6'8 NFL player before and after

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Yeah. You turn pro and get juiced.lo_Pine

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] I am not on the juice and I went from 185 to 225 in one year. The next year I got my body fat down to 10 percent. People who have not seen me thought I was on the juice. Nope just  hard work,diet,sleep and dedication. I also used creatine,whey protien,BCAA,Beta alaine and glutamine. Also used anotest a testosterone booster on and off.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

Don't know who it is, but generally players train exclusively for the combine probably train for 3 straight months, diet, strength etc. to be physically prepared. If he's been playing football for 3 years, it is unlikely he would get that big so fast. Reason is that the only time football players really increase in size is the offseason, during the season they would likely be lifting for maintenance and large changes in body mass would throw it off.

If he is not in the NFL, it is possible he got that large naturally without the use of illegal supplements over 3 years of very intense training/dieting.

If I had to guess, I'd be 95% sure he's on something illegal. That is a huge difference.

mingmao3046

I don't like being inferred too as an idiot, let's not do that.

There isn't a way we forum dwellers can identify whether it is natural or not. I would agree it is very very unlikely it is natural, but without knowing his genetic makeup we cant adequately judge his potential.

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

Don't know who it is, but generally players train exclusively for the combine probably train for 3 straight months, diet, strength etc. to be physically prepared. If he's been playing football for 3 years, it is unlikely he would get that big so fast. Reason is that the only time football players really increase in size is the offseason, during the season they would likely be lifting for maintenance and large changes in body mass would throw it off.

If he is not in the NFL, it is possible he got that large naturally without the use of illegal supplements over 3 years of very intense training/dieting.

If I had to guess, I'd be 95% sure he's on something illegal. That is a huge difference.

Zlurodirom

I don't like being inferred too as an idiot, let's not do that.

There isn't a way we forum dwellers can identify whether it is natural or not. I would agree it is very very unlikely it is natural, but without knowing his genetic makeup we cant adequately judge his potential.

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]The man is 6'8ft it takes time to fill that out. You just don't train for a couple years and your maxed out. Also improvements have been made in diet and supplements. You just don't get juiced and turn pro.

no-scope-AK47

Notice this guy gained those 40lbs you did, and then gained them again. Just because someone gained it once, doesn't mean they will continually put on muscle, there is an exponential curve with muscle size increase. I've also had people ask me if I was taking roids, doesn't really mean much.

If we're going with anecdotal evidence to support our claims, I gained about 15lbs in less than 2 months, and this was all muscle. Guess the max number of lbs I gained in the next 4 years under strenuous lifting (of course with macrocycles and periods of rest)? It was less than 10lbs. This guy did the equivalent of me gaining 15 lbs quickly and then continuing to gain it for the next couple years, AFTER being a good enough prospect to be invited to the combine and training for the combine specifically for months, and likely training for 4+ years for lifting in highschool/college. I don't think that's too unreasonable to be suspicious.

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] No, that size is not possible at all naturally. period. Cant believe how many idiots there are hereThe_Lipscomb

I don't like being inferred too as an idiot, let's not do that.

There isn't a way we forum dwellers can identify whether it is natural or not. I would agree it is very very unlikely it is natural, but without knowing his genetic makeup we cant adequately judge his potential.

Not in this sense. I don't recall being called an idiot ever, though I'm sure it has happened, it is rare.

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

Don't know who it is, but generally players train exclusively for the combine probably train for 3 straight months, diet, strength etc. to be physically prepared. If he's been playing football for 3 years, it is unlikely he would get that big so fast. Reason is that the only time football players really increase in size is the offseason, during the season they would likely be lifting for maintenance and large changes in body mass would throw it off.

If he is not in the NFL, it is possible he got that large naturally without the use of illegal supplements over 3 years of very intense training/dieting.

If I had to guess, I'd be 95% sure he's on something illegal. That is a huge difference.

Fightingfan

They are considered a performance enhancing drug in football I believe, aka they are illegal.

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

I don't like being inferred too as an idiot, let's not do that.

