16 things Libya will never see again.

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

Popular uprisings resulting in the death of the former head usually are not carried out in comfortable, utopian societies.Engrish_Major

Popular uprisings resulting in the death of the former head usually are not carried out in comfortable, utopian societies.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Popular uprisings resulting in the death of the former head usually are not carried out in comfortable, utopian societies.Jandurin

Popular uprisings resulting in the death of the former head usually are not carried out in comfortable, utopian societies.Engrish_Major

Islamic extremists+ defected army for their own butthurt reasons + mercenaries + massive foreign support from butthurt arab leaders and oil hungry western countries> downfall of Qaddafi :P

this again i can't even read it too bad utopia is over :(Jandurin

Get the specs out grand dad ;)

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]this again i can't even read it too bad utopia is over :(Ilovegames1992

Get the specs out grand dad ;)

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]this again i can't even read it too bad utopia is over :(Jandurin

Get the specs out grand dad ;)

It automatically went grey when i posted it, dunno what went wrong there.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]this again i can't even read it too bad utopia is over :(Jandurin

Get the specs out grand dad ;)

It automatically went grey when i posted it, dunno what went wrong there.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Get the specs out grand dad ;)

It automatically went grey when i posted it, dunno what went wrong there.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] you changed the color from crap to at least somewhat legible little oneFrame_Dragger

It automatically went grey when i posted it, dunno what went wrong there.

Quite possibly.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] you changed the color from crap to at least somewhat legible little oneFrame_Dragger

It automatically went grey when i posted it, dunno what went wrong there.

If you google the words in the list, you will discover this is posted all over the web.

However, I cannot find a reliable source. It just seems to be 'posted' like propoganda

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] you changed the color from crap to at least somewhat legible little oneFrame_Dragger

It automatically went grey when i posted it, dunno what went wrong there.

Has the banned "Theokhoth" returned to us under the alias of "Frame_Dragger"?

You vex me in exactly the same way that he did! :x

So they'll never have university degrees or irrigation ever again?

I saw this on another forum from a guy supposedly claiming to live in Germany but was a Muslim from somewhere else. He was claiming to, you know what, here's what he said. judge for yourself.

Do you think NATO would have attacked Libya if it was only a banana growing country, instead of huge oil resources?

Western media has been promoting propagandas all the time.

Its as clear as sun that air strike was a biggest propaganda of western media, how come NATO can kill civilians, destroy whole country on the
basis of few fake news is this democracy - excuse me.

Take lesson muslim world, by not having your own strong defence system you ll be killed by NATO and looted. Also listen saiful islam and quran, jews and christians can't be friend of muslims they are friends to eachothers, dont trust.

If USA was a peaceful nation than why they were involved in destroying the non nuclear country. Libya

They are looters wants to loot everyones resources.

MUSLIMS PLEASE GET UNITED - YOU ARE THE BRAVE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD WITH THE LIGHT OF QURAN - LETS GET UNITED

NATO looters, Obama is hungry (

I'm not going into what I stated as a response, but Wow is all I can say. But for this one I'm curious where all of the money comes from to support their Utopian, paradisical, Socialist society where they pay people for everything just for living. Must be taxed at an 80% rate or something, sh**. Anyway, the opening post was said by him as well.

I'm not going into what I stated as a response, but Wow is all I can say. But for this one I'm curious where all of the money comes from to support their Utopian, paradisical, Socialist society where they pay people for everything just for living. Must be taxed at an 80% rate or something, sh**. Anyway, the opening post was said by him as well.

Sunfyre7896

I saw this on another forum from a guy supposedly claiming to live in Germany but was a Muslim from somewhere else. He was claiming to, you know what, here's what he said. judge for yourself.

Do you think NATO would have attacked Libya if it was only a banana growing country, instead of huge oil resources?

Western media has been promoting propagandas all the time.

Its as clear as sun that air strike was a biggest propaganda of western media, how come NATO can kill civilians, destroy whole country on the
basis of few fake news is this democracy - excuse me.

Take lesson muslim world, by not having your own strong defence system you ll be killed by NATO and looted. Also listen saiful islam and quran, jews and christians can't be friend of muslims they are friends to eachothers, dont trust.

