Does it worry you the GOP will sabotage the US to kick Obama out of office?

We've seen it again and again GOP polititians on a platform of a single minded goal. Kicking obama out of office. How far will they go? Personally I believe the only way to kick obama out of office is to further the ressesion. Do you think the GOP will attempt to go that far? Will they hurt their own voters to push their party foward?

Personally I try to be bipartisian, but it's hard when a party acts like this. I'm sure many GOP politicians wish the best for this country, but why aren't they speaking up against the hurtful actions of those in their party. It's like they're more loyal to their party than their country. Until members of the GOP start standing up for this country I'm done with their party.

Sensibility will prevail; Democrats will win

The people want Change; not the same old mantra of the republicans

I dont like any of the parties.

They would all sell out for a peice of the pie.

I dont like any of the parties.

They would all sell out for a peice of the pie.

Kcube

Unfortunately, this sounds about right.

Truth prevails, Sensibility will win; Democrats will Prevail, Democrats will win

The people want Change, Change they can believe; not the same old mantra of the republicans

DivergeUnify

No, I was worried about that for the first two years when the Republicans decided to set a record number of fillibusters. Now I'm more worried that President Obama is going to read too far into an election where voters said they were disappointed with the lack of progress coming from Washington and give in so much that he drives off his base.

[QUOTE="Kcube"]

I dont like any of the parties.

They would all sell out for a peice of the pie.

Zilch90

Unfortunately, this sounds about right.

No, I was worried about that for the first two years when the Republicans decided to set a record number of fillibusters. Now I'm more worried that President Obama is going to read too far into an election where voters said they were disappointed with the lack of progress coming from Washington and give in so much that he drives off his base.

theone86

Personally I believe the only way to kick obama out of office is to further the ressesion. Do you think the GOP will attempt to go that far?

jrhawk42

How will they accomplish this?

[QUOTE="jrhawk42"]

Personally I believe the only way to kick obama out of office is to further the ressesion. Do you think the GOP will attempt to go that far?

Palantas

How will they accomplish this?

And how exactly would they kick him out of office?

Obama doesn't need the help. He'd doing a bang-up job of making himself look horrible.

i thought it was good to sabotage a bad thing, and since the gop does not have the manpower to push their agendia they are also crippled, sadly too much damage has alredy beend done to the country it is too late to just have a stalled gov.surrealnumber5

"When you have politicians stirring the pot and turning up the heat on people's emotions and fear levels, you don't have a constructive debate on what to do," "Facts matter, but only to a point," "Because it is what citizens believe that defines the debate and sets the agenda in Washington. We can't be tone deaf to what the public believes."

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i thought it was good to sabotage a bad thing, and since the gop does not have the manpower to push their agendia they are also crippled, sadly too much damage has alredy beend done to the country it is too late to just have a stalled gov.teknic1200

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i thought it was good to sabotage a bad thing, and since the gop does not have the manpower to push their agendia they are also crippled, sadly too much damage has alredy beend done to the country it is too late to just have a stalled gov.teknic1200

[QUOTE="teknic1200"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i thought it was good to sabotage a bad thing, and since the gop does not have the manpower to push their agendia they are also crippled, sadly too much damage has alredy beend done to the country it is too late to just have a stalled gov.surrealnumber5

What entitlement plan did he add?

Pfft. The way Obama's working it the GOP won't have to get him out of office, he'll do it just fine himself.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="teknic1200"] yeah, and that damage peaked in 2008. to think otherwise is insane.worlock77

What entitlement plan did he add?

Pfft. The way Obama's working it the GOP won't have to get him out of office, he'll do it just fine himself.

BATTOSAI76

actually considering that we have seen the House vote on all of four things so far (been over a month now) none of which involved jobs with the exception of healthcare repeal which would kill quite a few jobs (has no shot of happening thogh so whatever) and three of them failed no I'm not that worried. Right now their main guy in power really kind of sucks at his job. Or so it would seem.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i thought it was good to sabotage a bad thing, and since the gop does not have the manpower to push their agendia they are also crippled, sadly too much damage has alredy beend done to the country it is too late to just have a stalled gov.teknic1200

actually considering that we have seen the House vote on all of four things so far (been over a month now) none of which involved jobs with the exception of healthcare repeal which would kill quite a few jobs (has no shot of happening thogh so whatever) and three of them failed no I'm not that worried. Right now their main guy in power really kind of sucks at his job. Or so it would seem.