There isn't a way we forum dwellers can identify whether it is natural or not. I would agree it is very very unlikely it is natural, but without knowing his genetic makeup we cant adequately judge his potential.

Zlurodirom

Not in this sense. I don't recall being called an idiot ever, though I'm sure it has happened, it is rare.

You can't keep those kinds of muscle forever. It's not gonna look good when he's 40 or 50...

one_plum

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]He was younger in the 1st pic and did not have his man powah yet. Also he is getting better coaching and training now that he is a pro. His diet most likely improved as well being rich can do that.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

You can't keep those kinds of muscle forever. It's not gonna look good when he's 40 or 50...

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] You don't like being inferred as an idiot.. You must get mad a lot in life... as people continously call each other idiots, regardless if the person is right or not.The_Lipscomb

Not in this sense. I don't recall being called an idiot ever, though I'm sure it has happened, it is rare.

Well I'm sorry about your community then.

Don't we want to best performance out of our pro atheletes, then why do we care if they use HGH or anything that can help them compete at the highest levels possible?

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

Not in this sense. I don't recall being called an idiot ever, though I'm sure it has happened, it is rare.

Zlurodirom

Well I'm sorry about your community then.

Don't we want to best performance out of our pro atheletes, then why do we care if they use HGH or anything that can help them compete at the highest levels possible?

Yusuke420

Because it's an unfair advantage!!

A slightly more legitimate argument is PEDs can cause health problems.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Don't we want to best performance out of our pro atheletes, then why do we care if they use HGH or anything that can help them compete at the highest levels possible?

Zlurodirom

Because it's an unfair advantage!!

A slightly more legitimate argument is PEDs can cause health problems.

Don't we want to best performance out of our pro atheletes, then why do we care if they use HGH or anything that can help them compete at the highest levels possible?

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

You can't keep those kinds of muscle forever. It's not gonna look good when he's 40 or 50...

The_Lipscomb

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Don't we want to best performance out of our pro atheletes, then why do we care if they use HGH or anything that can help them compete at the highest levels possible?

Zlurodirom

Because it's an unfair advantage!!

A slightly more legitimate argument is PEDs can cause health problems.

It's almost like he had another puberty, I wonder where all those hormones/testosterone came from...General_X

[QUOTE="General_X"]It's almost like he had another puberty, I wonder where all those hormones/testosterone came from...Jacobistheman

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Don't we want to best performance out of our pro atheletes, then why do we care if they use HGH or anything that can help them compete at the highest levels possible?

Rich3232

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] I'm sure he'll adjust his work out so it doesn't turn to fat...Fightingfan

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Don't we want to best performance out of our pro atheletes, then why do we care if they use HGH or anything that can help them compete at the highest levels possible?

The_Lipscomb

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] As long as you lose weight the correct way, by not eating to little.. You should be fine.The_Lipscomb

You fell into the "If you don't use it you lose it".

Getting of roids won't make you lose all your gains, but as long as you maintain a calorie surplus, and continue to workout the majority will stay with you.

The reason people lost soo much muscle back in the day is because we didn't balance your hormones, we simply evaluated Testosterone, but people didn't use estrogen blocks since progesterone(synthetic) will turn into estrogen.

When getting off the juice it's all about block estrogen until your body makes its own testosterone (Body shuts off the production because it doesn't need it since you're injecting it). HCG comes into play because it makes your sex organ produce more sex hormone, in men being testosterone

. It works for men, but women are SOL.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] As long as you lose weight the correct way, by not eating to little.. You should be fine.The_Lipscomb

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] My viewpoint as well. We watch them for entertainment, and if taking performance enhancing drugs will increase their entertainment value, then why should they not be allowed to do so? Rich3232

First off for anyone saying this dude had a diet there isn't much of a diet when gaining mass. You simply just eat and eat and work out. Gaining weight such as this when he was already big is possbile considering the time frame. I'm not sure what year the bottom picture is but in 2-3 years its not that far fetched to get that big if all you do is work out and play football, of all sports. Take some creatine eat 6 huge meals a deal and lift heavy weights, you will there just like he did in two years.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] I agree. Steriods, along with all other drugs should absolutely be legal. There are hardly any good reasons for it not to be.The_Lipscomb

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Those are old myths from the 90s. You can need to look up what Post-Cycle-Therapy and HCG is. The old "Ohh you lose all your mass when you stop" is old news. Just take some Nolva, Clomid, and HCG and you'll be fine. Fightingfan

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Don't we want to best performance out of our pro atheletes, then why do we care if they use HGH or anything that can help them compete at the highest levels possible?