If USA was a peaceful nation than why they were involved in destroying the non nuclear country. Libya

They are looters wants to loot everyones resources.

MUSLIMS PLEASE GET UNITED - YOU ARE THE BRAVE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD WITH THE LIGHT OF QURAN - LETS GET UNITED

NATO looters, Obama is hungry (

I'm not going into what I stated as a response, but Wow is all I can say. But for this one I'm curious where all of the money comes from to support their Utopian, paradisical, Socialist society where they pay people for everything just for living. Must be taxed at an 80% rate or something, sh**. Anyway, the opening post was said by him as well.

Sunfyre7896

Rail on the west, live in the west.

so calm down, there are people in the world who are better off than you simply because they happen to be sitting on an endless gold mine. life goes on.Kh1ndjal

[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"] so calm down, there are people in the world who are better off than you simply because they happen to be sitting on an endless gold mine. life goes on.topsemag55

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

It automatically went grey when i posted it, dunno what went wrong there.

Has the banned "Theokhoth" returned to us under the alias of "Frame_Dragger"?

You vex me in exactly the same way that he did! :x

Bacon?

Bikinis?

Ladies' ankles?

Ladies'ankles?

MissLibrarian

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Popular uprisings resulting in the death of the former head usually are not carried out in comfortable, utopian societies.surrealnumber5

indeed quadaffi was actually a pretty good guy and for all your assumptions i bet you werent aware he was on of the first world leaders to have a warrant for osama's capture on interpol.

he was actually one of the better dictators out his way.. sure he wasnty perfect but aside from the potentially fictional jesus and the potentially fictional prophet mohammed who was?? exactly they have ALL had fautls its the nature of being human, you dont make mistakes and then your a freak or not human (either/or).

the case against quadaffi wasnt very good and the "rebels" as the press has been so ready to label them were by and large ignorant of the good things he was doing for the nation. now their getting sharia law..

and TC your forgetting no 17.. women wont be in the schools anymore (libya was one of a few nations in the middle east and n. africa that let females go to school)

I feel like most people in Libya liked their leader, just a small minority was against him, and the media just made it look like he was a bad guy.

indeed quadaffi was actually a pretty good guy and for all your assumptions i bet you werent aware he was on of the first world leaders to have a warrant for osama's capture on interpol.

he was actually one of the better dictators out his way.. sure he wasnty perfect but aside from the potentially fictional jesus and the potentially fictional prophet mohammed who was?? exactly they have ALL had fautls its the nature of being human, you dont make mistakes and then your a freak or not human (either/or).

the case against quadaffi wasnt very good and the "rebels" as the press has been so ready to label them were by and large ignorant of the good things he was doing for the nation. now their getting sharia law..

and TC your forgetting no 17.. women wont be in the schools anymore (libya was one of a few nations in the middle east and n. africa that let females go to school)

ionusX

It's true, Qaddafi was actually a really nice guy and great leader who was just trolling the west for lulz. We fell for it, and wow are our faces red!

I feel like most people in Libya liked their leader, just a small minority was against him, and the media just made it look like he was a bad guy.

M4Ntan

Well, that's why you shouln't trust your feelings.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Popular uprisings resulting in the death of the former head usually are not carried out in comfortable, utopian societies.GulliversTravel

This. I'm sick of authoritarian leaders running what amounts to an aristocratic society and calling it communist. Gaddahfi was a brutal dictator who killed his own civilians. Some of his reforms I agree with, but that doesn't excuse what he did. Also, I know there are at least a few of those things that the interim government wants to continue doing, only REALLY doing it for all Libyans. Some of the stuff, admittedly, is pretty unsustainable.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] GS auto-bull **** detector? It is a pity to see the paradise that was Libya come to an end, but let me add one to the list: -Qaddafi's corpse: currently buried somewhere in the desert. :)Frame_Dragger

Has the banned "Theokhoth" returned to us under the alias of "Frame_Dragger"?

You vex me in exactly the same way that he did! :x

@Flazzle: I wouldn't be surised. Libya has always been very generous with the propoganda since the 80's, so you have roughly 30 years of layered bull that many people actually grew up believing.

