Does God exist?

@kathaariancode: I do need proof. I have it through conversation with the Father. His voice is what is needed.

@nod_calypse: Right... 👍

@kathaariancode: I just don't understand the need for sarcasm in this case. But anyway, love you, dude. Have a good day.

Fvck you, god.

@kathaariancode: It's not sarcasm, it's just pointless to continue the conversation.

This thread should be renamed to 'Logical Fallacies'.

@statisticalpc: And perhaps you could recount the Apocrypha.

You just replied to yourself, but....

So,

was no sarcasm, and you are in fact agreeing with me that the Father's voice is what is needed?

That's really disgusting.

@nod_calypse: Why would I want to do that?

Because it's separated, like you.

Little sacramental humor, pardon me.

@nod_calypse: What am I separated from?

Do you have the Holy Spirit inside of you?

100%

We need to stop presuming god is Santa Claus.

You're on a roll.

@nod_calypse: No. How does one have the 'holy spirit' inside of them?

Okay. That is what I meant. You are separated from the Holy Spirit.

To receive the Holy Spirit, you must, with all your heart and soul, accept Yeshua, or as you might know him, Jesus Christ, as your Lord and Savior. God then seals you with the Holy Spirit. The Spirit will literally enter you, and you will feel it.

Ephesians 1:12-14, among other places in the Bible, states it:

¹² That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

¹³ In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

¹⁴ Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

@nod_calypse: why would I accept 'god' without proof of it's existence?

The way God works, in my experience, and that of many, many others, is that you need to reach out to Him to know of His existence. Listen, I used to be an enemy of God. Much of my life was wrapped up in occultism. I literally hated God, and spared no opportunity to profess as much.

Then, things happened to me that compelled me to talk to Him, or at least try. I prayed. I had no idea what I was doing. I just did it. Closed my eyes, asked if He was there. I kept doing this, and after a while, I received a response. I felt His presence, heard His voice. I can go into my testimony if you wish. It involves sleep paralysis, and Jesus curing me of that. When the Holy Spirit enters, you KNOW it. From that moment forward, you know that God exists.

Here's another verse, if interested, involving the entrance of Holy Spirit:

John 3:16-18

¹⁶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

¹⁷ For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

¹⁸ He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

@nod_calypse: I'm going to sum up everything you just said into "you just have to believe" and "you need to feel him" and both ideas are total cop outs.

@statisticalpc: Well, of course you would say that. You don't have the Spirit. Couldn't be more predictable.

But, my friend, there is a reason you asked how to receive the Holy Spirit in the first place. Part of you really, really wants to know.

Listen to that part of you.

If god can just exist/start out of nothing, why not the universe itself? That's just special pleading fallacy.

@nod_calypse: What's predictable is that you, like others, cannot offer any proof of gods existence and you resort to fallacies such as circular reasoning.

@statisticalpc: Keep telling yourself that.

Remember, you came to me with the question of how to receive the Holy Spirit. Something inside of you yearns for it, whether you like it or not.

@nod_calypse: Nice try.

The question was asked in an attempt to get you to justify your position on the christian gods existence.

I don't need to tell myself anything. It is a fact that christians use circular reasoning to attempt to prove their gods existence.

@statisticalpc: Nope. You asked because you wanted to know.

I look forward to seeing you on that Day, brother.

@nod_calypse: If thinking that makes you feel better, more power to you

if god exits, he's doing one hell of a job at concealing himself...

@statisticalpc: It really does, because it's the truth. The truth always makes me feel better.

Love you, dude. Peace be with you.

so god is a force acting on an aggregation of the electrical impulses on your neurons giving the impression you are talking to another being rather than yourself?

Beliefs can be treacherous. Don't like those. They always turn out inadequate or plain wrong. Why not keep an open mind instead? It could prove much more fruitful to exercise faith, as a behaviour, without treading its ossified remains.

Does anything exist? Can we prove we aren't a void of nothingness? Does time exist? Did the big bang being proven actually prove anything? Can religion and evolution explain fossil records? Does carbon dating work? Are we a simulation? AI? Lab rats? Why do religious texts conflict so much but mainly push similar messages with times, places, names, and dates replaced? Are religious texts just a primitive set of laws of decency? Who knows... (no one has the answer until it's too late to tell anyone else)

All I know is that I choose to be the type of person I would like others to be towards me even if they never are. An asshole is born every minute and there is no need to add to the endless pile of those worthless people.