Serraph105

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] it is at its current height after continual accumulation of trash since the hoover administration, with few in that time till now who actually detracted from that pile, and no obama is not one of those few, hell he added a new entitlement plan...surrealnumber5

What entitlement plan did he add?

In what way is health care reform an entitlement plan? Well, I guess you could consider the health care mandate an entitlement for the insurance companies.

actually considering that we have seen the House vote on all of four things so far (been over a month now) none of which involved jobs with the exception of healthcare repeal which would kill quite a few jobs (has no shot of happening thogh so whatever) and three of them failed no I'm not that worried. Right now their main guy in power really kind of sucks at his job. Or so it would seem.

Serraph105

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

Pfft. The way Obama's working it the GOP won't have to get him out of office, he'll do it just fine himself.

TheColbert

I don't see a guy who goes one vacation every two months during an economic recession as very money smart, and that worries me a little considering he's the president and all. As far as likable goes, to me he doesn't seem to have the country's best interests in mind as much as his own and his parties, so I can't say I like him all that much, but in all seriousness he has not delivered any of the hope and change gusto the he sad he was during the election.

[QUOTE="TheColbert"][QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

Pfft. The way Obama's working it the GOP won't have to get him out of office, he'll do it just fine himself.

BATTOSAI76

I don't see a guy who goes one vacation every two months during an economic recession as very money smart, and that worries me a little considering he's the president and all. As far as likable goes, to me he doesn't seem to have the country's best interests in mind as much as his own and his parties, so I can't say I like him all that much, but in all seriousness he has not delivered any of the hope and change gusto the he sad he was during the election.

Bush spent more vation time than any President in history. Besides, the President is never truely on vacation. No matter where he goes he's always got a virtual moble Oval Office around him.

All of the "Hope and Change" stuff was really so rediculous from the start. Of course EVERYONE wanted change in one form or another. But without saying exactly what the Change was, some (idiotic) people just assumed he meant the kind of change that THEY wanted. To that end, it's as if he was making promises to EVERYONE, so now EVERYONE has reason to be dissappointed. (I said has reason to be disappointed, not that everyone necessarily is).

We've seen it again and again GOP polititians on a platform of a single minded goal. Kicking obama out of office. How far will they go? Personally I believe the only way to kick obama out of office is to further the ressesion. Do you think the GOP will attempt to go that far? Will they hurt their own voters to push their party foward?

Personally I try to be bipartisian, but it's hard when a party acts like this. I'm sure many GOP politicians wish the best for this country, but why aren't they speaking up against the hurtful actions of those in their party. It's like they're more loyal to their party than their country. Until members of the GOP start standing up for this country I'm done with their party.

All of the "Hope and Change" stuff was really so rediculous from the start. Of course EVERYONE wanted change in one form or another. But without saying exactly what the Change was, some (idiotic) people just assumed he meant the kind of change that THEY wanted. To that end, it's as if he was making promises to EVERYONE, so now EVERYONE has reason to be dissappointed. (I said has reason to be disappointed, not that everyone necessarily is).

YellowOneKinobi

Actually on his campaign he gave the most detailed, indepth layouts of what he planned to do while in office. McCain's platform, on the other hand, consisted of "maverick".

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

This. He may be one of the most likeable presidents we have ever had but his tenure so far has been awful. TheColbert

I don't see a guy who goes one vacation every two months during an economic recession as very money smart, and that worries me a little considering he's the president and all. As far as likable goes, to me he doesn't seem to have the country's best interests in mind as much as his own and his parties, so I can't say I like him all that much, but in all seriousness he has not delivered any of the hope and change gusto the he sad he was during the election.