You have the same sensibilities as Hoth, but you seem smarter (no offense to Hoth, I was cool with him). I don't think he was as up on his science as you are, and I don't see you posting topic after topic of links to liberal websites (not that I had a problem with him doing that, just that it was one of his defining features). If anything I think you might be an alt that xaos made in order to broaden his horizons without breaching his OT persona.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

Has the banned "Theokhoth" returned to us under the alias of "Frame_Dragger"?

You vex me in exactly the same way that he did! :x

@Flazzle: I wouldn't be surised. Libya has always been very generous with the propoganda since the 80's, so you have roughly 30 years of layered bull that many people actually grew up believing.

You have the same sensibilities as Hoth, but you seem smarter (no offense to Hoth, I was cool with him). I don't think he was as up on his science as you are, and I don't see you posting topic after topic of links to liberal websites (not that I had a problem with him doing that, just that it was one of his defining features). If anything I think you might be an alt that xaos made in order to broaden his horizons without breaching his OT persona.

[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"] so calm down, there are people in the world who are better off than you simply because they happen to be sitting on an endless gold mine. life goes on.topsemag55

Yes, 2% of global reserves, that would last us two years at current consumption, and that wouldn't even be sent to the U.S. market directly but rather sold to multinational companies with, at best, a miniscule reduction in aggregate prices, and at worst only the money from the original sale. Meanwhile, we have to subsidize the extraction of this oil and pay for the environmental degredation, I'm really not seeing the upside here.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"] so calm down, there are people in the world who are better off than you simply because they happen to be sitting on an endless gold mine. life goes on.theone86

Yes, 2% of global reserves, that would last us two years at current consumption, and that wouldn't even be sent to the U.S. market directly but rather sold to multinational companies with, at best, a miniscule reduction in aggregate prices, and at worst only the money from the original sale. Meanwhile, we have to subsidize the extraction of this oil and pay for the environmental degredation, I'm really not seeing the upside here.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"] so calm down, there are people in the world who are better off than you simply because they happen to be sitting on an endless gold mine. life goes on.theone86

Yes, 2% of global reserves, that would last us two years at current consumption, and that wouldn't even be sent to the U.S. market directly but rather sold to multinational companies with, at best, a miniscule reduction in aggregate prices, and at worst only the money from the original sale. Meanwhile, we have to subsidize the extraction of this oil and pay for the environmental degredation, I'm really not seeing the upside here.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="topsemag55"] The U.S. has a lot of oil, our problem is the Democrats in D.C. don't want it brought to refineries.Frame_Dragger

Yes, 2% of global reserves, that would last us two years at current consumption, and that wouldn't even be sent to the U.S. market directly but rather sold to multinational companies with, at best, a miniscule reduction in aggregate prices, and at worst only the money from the original sale. Meanwhile, we have to subsidize the extraction of this oil and pay for the environmental degredation, I'm really not seeing the upside here.

Yes, I forgot rule number one of American politics, it's always the hippies' fault.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Yes, 2% of global reserves, that would last us two years at current consumption, and that wouldn't even be sent to the U.S. market directly but rather sold to multinational companies with, at best, a miniscule reduction in aggregate prices, and at worst only the money from the original sale. Meanwhile, we have to subsidize the extraction of this oil and pay for the environmental degredation, I'm really not seeing the upside here.

Yes, I forgot rule number one of American politics, it's always the hippies' fault.

Everything economic on that list (and at least verifiable) will be around long after Gaddafi, as long as there remains a semi balance of order and stability. Oil is valuable, no matter who is in charge, and they will always be able to sell it. You're also missing the facts that unemployment was greater than 20% as of 2009, as well as there being at least 1 million people (out of 6.5 million) under the national poverty line. And don't discount the serious neglect of the eastern part of the country, which is where the uprising began.

Read more here and here.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="topsemag55"] The U.S. has a lot of oil, our problem is the Democrats in D.C. don't want it brought to refineries.Frame_Dragger

Yes, 2% of global reserves, that would last us two years at current consumption, and that wouldn't even be sent to the U.S. market directly but rather sold to multinational companies with, at best, a miniscule reduction in aggregate prices, and at worst only the money from the original sale. Meanwhile, we have to subsidize the extraction of this oil and pay for the environmental degredation, I'm really not seeing the upside here.