An eye for an eye and helping others in their times of need to survive together is the meaning of life. Everything else will sort itself out after death.

I'm not sure if a God/s exists like in text and legend, but even if I'm not down on my knees praying every day I feel if you do stand tall in front of the man when it's all said and done at least i'll have a fighting chance with my resume. If not... well, let's just hope that since nothing is an impossibility that we are manifested into something else more in line with reincarnation.

I personally feel there is more, what that more is... I don't know.

Given the undeniable proof of the truth is only granted upon death and neither side of the argument will know for sure if ever until that time comes. Until then I'll live my life to the fullest and try to be the most generous, unselfish, understanding, caring person I can be. Everyone makes mistakes, and If it's not enough... well, I'm sorry, I guess that's just the way I was created right? You can't have it both ways.

Could there be a god? Possibly.

Does the pantheons of any of the existing religions hold any credibility as far as I am concerned? Absolutely not.

Yeah, the burden on proof is on them and not on us. If they cannot demonstrate the evidence to me. And instead rely on confirmation bias to "prove" god. I can not take their claims seriously at all.

And BrokenRabbit is 100% correct in this thread. We know exactly how this god character originated. Our knowledge of how the abrahamic religions originated, is pretty compelling evidence about this god character, and the rest of the mythos being made up. Although some parts may be inspired by historical incidents.

Untrue. God wants you to seek him. The proof is in the seeking. Or rather, the proof will be shown to you, if your heart is pure. He structured the human condition in this manner, so that we might individually find the reality of His existence.

As for everything else, there is no surprise the Father is written about through the ages. Individuals across eons have experienced moments of inspiration, peered through windows looking into the divine. Nor is there any surprise in seeds of truth being scattered throughout the writings of the ages. It is the gathering of the seeds that matters. The Bible is the gathering of truth into one place. Jesus is the living Word.

But, I suppose, the only thing to really say is that, in the end, we shall see who is right. Or rather, you will see.

I already know.

In other words, your claims are unfalsifiable. Since you can now assume that anyone who tries, and finds nothing, just doesnt have a pure heart or whatever.

No. I am not saying I have the answer. I am nothing.

I am saying Jesus Christ has the answer, and if you reach out to him, he will show you the truth.

Do you deny Christ? Please think--very hard--before you answer this.

I am doing none of the above. Rather, you're trying to fit any argument into the model of 'I know this person", quote, "And I'm not kidding you when I say it feels as though I come across the same person, time and again".

What we get in the history of Yahweh is not one piece revealed after the other, but rather multiple instance of both assimilation and transformation. It's not really about the years scattered between events, but the slow modeling and pruning from multiple sources of a new character from an old.

It follows the same construction arc as any other mythos.

Also, mustard seeds aren't the smallest and they aren't trees.

Incorrect, utterly.

Yes, you are like many others whose arguments are bound by time, and collapse in the name of time. You'll just have to deal with that truth.

Throughout history the Father has been written about. Moments of inspiration, pieces of the ultimate picture; and many, many fallacies along the way. The Bible is the gathering of the truth into one place. Yeshua Hamashiach is the living Word. YHWH is the one and true God.

You have fallen for misdirection, the MO of Saturn.

And you're even criticizing mustard seeds, which is comical.

I'll say, again:

The Bible was written by many authors over more than 2000 years. St. Jerome, 400 AD, give or take. There, you have an assembling, 39 and 27, latin. The Vulgate. St. Jerome was hardly the first, however. He translated and compiled into a single volume.

Which takes us to...

The Hebrew Bible. Moses and his five books. Centuries of prophets and leaders. By the time of Jesus, the 39 books were of course the Scriptures, quote unquote. The early church was formed. Matthew wrote his historical records. Life and ministry; the Gospels. Paul and Peter sought to establish direction. Then, you have the letters, scattered throughout congregations in differing regions. The Epistles.

After the church formed, hundreds of books and letters appeared, explaining who Christ is, what he did, how to follow him. The problem was, there was no clear indication of which letter, which book to follow, and which to shun.

