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#1 NoSpeakyEnglish
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Has the majority American view shifted from pro-Israel? What about you guys?
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#2 flacracker173
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Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?
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Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?flacracker173
Yes, many people.
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#4 DeadxPrez
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Has the majority American view shifted from pro-Israel? What about you guys?NoSpeakyEnglish

Hard to take sides on something like that.

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#5 AnObscureName
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I'm not too bothered about it all. I was never "pro" either group.
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#6 DeadxPrez
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[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"]Has the majority American view shifted from pro-Israel? What about you guys?DeadxPrez

Hard to take sides on something like that.

I'll say though that not letting the aid get through is pretty dispicable on the israelis part.

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[QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?xTheExploited
Yes, many people.

Was there any AMERICANS that were pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group? That weren't TERRORISTS. Also, Was there anyone that was pro-hamas that wasn't in a TERRORIST group? Or thinks that 9/11 is a CONSPIRACY?

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#8 mattykovax
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Personally I think those directly involved in the conflict on both sides are genocidal religous nuts,and it is the common palestinian and isreali who want peace and basic human rights for all that suffer. I have felt this way for a long time,and every single one of these conflicts reinforce that opinion for me.

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#9 Legendaryscmt
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It always has, and also will be, a lost cause. Both sides act like children with this subject.
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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?flacracker173

Yes, many people.

Was there any AMERICANS that were pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group? That weren't TERRORISTS. Also, Was there anyone that was pro-hamas that wasn't in a TERRORIST group? Or thinks that 9/11 is a CONSPIRACY?

Many people who were previously neutral in the situation or had sided with Israel in prior events had switched over to siding with Hamas during the conflict. Did I not make it clear in my first post?
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#11 Paladin_King
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It always has, and also will be, a lost cause. Both sides act like children with this subject.Legendaryscmt
Yeah, i think the whole event has just led people to shrug with disillusionment more than ever, honestly.
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#12 chessmaster1989
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I've said this many times, and I will say it again: they should just split Israel into two countries (Israel and Palestine), and make Jerusalem a neutral city, separate of both countries. Problem solved 8).
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#13 duxup
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As long as Hamas is involved the Palestinians will always get limited support.
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#14 Paladin_King
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]I've said this many times, and I will say it again: they should just split Israel into two countries (Israel and Palestine), and make Jerusalem a neutral city, separate of both countries. Problem solved 8).

Would both sides be satisfied with a Jerusalem outside of their countries though?
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#15 aliblabla2007
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I'm a guy who thinks Israel's a country that should never have been created, but I don't really approve of Hamas's response.
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#16 woofie13
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Has the majority American view shifted from pro-Israel? What about you guys?NoSpeakyEnglish
maybe for some. I'm strongly pro-Isreal, plus Gaza has been bombing Israel civilians all year long. It's about time they learned not to screw with Israel.
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Was there any AMERICANS that were pro-hamas?flacracker173

This douche

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#18 peeviness
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I'm pro-Palestine, not pro-Hamas
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#19 MattUD1
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Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?flacracker173
The terrorist group that is only recognized by 3 nations?
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#20 AlphaRail
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I was pro israel, now I am anti hamas :P, not much of a change, but it is :D
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#21 AlphaRail
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[QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?MattUD1
The terrorist group that is only recognized by 3 nations?

Well it is, they brainwashed some palestinians, as they built schools and they used propaganda at the schools they built, pro hamas..their charter is to destroy Zion Israel. They are the ones who usually break the cease fires..they suicide bomb populated areas full of citizens.
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#22 deactivated-58188738395f3
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I'll say though that not letting the aid get through is pretty dispicable on the israelis part. DeadxPrez

That's why I'm going to vote for the social democratic Avoda party and maybe even for Hadash in the upcoming Israeli elections instead of the more capitalistic and militaristic Likud party. As I tend to be a socialist and am pretty much anti-capitalist I see that as a good choice.

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#23 lucky326
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I'm personally thinking Britain needs to retake this wayward coloney and teach it some respect.....and if that doesn't work we get some new nuclear testing grounds for when the population has been moved across any and all borders.
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#24 Vandalvideo
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I was neutral at the start of the conflict, but after the three week ceasfire and the actions of Hamas, I'm pro Israel again.
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#25 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Has the majority American view shifted from pro-Israel? What about you guys?NoSpeakyEnglish
No, I still view Israel the same as I did back in 2006. I still support their actions.
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#26 NoSpeakyEnglish
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?AlphaRail
The terrorist group that is only recognized by 3 nations?

