these hero movies are flat and more about the CGI than acting, story, or dialouge. Im pretty sick of them, im done ranting. End of rant: You go old man, ill yell at the clouds with you!!! They dont hear us tho

And you're acting like your opinion matters and you call others elitists? How ironic. The hypocrisy is huge.

Meh. I'll never get the feeling from a Marvel film that I'll get from a Coppolla or Scorsese film. Not saying Marvel films aren't entertaining in their own right. They'll just never feel like classic films when they age.

No. Facts are facts, and opinions don't change facts.

Some statements that have been made between this and the Scorsese thread that have been disguised as a matter of "opinion" are actually not opinions but ignorance on the matter.

In your opinion you do not like the MCU and I am not about to change that because that is your opinion, so stop putting made up shit on my plate. I must have said it at least 10 times now that I don't care about whether or not you like the MCU.

Cut the bullshit just because I'm telling you some facts are made out wrong on your end.

I want to add that, I am not even a very big fan of superhero movies. I enjoy them for what they are. But then I don't really see where deeper films are so much better, just because they have some political or personal message in them. To me, I see all of it as entertainment, and I think it's a bit stuffed for these old directors to think that what they put out was so great and untouchable, and so far ahead of today's popular films.

I kind of keep using Joker as an example, ironically enough, of a popular movie being applauded because it has some message. I think Joaquin Phoenix was alright in it, and I think what made the movie for me was how he studied mental illness and applied it to the character. It had some good moments, it was good entertainment. But do I think it deserves to be labeled as the best movie of the year? Not one bit.

The movie I enjoyed most that I went to see this year, most people are polarized about, and the people who did like it can't seem to agree on what made it good. But I enjoyed it more than everything else I watched in 2019.

No it's opinion. They are entitled to theirs.

And you either aren't reading posts correctly or you're not reading mine. I said I like the MCU movies. I've seen the all. I have some on Blu Ray. If you want to make points you need to at least pay attention to the discussion.

That's because by this point we have already circled around the same arguments several times, and steadily my loss of interest in these threads prevail. I'm only responding back and forth at this point because we keep responding back and forth.

I am not singling you out but rather a group of individuals here. And you can like Marvel movies as much as you can dislike them, no problem from me.

My problem is over the course the several threads we've engaged in over this topic, is some false-facts are being hidden as an opinion.

In my opinion I can believe you are fat and lazy - but in reality the fact might actually be you are very fit because you go to the gym. See that? Making an opinion on a matter of fact does not change that fact. If in my opinion, you are fat - is not true - standing by my opinion is not a matter of opinion but ignorance.

With that said: cinema is not a genre. In your opinion, you can say it is one - but it is not. Just because you have an opinion does not change a fact.

Furthermore: there's great irony in the sense some of the 'elitists' here valuing their rights to having an opinion yet they take these director's words as if they're facts. No they're not.

Francis Ford Coppola saying Marvel movies are despicable is not a fact but his opinion. No matter how prolific this director might have been - that voice is still an opinion and he does not get to decide what is cinema and not. Coppola is entitled to an opinion no matter how bitter he is about it.

Same goes with Scorsese. I think his words have been misinterpreted. Saying the MCU is "not cinema" is a false statement. In his opinion he might not like the movies, but he also gave a false statement.

That's my biggest problem here, the confusion between fact and opinion.

Please explain how the MCU is bad for society. I can see not liking the movies or even thinking they're total shit, but bad for society is just laughable.

@heathen75:

Agreed, they aren't bad for society. For us long-time Marvel comic fans this has been great fun. It isn't Marvel's fault there aren't many good movies anymore outside the Marvel universe.

But I cannot speak too harshly about Coppola, his first 2 Godfather movies are indisputable masterpieces, in my Top 5 movies ever. He was just too old for Marvel comics even in 1961.

I agree with you. Some of them are very action oriented and less story driven, but others do have some interesting areas of character development or story telling. Take Logan, I thought that delved deeply into the characters and dealt with some impressive conflicts. The characters had superpowers, but they were very human in their faults and it was a thoughtful juxtaposition of the two. Professor X suffering from alzheimer's disease was pretty powerful stuff. Logan's entire arc in that movie was captivating.

To be fair, they do seem to be focusing on the MCU in particular and not superhero movies in general. I haven't heard either of them joining in on, say, the anti-Joker backlash. And I think there might be a more valid criticism there, that where other superhero movies can play with genres like Logan and Joker did, the MCU pretty much mandates their films be action ones. Now, one thing I like about the MCU is how they manage to fit other genres like political thriller (Winter Soldier), heist (Ant-Man), and buddy comedy (Ragnarok) into the action movie formula, but I can still see how if you don't want to make a typical action movie you wouldn't like the MCU. Joker, for instance, would probably never fly in the MCU. I do think it's interesting, though, that they never spoke up like this when Logan was tearing up the box office, or when the Dark Knight trilogy was all the rage, or when Avatar was killing it at the box office, or when Return of the King won best picture. In fact, most of the highest grossing movies since 2000 have been sci-fi or fantasy action movies, but it's only Marvel movies that are destroying cinema as we know it?

That's my childhood they're putting on those screens. I feel like 12 year old Heathen again when I watch Marvel movies.

If these guys need someone to blame for their movies not doing as well anymore, they need to take it up with the theaters. If it wasn't for Marvel movies, I wouldn't even bother with theaters anymore but my son likes the theater experience and I like the day out with my son. For the price of 2 movie tickets you could own the blu-ray. Not to mention the other $40 you save on their overpriced snacks. Most people look at a trip to the movies as a family day out now. Marvel movies are perfect for a family day. Gangster movies, not so much. I honestly look forward to the demise of theaters. Let all movies stream or go straight to home disc.

There is a reason Marvel films are popular. Art is subjective. I enjoy comic books and publish my own. https://mobile.twitter.com/emersoncole8

He's a hack, who cares what he thinks?

Just a question,what has FFC done himself lately???? It really is a serious question,I know nothing about modern day movies. I pretty much stopped watching movies/tv years before.

Nothing. He's semi-retired, eighty years old. But he's been talking some years about Megalopolis, some kind of epic.