Fightingfan

Because it's an unfair advantage!!

A slightly more legitimate argument is PEDs can cause health problems.

That's why I said "slightly more legtitimate". That first part was obviously sarcasm, right? Was that not obvious?

Ever heard of elevated levels of testosterone linked to prostate cancer? Might want to check that out before you start suggesting testosterone cream or whatever way you think it's safe to increase testosterone via supplements..

Remember when we had prohibition? Don't think taking away alcohol in the present would turn out much different. Probably similar with cigarettes. Those industries have the money/power to keep their products legal and to continue production.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] Are you sure? I was buff as hell last year.. Stopped working out and ran.. and I'm average weight with no flab at all now. I lost most of my muscle as well :S.. It only happens in older people? I'm saying I disagree with you. It just hasen't been my experience.. So I'm not sure how this works?The_Lipscomb

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Those are old myths from the 90s. You can need to look up what Post-Cycle-Therapy and HCG is. The old "Ohh you lose all your mass when you stop" is old news. Just take some Nolva, Clomid, and HCG and you'll be fine. no-scope-AK47

You keep throwing around claims, can you back anything you say up? Or are you still using personal experience and telling people it's applicable to everyone?

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] My viewpoint as well. We watch them for entertainment, and if taking performance enhancing drugs will increase their entertainment value, then why should they not be allowed to do so? Rich3232

The problem with steroids is that it can have very negative, damaging effects on people, physically and mentally. This plus it gives the taker an advantage, and may force other players to to take steroids as well, which is again, a damaging drug.

I don;t know about you, but I'd rather sportstars get good by actually practicing and working hard and not taking the easy and dangeroud route of steroids.  

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] I agree. Steriods, along with all other drugs should absolutely be legal. There are hardly any good reasons for it not to be.

DJ-Lafleur

The problem with steroids is that it can have very negative, damaging effects on people, physically and mentally. This plus it gives the taker an advantage, and may force other players to to take steroids as well, which is again, a damaging drug.

I don;t know about you, but I'd rather sportstars get good by actually practicing and working hard and not taking the easy and dangeroud route of steroids.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] Are you sure? I was buff as hell last year.. Stopped working out and ran.. and I'm average weight with no flab at all now. I lost most of my muscle as well :S.. It only happens in older people? I'm not saying I disagree with you. It just hasen't been my experience.. So I'm not sure how this works?

Zlurodirom

You keep throwing around claims, can you back anything you say up? Or are you still using personal experience and telling people it's applicable to everyone?

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] Correct. This nonsense we have wrt to drugs is just that; nonsense. The_Lipscomb

The problem with steroids is that it can have very negative, damaging effects on people, physically and mentally. This plus it gives the taker an advantage, and may force other players to to take steroids as well, which is again, a damaging drug.

I don;t know about you, but I'd rather sportstars get good by actually practicing and working hard and not taking the easy and dangeroud route of steroids.  

Yes, life is very unfair, though I don't see how that justifies illegal steroid use. And yes a star taking steroids can potentially have negative effects on others, whether it be doing so good others may consider doping themselves up just to compete, or perhaps if a child looks up to a star, and then finds out their biggest role model got where they did through illegal steroid use. Not to mention steroid use can make one aggressive, which could make life difficult for anyone who has to live around or interact with the star.

Damaging to their body and mind? Well, that's their choice. Also, for making other people take it cause youre using it.. That's how life is.. It's unfair, and sometimes you have to make choices. As long as people make a choice that will not harm others, that is their right.The_Lipscomb

I for one would never give my money for any sports league that allows their players to take performance enhancement drugs.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] Are you sure? I was buff as hell last year.. Stopped working out and ran.. and I'm average weight with no flab at all now. I lost most of my muscle as well :S.. It only happens in older people? I'm not saying I disagree with you. It just hasen't been my experience.. So I'm not sure how this works?

