Barack Obama's presidency in 12 images

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] I'm fairly confident nobody can be this out of touch with reality. It's like you believe the other 50% of the country is going to come to the epiphany that being progressive is irrational, and we should all hop on a conservative bandwagon.UCF_Knight

Your idea of "progressive" is interesting to say the least.   

I don't agree with the idea that the republicans will have easy victories.  I doubt they will have many victories at all.  The idiots in this country seem to like the collectivist message that Obama spreads.  

Are we not the same hart? If you cut the both of us, do we not both bleed red blood? If so then tell me why is it that we as not just a nation, but a species can't unite to create a better future for us all?

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Obama did well with first time voters because they were naive, but after 8 years of him they will not be so eager to support another democratic candidate.Laihendi

That is about the silliest take on the 2012 election I've heard. Almost trolling.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]not sure why people are upset about dronessonicare

Are we not the same hart? If you cut the both of us, do we not both bleed red blood? If so then tell me why is it that we as not just a nation, but a species can't unite to create a better future for us all?

Yusuke420

Define "better future."

I don't agree with the idea that the republicans will have easy victories.  I doubt they will have many victories at all.  The idiots in this country seem to like the collectivist message that Obama spreads.  hartsickdiscipl

idk why people's panties are disproportionately knotted by drones

i mean, the fact that an airstrike killed 20+ civilians isn't somehow any worse b/c it was done without the pilot being physically inside the aircraft

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The issue isn't with the drones per se, but with the profound secrecy that surrounds the CIA drone program. The agency to this day still doesn't even formally acknowledge said program's existence. Abbeten

my thoughts

idk why people's panties are disproportionately knotted by dronescoolbeans90

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]I don't agree with the idea that the republicans will have easy victories.  I doubt they will have many victories at all.  The idiots in this country seem to like the collectivist message that Obama spreads.  UCF_Knight

We agree on that too.  The reason I identify more with the right is that they seem to support personal accountability more than the left.  That's pretty much the key to a healthy society, IMO.  

If the right doesn't like what you stand for, they won't go out of their way to help you make it legal.  If the left doesn't like it, they'll do whatever they can to make it illegal.  They seem to like to punish the whole class for what a few bad kids do.  That is and always has been wrong.  It's the difference between passive and direct oppression.  While there are morally bankrupt people on both sides of the left/right war, I find that the basic tenets of the right are more in line with my conscience.  There is of course, no perfect human solution.  

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Are we not the same hart? If you cut the both of us, do we not both bleed red blood? If so then tell me why is it that we as not just a nation, but a species can't unite to create a better future for us all?

hartsickdiscipl

Define "better future."

not sure why people are upset about dronesAbbeten

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Are we not the same hart? If you cut the both of us, do we not both bleed red blood? If so then tell me why is it that we as not just a nation, but a species can't unite to create a better future for us all?

Yusuke420

Define "better future."

Ending world hunger and poverty would be great.  Let's focus on ending poverty in our own country first.  

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Define "better future."

hartsickdiscipl

Ending world hunger and poverty would be great.  Let's focus on ending poverty in our own country first.  

These pictures make no sense to me.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Define "better future."

hartsickdiscipl

Ending world hunger and poverty would be great.  Let's focus on ending poverty in our own country first.  

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Ending world hunger and poverty, focusing on the sciences and space exploration, and generally treating the planet better then we have been. 

-Sun_Tzu-

Ending world hunger and poverty would be great.  Let's focus on ending poverty in our own country first.  

I don't support those programs if they put the country into more debt or raise taxes on the rest of the population.  That is obviously not acceptable.  

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Ending world hunger and poverty, focusing on the sciences and space exploration, and generally treating the planet better then we have been. 

Yusuke420

Ending world hunger and poverty would be great.  Let's focus on ending poverty in our own country first.  

That does sound better than what we have going on currently.  It might even filter out those who are truly just too lazy to carry their own weight.  

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Ending world hunger and poverty would be great.  Let's focus on ending poverty in our own country first.  

hartsickdiscipl

I don't support those programs if they put the country into more debt or raise taxes on the rest of the population.  That is obviously not acceptable.  