Well it is, they brainwashed some palestinians, as they built schools and they used propaganda at the schools they built, pro hamas..their charter is to destroy Zion Israel. They are the ones who usually break the cease fires..they suicide bomb populated areas full of citizens.

Christ dude if you think that's bad just read up on what Israel soldiers did to Palestinian citizens during this mini-episode. Why is it the Palestinians are always ignored?
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#27 btaylor2404
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No I doubt it. I've been sick of the whole thing for sometime, but this was just the tip of the iceberg. They have to come to some kind of agreement.
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#28 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?MattUD1
The terrorist group that is only recognized by 3 nations?

So, how does the European Union feel about Hamas? Do they view them as a terrorist movement/group? ;)
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#29 MattUD1
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?Stevo_the_gamer
The terrorist group that is only recognized by 3 nations?

So, how does the European Union feel about Hamas? Do they view them as a terrorist movement/group? ;)

Only England, the United States, and Canada view Hamas as a terrorist organization.
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#30 NoSpeakyEnglish
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]The terrorist group that is only recognized by 3 nations? MattUD1
So, how does the European Union feel about Hamas? Do they view them as a terrorist movement/group? ;)

Only England, the United States, and Canada view Hamas as a terrorist organization.

And I bet all the Arab nations put Israel as a terrorist nation.
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#31 tycoonmike
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Considering that both sides are just as guilty of war crimes as the other, I think that both sides need to be sanctioned by the UN, or even better have their governments deposed.
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#32 MattUD1
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So, how does the European Union feel about Hamas? Do they view them as a terrorist movement/group? ;)NoSpeakyEnglish
Only England, the United States, and Canada view Hamas as a terrorist organization.

And I bet all the Arab nations put Israel as a terrorist nation.

I wouldn't doubt it. Using WP in one of the areas with the highest person per square mile ratio isn't a smart move.
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I guess I'm more "pro" Israel, but at the same time I don't really think it's America's opinion that matters, and I personally don't believe the country should choose a side. I understand that Hamas is a terrorist organization to most people and basically a puppet for Iran, but we're askin to be attacked again.
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#34 NoSpeakyEnglish
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I guess I'm more "pro" Israel, but at the same time I don't really think it's America's opinion that matters, and I personally don't believe the country should choose a side. I understand that Hamas is a terrorist organization to most people and basically a puppet for Iran, but we're askin to be attacked again.falconclan
OK I'm just wondering out loud here but what exactly makes Hamas terrorists?
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#35 Oleg_Huzwog
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Only England, the United States, and Canada view Hamas as a terrorist organization.MattUD1

I'm pretty sure Japan and Australia belong on that list.

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Only England, the United States, and Canada view Hamas as a terrorist organization.MattUD1
"I intentionally say this here: Hamas is a terrorist movement and it has to be denounced as such." -- Louis Michel. European Union views Hamas as a terrorist organization. ;)
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[QUOTE="falconclan"]I guess I'm more "pro" Israel, but at the same time I don't really think it's America's opinion that matters, and I personally don't believe the country should choose a side. I understand that Hamas is a terrorist organization to most people and basically a puppet for Iran, but we're askin to be attacked again.NoSpeakyEnglish
OK I'm just wondering out loud here but what exactly makes Hamas terrorists?

Probably the fact that they launch rockets into Israel and run away and then cry about their people when the Israeli's retaliate. If there were rockets coming into your country daily would you just be okay with it and sit around?
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Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?flacracker173
hahahaha righteous. yeah, totally. I mean, I don't support Israel shelling schools so I'm like PRO terrorist. what a no-brainer, right?!
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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?flacracker173

Yes, many people.

Was there any AMERICANS that were pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group? That weren't TERRORISTS. Also, Was there anyone that was pro-hamas that wasn't in a TERRORIST group? Or thinks that 9/11 is a CONSPIRACY?

What are you getting so worked up about? Nobody mentioned anyone being Pro-Hamas until you brought it up.
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Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?flacracker173
A certain wing of The Democratic party sure is , like little Dennis Kucinich.
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[QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?quiglythegreat
hahahaha righteous. yeah, totally. I mean, I don't support Israel shelling schools so I'm like PRO terrorist. what a no-brainer, right?!

Hamas uses children as human shields. It ought to be a no brainer, and yeah, it sucks that innocents died, a lot more than there should have been, but thats war.
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[QUOTE="falconclan"]I guess I'm more "pro" Israel, but at the same time I don't really think it's America's opinion that matters, and I personally don't believe the country should choose a side. I understand that Hamas is a terrorist organization to most people and basically a puppet for Iran, but we're askin to be attacked again.NoSpeakyEnglish
OK I'm just wondering out loud here but what exactly makes Hamas terrorists?