Bush spent more vation time than any President in history. Besides, the President is never truely on vacation. No matter where he goes he's always got a virtual moble Oval Office around him.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

All of the "Hope and Change" stuff was really so rediculous from the start. Of course EVERYONE wanted change in one form or another. But without saying exactly what the Change was, some (idiotic) people just assumed he meant the kind of change that THEY wanted. To that end, it's as if he was making promises to EVERYONE, so now EVERYONE has reason to be dissappointed. (I said has reason to be disappointed, not that everyone necessarily is).

Actually on his campaign he gave the most detailed, indepth layouts of what he planned to do while in office. McCain's platform, on the other hand, consisted of "maverick".

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

What entitlement plan did he add?

worlock77

In what way is health care reform an entitlement plan? Well, I guess you could consider the health care mandate an entitlement for the insurance companies.

Your talking to a hardcore libertarian.. Anything outside military is considered a entitlement in his eyes.

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

[QUOTE="TheColbert"] This. He may be one of the most likeable presidents we have ever had but his tenure so far has been awful. worlock77

I don't see a guy who goes one vacation every two months during an economic recession as very money smart, and that worries me a little considering he's the president and all. As far as likable goes, to me he doesn't seem to have the country's best interests in mind as much as his own and his parties, so I can't say I like him all that much, but in all seriousness he has not delivered any of the hope and change gusto the he sad he was during the election.

Bush spent more vation time than any President in history. Besides, the President is never truely on vacation. No matter where he goes he's always got a virtual moble Oval Office around him.

Hey I didn't say Bush was the best around, but I liked him better then Obama. The thing I liked about Bush was his response to the terrorists, Obama wanting to pull the troops out just seems like a bad idea do to the fact that they had no problem blowing the hell out of us ten years ago and have been trying ever since. Obama is making America out to be a push over, and we're not we don't take crap.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

I don't see a guy who goes one vacation every two months during an economic recession as very money smart, and that worries me a little considering he's the president and all. As far as likable goes, to me he doesn't seem to have the country's best interests in mind as much as his own and his parties, so I can't say I like him all that much, but in all seriousness he has not delivered any of the hope and change gusto the he sad he was during the election.

BATTOSAI76

Bush spent more vation time than any President in history. Besides, the President is never truely on vacation. No matter where he goes he's always got a virtual moble Oval Office around him.

Hey I didn't say Bush was the best around, but I liked him better then Obama. The thing I liked about Bush was his response to the terrorists, Obama wanting to pull the troops out just seems like a bad idea do to the fact that they had no problem blowing the hell out of us ten years ago and have been trying ever since. Obama is making America out to be a push over, and we're not we don't take crap.

Yeah because you know torturing people and holding them with out a trial for years on end was a good thing.. Push over? There is no purpose of being over there.. The invasion of Iraq did more direct damage to the United States than anything AQ has ever done.. Is that a logical response?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

I don't see a guy who goes one vacation every two months during an economic recession as very money smart, and that worries me a little considering he's the president and all. As far as likable goes, to me he doesn't seem to have the country's best interests in mind as much as his own and his parties, so I can't say I like him all that much, but in all seriousness he has not delivered any of the hope and change gusto the he sad he was during the election.

jshaas

Bush spent more vation time than any President in history. Besides, the President is never truely on vacation. No matter where he goes he's always got a virtual moble Oval Office around him.

No I can't, and nor do I care to. It's completely beside the point. The point that the President is never out of the office, even if he's sitting on a beach in Jamaica. He always has everything he needs to do his job with him. As far as I'm aware there's no obligation for the President to even set foot in the White House at anytime during his tenure. It's provided for the convenience and pleasure of him and his family, but he does not have to reside there. Bush spent a significant portion of his tenure at his Texas ranch. Likewise Obama could choose to stay at his home in Chicago if he wished. The vacation argument was a stupid criticism of Bush, and it's a stupid criticism of Obama.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

I don't see a guy who goes one vacation every two months during an economic recession as very money smart, and that worries me a little considering he's the president and all. As far as likable goes, to me he doesn't seem to have the country's best interests in mind as much as his own and his parties, so I can't say I like him all that much, but in all seriousness he has not delivered any of the hope and change gusto the he sad he was during the election.