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And do you support programs that actually do end poverty in the US, or are you just giving lip service to the idea of ending poverty?

-Sun_Tzu-

I don't support those programs if they put the country into more debt or raise taxes on the rest of the population.  That is obviously not acceptable.  

Yes I did.  You just didn't like the answer.  

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I don't support those programs if they put the country into more debt or raise taxes on the rest of the population.  That is obviously not acceptable.  

hartsickdiscipl

Yes I did.  

Giving reasons for why you wouldn't support these programs given a specific context is not you saying whether or not you support these programs on their own merits. 

Exactly, my plan is a win-win for the economy, sadly I don't have the credentials to run for political office. 

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You didn't answer the question. -Sun_Tzu-

Yes I did.  

The answer is yes.  I support those types of programs if they don't put the country into more debt or raise taxes on the rest of the US population.  

Exactly, my plan is a win-win for the economy, sadly I don't have the credentials to run for political office. 

Exactly, my plan is a win-win for the economy, sadly I don't have the credentials to run for political office. 

Yusuke420

Since when does somebody need credentials to get into politics?

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You didn't answer the question. -Sun_Tzu-

Yes I did.  

Giving reasons for why you wouldn't support these programs given a specific context is not you saying whether or not you support these programs on their own merits. 

How the program affects the national debt and individual working Americans is a big part of it's merit.  

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Yes I did.  

hartsickdiscipl

Giving reasons for why you wouldn't support these programs given a specific context is not you saying whether or not you support these programs on their own merits. 

How the program affects the national debt and individual working Americans is a big part of it's merit.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You didn't, but w/e you say

Giving reasons for why you wouldn't support these programs given a specific context is not you saying whether or not you support these programs on their own merits. 

-Sun_Tzu-

How the program affects the national debt and individual working Americans is a big part of it's merit.  

Need details.  I'm not here to make everyone else productive.  This isn't a collective.  That's the idea behind what I'm saying.  Any plan that forces the general population to pay out more to buoy those who can't carry their weight can't be a good thing.  It's contrary to the very ideas of personal accountability and free enterprise.   

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Exactly, my plan is a win-win for the economy, sadly I don't have the credentials to run for political office. 

airshocker

Since when does somebody need credentials to get into politics?

I can't take anything you say seriously knowing you're a 911 conspirator.

-> honesty.

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Exactly, my plan is a win-win for the economy, sadly I don't have the credentials to run for political office. 

Yusuke420

Since when does somebody need credentials to get into politics?

All you really need is a pile of money and a big mouth.  Or a bunch of friends with piles of money and you can be their puppet.  

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

How the program affects the national debt and individual working Americans is a big part of it's merit.  

hartsickdiscipl

Need details.  I'm not hear to make everyone else productive.  This isn't a collective.  That's the idea behind what I'm saying.  Any plan that forces the general population to pay out more to buoy those who can't carry their weight can't be a good thing.  It's contrary to the very ideas of personal accountability and free enterprise.   

I can't take anything you say seriously knowing you're a 911 conspirator.

-> honesty.

MakeMeaSammitch

I had no part in the events of 9/11.  I'm offended that you'd call me a conspirator. 

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] So if the benefits of more aggressive anti-poverty initiatives outweighed any potential costs from higher taxes or more public debt, you still wouldn't support that? -Sun_Tzu-

Need details.  I'm not hear to make everyone else productive.  This isn't a collective.  That's the idea behind what I'm saying.  Any plan that forces the general population to pay out more to buoy those who can't carry their weight can't be a good thing.  It's contrary to the very ideas of personal accountability and free enterprise.   

Likewise.  You've yet to present a real plan.  

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

I can't take anything you say seriously knowing you're a 911 conspirator.

-> honesty.

hartsickdiscipl

I had no part in the events of 9/11.  I'm offended that you'd call me a conspirator. 

you're a nut. Everybody thinks you're a nut.

-> honesty

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

I can't take anything you say seriously knowing you're a 911 conspirator.

-> honesty.

MakeMeaSammitch

I had no part in the events of 9/11.  I'm offended that you'd call me a conspirator. 

you're a nut. Everybody thinks you're a nut.