Zlurodirom

You keep throwing around claims, can you back anything you say up? Or are you still using personal experience and telling people it's applicable to everyone?

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

The problem with steroids is that it can have very negative, damaging effects on people, physically and mentally. This plus it gives the taker an advantage, and may force other players to to take steroids as well, which is again, a damaging drug.

I don;t know about you, but I'd rather sportstars get good by actually practicing and working hard and not taking the easy and dangeroud route of steroids.  

DJ-Lafleur

Yes, life is very unfair, though I don't see how that justifies illegal steroid use. And yes a star taking steroids can potentially have negative effects on others, whether it be doing so good others may consider doping themselves up just to compete, or perhaps if a child looks up to a star, and then finds out their biggest role model got where they did through illegal steroid use. Not to mention steroid use can make one aggressive, which could make life difficult for anyone who has to live around or interact with the star.

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]Damaging to their body and mind? Well, that's their choice. Also, for making other people take it cause youre using it.. That's how life is.. It's unfair, and sometimes you have to make choices. As long as people make a choice that will not harm others, that is their right.one_plum

I for one would never give my money for any sports league that allows their players to take performance enhancement drugs.

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]You stopped lifting so of course your going to lose mass. However if you hit it again you will gain much faster because your body remembers.

xscrapzx

You keep throwing around claims, can you back anything you say up? Or are you still using personal experience and telling people it's applicable to everyone?

"Muscle memory" generally referrs to neurogenic adaptation and the motor learning that goes on in the brain. I.e a musician's muscle memory will increase when practicing a lot with specific instruments.

I'm not saying he's wrong, just he throws a lot of things around without much reference or citation.

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

You can't keep those kinds of muscle forever. It's not gonna look good when he's 40 or 50...

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

You can't keep those kinds of muscle forever. It's not gonna look good when he's 40 or 50...

mingmao3046

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

You keep throwing around claims, can you back anything you say up? Or are you still using personal experience and telling people it's applicable to everyone?

Zlurodirom

"Muscle memory" generally referrs to neurogenic adaptation and the motor learning that goes on in the brain. I.e a musician's muscle memory will increase when practicing a lot with specific instruments.

I'm not saying he's wrong, just he throws a lot of things around without much reference or citation.

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] Its called muscle memory, he is right.no-scope-AK47

"Muscle memory" generally referrs to neurogenic adaptation and the motor learning that goes on in the brain. I.e a musician's muscle memory will increase when practicing a lot with specific instruments.

I'm not saying he's wrong, just he throws a lot of things around without much reference or citation.

I am quite aware of the neurogenic and other physiological adaptations from exercise, but I have not seen any evidence of your insistance of an accelerated increase in muscle size if you've stopped training and are picking it back up. I've seen a single unsourced article on Wired talking about muscle nuclei not undergoing apoptosis under atrophy, but that's it, and it was 2 years ago, ample time for the scientific procedure to be peer reviewed and published, or to be replicated and confirmed. Something I have found no evidence of.

The lack of this evidence makes me doubt this is "muscle memory" versus motor learning. Motor learning has shown to last for years after different types of training, which would explain someone being able to stop lifting,  then get back into lifting at a weight not too much lower than the previous weight.  Neurogenic adaptations can explain a rapid increase in strength at the beginning of a new program, but nothing about an increase in muscle mass which you suggested occured. THAT is why I'm asking you where you are getting these ideas from.

Looks like the hulk. 

He on that deer antler. 

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

You keep throwing around claims, can you back anything you say up? Or are you still using personal experience and telling people it's applicable to everyone?

Zlurodirom

"Muscle memory" generally referrs to neurogenic adaptation and the motor learning that goes on in the brain. I.e a musician's muscle memory will increase when practicing a lot with specific instruments.

I'm not saying he's wrong, just he throws a lot of things around without much reference or citation.

There's no way that's natural. chrisrooR