BATTOSAI76

Bush spent more vation time than any President in history. Besides, the President is never truely on vacation. No matter where he goes he's always got a virtual moble Oval Office around him.

Hey I didn't say Bush was the best around, but I liked him better then Obama. The thing I liked about Bush was his response to the terrorists, Obama wanting to pull the troops out just seems like a bad idea do to the fact that they had no problem blowing the hell out of us ten years ago and have been trying ever since. Obama is making America out to be a push over, and we're not we don't take crap.

If you're referring to the withdrawl from Iraq you do realize that was signed under Bush right?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

a new plan for entitlements is how i meant that to read, his health care "reform" i did not intend it to read as if he created SS2 surrealnumber5

In what way is health care reform an entitlement plan? Well, I guess you could consider the health care mandate an entitlement for the insurance companies.

Your talking to a hardcore libertarian.. Anything outside military is considered a entitlement in his eyes.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

actually considering that we have seen the House vote on all of four things so far (been over a month now) none of which involved jobs with the exception of healthcare repeal which would kill quite a few jobs (has no shot of happening thogh so whatever) and three of them failed no I'm not that worried. Right now their main guy in power really kind of sucks at his job. Or so it would seem.

YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Bush spent more vation time than any President in history. Besides, the President is never truely on vacation. No matter where he goes he's always got a virtual moble Oval Office around him.

sSubZerOo

Hey I didn't say Bush was the best around, but I liked him better then Obama. The thing I liked about Bush was his response to the terrorists, Obama wanting to pull the troops out just seems like a bad idea do to the fact that they had no problem blowing the hell out of us ten years ago and have been trying ever since. Obama is making America out to be a push over, and we're not we don't take crap.

Yeah because you know torturing people and holding them with out a trial for years on end was a good thing.. Push over? There is no purpose of being over there.. The invasion of Iraq did more direct damage to the United States than anything AQ has ever done.. Is that a logical response?

I think you forgot about the thousands of people who burned alive in those two towers, ya know the ones that aren't there any more because some dude had the idea to blow them up, yeah he's out there hiding in some shack laughing his ass of because he got away with it!

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

In what way is health care reform an entitlement plan? Well, I guess you could consider the health care mandate an entitlement for the insurance companies.

surrealnumber5

Your talking to a hardcore libertarian.. Anything outside military is considered a entitlement in his eyes.

I learned to not argue with you long ago since you stated you think the economy should have no regulation to it what so ever.. That there was no middle ground.. Its either unregulated and "free" or regulated and a communism.

actually considering that we have seen the House vote on all of four things so far (been over a month now) none of which involved jobs with the exception of healthcare repeal which would kill quite a few jobs (has no shot of happening thogh so whatever) and three of them failed no I'm not that worried. Right now their main guy in power really kind of sucks at his job. Or so it would seem.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

Hey I didn't say Bush was the best around, but I liked him better then Obama. The thing I liked about Bush was his response to the terrorists, Obama wanting to pull the troops out just seems like a bad idea do to the fact that they had no problem blowing the hell out of us ten years ago and have been trying ever since. Obama is making America out to be a push over, and we're not we don't take crap.

BATTOSAI76

Yeah because you know torturing people and holding them with out a trial for years on end was a good thing.. Push over? There is no purpose of being over there.. The invasion of Iraq did more direct damage to the United States than anything AQ has ever done.. Is that a logical response?

I think you forgot about the thousands of people who burned alive in those two towers, ya know the ones that aren't there any more because some dude had the idea to blow them up, yeah he's out there hiding in some shack laughing his ass of because he got away with it!