-> honesty

If by "everybody," you mean a large portion of OT..  yes, that's probably true.  Strange that I don't elicit such responses in person.  

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I had no part in the events of 9/11.  I'm offended that you'd call me a conspirator. 

hartsickdiscipl

you're a nut. Everybody thinks you're a nut.

-> honesty

If by "everybody," you mean a large portion of OT..  yes, that's probably true.  Strange that I don't elicit such responses in person.  

->honesty

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]I was directing that at the op, but this does apply to you too.

you're a nut. Everybody thinks you're a nut.

-> honesty

MakeMeaSammitch

If by "everybody," you mean a large portion of OT..  yes, that's probably true.  Strange that I don't elicit such responses in person.  

->honesty

I've discussed Ancient Astronaut Theory with nearly everyone that I work with.  I've gotten mixed responses.  4 people that I know now feel that it is the most likely explanation, given the available data.  

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

If by "everybody," you mean a large portion of OT..  yes, that's probably true.  Strange that I don't elicit such responses in person.  

hartsickdiscipl

->honesty

I've discussed Ancient Astronaut Theory with nearly everyone that I work with.  I've gotten mixed responses.  4 people that I know now feel that it is the most likely explanation, given the available data.  

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]not sure why people are upset about dronessonicare

We never fight fair when we can. It's one of those things of "just how it is."

3 to 1 fire superiority, raids at odd hours, overwhelming technology. UAVs or not, there is nothing fair about warfare or how we conduct it.

Honestly, I feel like people have a problem with the technology more than anything else. SunTzu is the one regular poster on this board I've seen that actually knows what he is talking about.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The issue isn't with the drones per se, but with the profound secrecy that surrounds the CIA drone program. The agency to this day still doesn't even formally acknowledge said program's existence. whiskeystrike

We never fight fair when we can. It's one of those things of "just how it is."

3 to 1 fire superiority, raids at odd hours, overwhelming technology. UAVs or not, there is nothing fair about warfare or how we conduct it.

Honestly, I feel like people have a problem with the technology more than anything else. SunTzu is the one regular poster on this board I've seen that actually knows what he is talking about.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

If by "everybody," you mean a large portion of OT..  yes, that's probably true.  Strange that I don't elicit such responses in person.  

hartsickdiscipl

->honesty

I've discussed Ancient Astronaut Theory with nearly everyone that I work with.  I've gotten mixed responses.  4 people that I know now feel that it is the most likely explanation, given the available data.  

remind me to never meet these said 4 people

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[QUOTE="sonicare"] I think the drones are pretty bad, though. I understand the need to go after enemies, but there needs to be a better way than this. This just amounts to execution.MakeMeaSammitch

We never fight fair when we can. It's one of those things of "just how it is."

3 to 1 fire superiority, raids at odd hours, overwhelming technology. UAVs or not, there is nothing fair about warfare or how we conduct it.

Honestly, I feel like people have a problem with the technology more than anything else. SunTzu is the one regular poster on this board I've seen that actually knows what he is talking about.

I think it's fear of the technology. The majority of UAVs are used simply to scan IEDs, conduct convoy overwatch and similar tasks.

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[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

We never fight fair when we can. It's one of those things of "just how it is."

3 to 1 fire superiority, raids at odd hours, overwhelming technology. UAVs or not, there is nothing fair about warfare or how we conduct it.

Honestly, I feel like people have a problem with the technology more than anything else. SunTzu is the one regular poster on this board I've seen that actually knows what he is talking about.

whiskeystrike

I think it's fear of the technology. The majority of UAVs are used simply to scan IEDs, conduct convoy overwatch and similar tasks.

And two other things:

- they can be used at home on citizens

- they are basically like playing with a toy...point, click, boom.  No risk to the user, etc.

Praline, do you really believe the west is controlled by Zionists?

I hate politics, I really do

Why are conservatives so scared of Obamacare?

idk why people's panties are disproportionately knotted by drones

i mean, the fact that an airstrike killed 20+ civilians isn't somehow any worse b/c it was done without the pilot being physically inside the aircraft

coolbeans90