Since, I won't waste my time going int details: I'll direct you to here, in which gives both sides of the argument -- in which case, you can choose whatever you want to believe.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6583080

(Note: that article is from late 2006)

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[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"][QUOTE="falconclan"]I guess I'm more "pro" Israel, but at the same time I don't really think it's America's opinion that matters, and I personally don't believe the country should choose a side. I understand that Hamas is a terrorist organization to most people and basically a puppet for Iran, but we're askin to be attacked again.falconclan
OK I'm just wondering out loud here but what exactly makes Hamas terrorists?

Probably the fact that they launch rockets into Israel and run away and then cry about their people when the Israeli's retaliate. If there were rockets coming into your country daily would you just be okay with it and sit around?

Are you sure that's all? By that definition, the Israeli army is a terrorist group.
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Only England, the United States, and Canada view Hamas as a terrorist organization.Stevo_the_gamer
"I intentionally say this here: Hamas is a terrorist movement and it has to be denounced as such." -- Louis Michel. European Union views Hamas as a terrorist organization. ;)

Then I misspoke and my friend is wrong.
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#45 NoSpeakyEnglish
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[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"][QUOTE="falconclan"]I guess I'm more "pro" Israel, but at the same time I don't really think it's America's opinion that matters, and I personally don't believe the country should choose a side. I understand that Hamas is a terrorist organization to most people and basically a puppet for Iran, but we're askin to be attacked again.falconclan
OK I'm just wondering out loud here but what exactly makes Hamas terrorists?

Probably the fact that they launch rockets into Israel and run away and then cry about their people when the Israeli's retaliate. If there were rockets coming into your country daily would you just be okay with it and sit around?

No I would take action too but I wouldn't go as far as Israel did. 1500+ women and children dead and who knows how many more wounded. Wouldn't that make Israel more of a terrorist group than Hamas?
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]Only England, the United States, and Canada view Hamas as a terrorist organization.MattUD1
"I intentionally say this here: Hamas is a terrorist movement and it has to be denounced as such." -- Louis Michel. European Union views Hamas as a terrorist organization. ;)

Then I misspoke and my friend is wrong.

Don't you think the most logical approach to stating facts is to make sure ... they're -- well, in fact, factual? :?
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[QUOTE="falconclan"][QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"] OK I'm just wondering out loud here but what exactly makes Hamas terrorists?YouAmStupid
Probably the fact that they launch rockets into Israel and run away and then cry about their people when the Israeli's retaliate. If there were rockets coming into your country daily would you just be okay with it and sit around?

Are you sure that's all? By that definition, the Israeli army is a terrorist group.

There is a difference between first strike and counter attack. Hamas can only use crappy little rockets that kill one person every month or whatever, Israel retaliated with a massive amount of force...

You know what, why am I even arguing, I said I don't really think this is a place America should step in. The conflict is complex, personally I don't care if they nuke eachother as long as im still standing in the end.

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#48 MattUD1
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]"I intentionally say this here: Hamas is a terrorist movement and it has to be denounced as such." -- Louis Michel. European Union views Hamas as a terrorist organization. ;)Stevo_the_gamer
Then I misspoke and my friend is wrong.

Don't you think the most logical approach to stating facts is to make sure ... they're -- well, in fact, factual? :?

My friend is very intelligent and makes sure things he says are backed up. I have no reason to doubt him and if he is wrong he humbly admits he is wrong. He usually isn't wrong and it is a rare case when he is.
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?falconclan
hahahaha righteous. yeah, totally. I mean, I don't support Israel shelling schools so I'm like PRO terrorist. what a no-brainer, right?!

Hamas uses children as human shields. It ought to be a no brainer, and yeah, it sucks that innocents died, a lot more than there should have been, but thats war.

I don't support anyone who shoots anyone. someone who's willing to shell a school because they got some small arms fire from there is just out of it. I don't care what the circumstances are, you don't do that.
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#50 NoSpeakyEnglish
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="flacracker173"]Was there anyone who was pro-hamas? The TERRORIST group?falconclan
hahahaha righteous. yeah, totally. I mean, I don't support Israel shelling schools so I'm like PRO terrorist. what a no-brainer, right?!

Hamas uses children as human shields. It ought to be a no brainer, and yeah, it sucks that innocents died, a lot more than there should have been, but thats war.

Why the hell does the blame never fall on Israel? If I shot and killed you, would the gun be tried or me?
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