I see so we have a vendetta now against brown people? So we invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? That makes great sense.... Furthermore who cares what the other side is thinking.. If these guys are willing to blow themselves up, its not going to matter what we do.. The statistical chances of getting killed by a terrorist in the last two decades is less than the chances of getting struck by lightening or killed in a car crash YEARLY. The governments job should be about prevention and possibly finding the ones who perpatrated this.. But trying to go after it with a conventional war is a waste, and it doesn't solve the problem what so ever.. And just because that tragic event happened, doesn't excuse to begin torturing people (many being innocent we later find out) and hold others for years on with no formal charges being leveled against him.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

Hey I didn't say Bush was the best around, but I liked him better then Obama. The thing I liked about Bush was his response to the terrorists, Obama wanting to pull the troops out just seems like a bad idea do to the fact that they had no problem blowing the hell out of us ten years ago and have been trying ever since. Obama is making America out to be a push over, and we're not we don't take crap.

BATTOSAI76

Yeah because you know torturing people and holding them with out a trial for years on end was a good thing.. Push over? There is no purpose of being over there.. The invasion of Iraq did more direct damage to the United States than anything AQ has ever done.. Is that a logical response?

I think you forgot about the thousands of people who burned alive in those two towers, ya know the ones that aren't there any more because some dude had the idea to blow them up, yeah he's out there hiding in some shack laughing his ass of because he got away with it!

Yeah, he got away with it because instead of persuing him he got distracted with another country that had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

I don't see a guy who goes one vacation every two months during an economic recession as very money smart, and that worries me a little considering he's the president and all. As far as likable goes, to me he doesn't seem to have the country's best interests in mind as much as his own and his parties, so I can't say I like him all that much, but in all seriousness he has not delivered any of the hope and change gusto the he sad he was during the election.

Bush spent more vation time than any President in history. Besides, the President is never truely on vacation. No matter where he goes he's always got a virtual moble Oval Office around him.

Hey I didn't say Bush was the best around, but I liked him better then Obama. The thing I liked about Bush was his response to the terrorists, Obama wanting to pull the troops out just seems like a bad idea do to the fact that they had no problem blowing the hell out of us ten years ago and have been trying ever since. Obama is making America out to be a push over, and we're not we don't take crap.

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Yeah because you know torturing people and holding them with out a trial for years on end was a good thing.. Push over? There is no purpose of being over there.. The invasion of Iraq did more direct damage to the United States than anything AQ has ever done.. Is that a logical response?

sSubZerOo

I think you forgot about the thousands of people who burned alive in those two towers, ya know the ones that aren't there any more because some dude had the idea to blow them up, yeah he's out there hiding in some shack laughing his ass of because he got away with it!

I see so we have a vendetta now against brown people? So we invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? That makes great sense.... Furthermore who cares what the other side is thinking.. If these guys are willing to blow themselves up, its not going to matter what we do.. The statistical chances of getting killed by a terrorist in the last two decades is less than the chances of getting struck by lightening or killed in a car crash YEARLY. The governments job should be about prevention and possibly finding the ones who perpatrated this.. But trying to go after it with a conventional war is a waste, and it doesn't solve the problem what so ever.. And just because that tragic event happened, doesn't excuse to begin torturing people (many being innocent we later find out) and hold others for years on with no formal charges being leveled against him.

How dare you suggest this is racial!!! I just don't like seeing people get away with murder!!!

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] Get your fact correct please. Obamacare will kill 800,000 jobs (per CBO). Source: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obamacare-cost-us-800000-jobs-over-n YellowOneKinobi

well if he does then he will effectively avoid having his healthcare bill "kill" 800,000 jobs then won't he?

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

well if he does then he will effectively avoid having his healthcare bill "kill" 800,000 jobs then won't he?

Serraph105

Nope, he'll just squeeze even MORE out of the American people to satisfy his own desires.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

well if he does then he will effectively avoid having his healthcare bill "kill" 800,000 jobs then won't he?

YellowOneKinobi

Nope, he'll just squeeze even MORE out of the American people to satisfy his own desires.

and now you sound like a conspiracy theorist.

Personally I don't believe he will go through with trying to raise the retirement age. I think that will have too many consequences for any politician for them to actually go after.