When considering the oil factor, bear in mind that oil is a strategic resource.

For NATO countries to keep Libyan oil out of the hands of economic rivals (i.e. China) is at least as important as getting their own chubby, blood-smeared little hands on it.

[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"] so calm down, there are people in the world who are better off than you simply because they happen to be sitting on an endless gold mine. life goes on.topsemag55

At our consumption rate the US doesn't have enough to cover its needs for more than a few years.

Update: Actually, what good timing. Like many things in life, things are not what they appear.

And most of the "things" on this list are apparently untrue.

That said, I don't know what everyone is trying to prove by regurgitating these points. It's safe to say that this uprising/insurrection/revolution/war (whatever you want to call it) was homegrown from the start, and it took everyone (even the west) by complete surprise. Obviously things were not well for many people.

Gaddaffi also randomly executed people while in charge. He killed off anybody he perceived as a threat and responsed to criticims by hanging his critics. He then forced traffic in tripoli to detour so they would have to pass by the dead bodies. His sons lived like kings while his people suffered. He had public executions done at soccer games on television - having those "convicted" on their knees, forced to beg for their life, then executed. That's probably why so many Libyans celebrated his ouster. Sure he may have made some good social moves, but the above is pretty much inexcusable.

Popular uprisings resulting in the death of the former head usually are not carried out in comfortable, utopian societies.Engrish_Major

Let's see if a socialist gov't works...

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Popular uprisings resulting in the death of the former head usually are not carried out in comfortable, utopian societies.weezyfb

Can you prove that? There isn't a lot of precedent for rebellions of this kind succeeding and that lack sufficient popular support. It doesn't have to be a majority (even the defending authority rarely has the majority support - there are a lot of fence sitters in any conflict), but still large enough to protect against attrition, organized enough to have a plan, and determined enough to have the collective will and mass movement to carry it out. Airstrikes and weapon drops are great and all, but they alone don't get the job done, and done in isolation, they often just make people angry.

Let's see if a socialist gov't works...

CaveJohnson1

Anything can work if you have a small population and oil, but read my first post on this page.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Yes, 2% of global reserves, that would last us two years at current consumption, and that wouldn't even be sent to the U.S. market directly but rather sold to multinational companies with, at best, a miniscule reduction in aggregate prices, and at worst only the money from the original sale. Meanwhile, we have to subsidize the extraction of this oil and pay for the environmental degredation, I'm really not seeing the upside here.

Stesilaus

When considering the oil factor, bear in mind that oil is a strategic resource.

For NATO countries to keep Libyan oil out of the hands of economic rivals (i.e. China) is at least as important as getting their own chubby, blood-smeared little hands on it.

That's so melodramatic... the EO was the major oil importer from Libya during Qaddafi's time in power, and there's no reason that would change now. China would have to spend enormous amounts of money and political capitol to engage in the region... it's no contest. As for the US, we banned import of their oil in the 80's, and only relaxed that a little during Bush W. when they stopped active WMD research. For all intents and purposes, there has been little interruption in oil supplies because of the nature of the conflict.

The only major change now is that people outside of the minority that were Qaddafi's tribe have a chance at getting their hands on oil revenue. As for China, they're more interested in Afghanistan's mineral wealth... you're looking in the wrong place.

80 foot laundry list of BS democrats have done + 80 foot laundry list of BS from the republicans = 160 foot list of why this country is on such a rapid decline. if only democrats would start a federal department to look into all of the needless laws and departmentsthen we could have the republicans omit some arbitrary group because of some "value" that seemingly went unspoken till now. that will so fix this nation.

Let's see if a socialist gov't works...

CaveJohnson1

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

Ilovegames1992

Some of those "priveleges" seem a bit exaggerated, from what I've read. It is true that the Libyan people was helped often bythe Libyan government who heavily subsidized the costs of necessities like food staples, housing, oil, while providing free medicalcare, free education, and even profit sharing.

Library of Congress and it's Country Study of Libya

Them people had it pretty good for a third-world country