God put people in place, scattered throughout history. Council of Nicea in A.D. 325, the First Council of Constantinople in A.D. 381. Accounts taken into account based upon disciple status, witnesses to the ministry, such as Peter; interviewers of witnesses, such as Luke, etc. Writings from 1st century, AD. Consistent portions, devoid of contradictions from trusted elements of scripture. Councils upon councils, debating, weeding out. Taking guidance from Peter, Paul, Matthew, John, etc.

And then you have Christ himself, his words. Truth.

In a nutshell, my man, you are drinking from beverages comprised of oil and water.

Explain Yahweh and his Asherah. The Jews were polytheistic until King Josiah. Asherah was even in the Holy of Holies with Yahweh. What do you think King Josiah removed and burned?

It's a story. It's been expanded and embellished. We have much earlier records of those stories (i.e. Gilgamesh). You're asking us to ignore the obvious in favor of the fantastic.

lol

You've blinded yourself with reverence. That's not a mentally healthy state.

Useless clutching to fallacies accompanying spots of insight across history.

Again, refer to my previous explanation:

Incorrect, utterly.

Yes, you are like many others whose arguments are bound by time, and collapse in the name of time. You'll just have to deal with that truth.

Throughout history the Father has been written about. Moments of inspiration, pieces of the ultimate picture; and many, many fallacies along the way. The Bible is the gathering of the truth into one place. Yeshua Hamashiach is the living Word. YHWH is the one and true God.

You have fallen for misdirection, the MO of Saturn.

And you're even criticizing mustard seeds, which is comical.

I'll say, again:

The Bible was written by many authors over more than 2000 years. St. Jerome, 400 AD, give or take. There, you have an assembling, 39 and 27, latin. The Vulgate. St. Jerome was hardly the first, however. He translated and compiled into a single volume.

Which takes us to...

The Hebrew Bible. Moses and his five books. Centuries of prophets and leaders. By the time of Jesus, the 39 books were of course the Scriptures, quote unquote. The early church was formed. Matthew wrote his historical records. Life and ministry; the Gospels. Paul and Peter sought to establish direction. Then, you have the letters, scattered throughout congregations in differing regions. The Epistles.

After the church formed, hundreds of books and letters appeared, explaining who Christ is, what he did, how to follow him. The problem was, there was no clear indication of which letter, which book to follow, and which to shun.

God put people in place, scattered throughout history. Council of Nicea in A.D. 325, the First Council of Constantinople in A.D. 381. Accounts taken into account based upon disciple status, witnesses to the ministry, such as Peter; interviewers of witnesses, such as Luke, etc. Writings from 1st century, AD. Consistent portions, devoid of contradictions from trusted elements of scripture. Councils upon councils, debating, weeding out. Taking guidance from Peter, Paul, Matthew, John, etc.

And then you have Christ himself, his words. Truth.

In a nutshell, my man, you are drinking from beverages comprised of oil and water.

Yes. We wouldn’t be here if he didn’t.

Yes indeed.

Haven't seen any scientific evidence to suggest a "god" exists, no.

@nod_calypse: I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing. If a schizoid tells me he's been having long conversations with his fridge I won't argue for or against it. Mental health is something I prefer not to engage with, it's way beyond my intentions here. All I can say is I wish you all the best.

My "Right 👍" was just me opening a door and immediately closing it.

Lol, no. It was sarcasm, you got called on it, then denied the sarcasm. Now you're turning this into a mental health issue. For some reason.

And here you are, opening the door again, lol.

One question, if you wish to answer. If not, no problem.

Do you deny that Jesus Christ is the son of God?

@nod_calypse: It wasn't sarcasm but you're free to pass judgement. It's irrelevant.

Jesus was a dude that probably existed and was as much the son of god as any other human. If you're being literal, then that's the same as asking my opinion regarding the tooth fairy. I'm simply not equipped to have that conversation with an adult person.

Nope, zero judgment passed. Just observing the truth. It was sarcasm, otherwise it would have to be serious, and you were agreeing with me, which you admit it was not.

Aside from that, it's a yes or no question.

Is Jesus Christ the son of God?

Yes or no.