Off The Books Hip Hop Draft (forget is OTC)

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#101 Colt45fool
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Nevermind... you got the GOAT. I stand corrected...elpooz
Just wait until my 2nd round pick...if all goes according to plan you guys are going to be lyrically ****ed.
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#102 Colt45fool
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btw pooz you're up again for the 2nd round
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#103 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Lol Producer, of course. :P
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#104 Colt45fool
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Lol Producer, of course. :PAljosa23
Just making sure :P I personally love RZA verses, but he's probably best used as a producer :P
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#105 elpooz
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I'm taking Erykah Badu as my vocalist.

Badu + Hill? Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn... you better have some serious **** up your sleeve colt :|.

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#106 elpooz
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I think we might be looking at the same person actually, Colt... judging from what you said about us being lyrically ****ed. Let's hope we don't... I'll have the dreamteam if I cop the person I have in mind.
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#107 mowz00
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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

I was hoping you guys would let him slip this much

 

2nd pick is Dr. Dre (producer)

 

Orlando_Magic

I was deciding between him and 3000 for my first round pick... I have no idea why some people were picking the producers they were picking over Dre...

because there is better out there at this time...maybe not the same legacy, but with some of the producers in the game right now, its like...dr. who?

edit...well actually, after looking at a few producers picked..you do have a point

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#108 mowz00
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GO WGE! I need to make my pick...you holdin up the line fool.
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#109 189245455704665724390135605497
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Ghostface Killah as a rapper obviously
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#110 Foolz3h
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[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

Is it too late for my pick? If not Kno (producer)! 8)

I haven't put enough thought into rappers yet, and yes I am fully aware that this probably isn't a good strategy. :P

Colt45fool

lol @ having two producers with similar sty|es :P

And also, to clear up any confusion HaSheeSh or elpooz may have, when you're picking you're trying to put the best possible five together, while also making sure they match in sty|e. For example, you wouldn't want Chamillionaire rhyming over 9th wonder beats...that just wouldn't sound right. You're both right actually, so let's not try to rag on elpooz for thinking he's right ;) Considering I'm sure he'll say his fair share of stupid things, and make his fair sure of stupid picks in this thread :)

I love you elpooz :-*

Similar? >_> I was thinking of more The Unseen type beats when I chose Madlib, which is extremely claustrophobic and frantic rather than laid back and relaxed.

But yeah, I'm not really putting much thought into this so oh well. :P I'm just picking a lot of what I'm liking at the moment.

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#112 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Ghostface Killah as a rapper obviouslyWorstGameEver
Ugh...:P

*Checks Ghost off list*

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#113 189245455704665724390135605497
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So whos picking Crooked I?Mkavanaugh77
lets hope no one
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#115 mowz00
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I pick...

Soulja Boy

 

 

kidding...

I pick...

Talib Kweli

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[QUOTE="WorstGameEver"][QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"]So whos picking Crooked I?Mkavanaugh77
lets hope no one

:|:|:|:|

It wouldn't make much sense. His discography is non-existant and all we would have to go on is skills and potential to drop a good album.
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#117 elpooz
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I pick...

Soulja Boy

 

 

kidding...

I pick...

Talib Kweli

mowz00

damn... got my 2nd choice for next rapper :(

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#118 NetYankEagle
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I pick...

Soulja Boy

 

 

kidding...

I pick...

Talib Kweli

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you ****
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#119 HaSheeSh_basic
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sorry if im late. Havnt been around for a minute, and since my phonte choice was ****ed (god, i needed him the most)...i havent thought much for an alternative.

Masta Ace (Rapper)

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#120 -Twilight-
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My next pick is going to have to be (rapper)...



My motivation? I guess you have to wait and see the rest of my picks. It's just a little callabo I'm sure I would enjoy.
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#121 Orlando_Magic
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I select the Notorious B.I.G.

 

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#122 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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My next pick is going to have to be (rapper)...



My motivation? I guess you have to wait and see the rest of my picks. It's just a little callabo I'm sure I would enjoy.-Twilight-
I hate you most of all. :(
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[QUOTE="-Twilight-"]My next pick is going to have to be (rapper)...



My motivation? I guess you have to wait and see the rest of my picks. It's just a little callabo I'm sure I would enjoy.Aljosa23
I hate you most of all. :(

**** man I got Black Milk so I could have Royce with him but I f'd around and grabbed Phonte

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#124 Orlando_Magic
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I have a pretty good idea of who Colt will pick next... let's see if I'm right after he picks:P
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#125 -Twilight-
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="-Twilight-"]My next pick is going to have to be (rapper)...



My motivation? I guess you have to wait and see the rest of my picks. It's just a little callabo I'm sure I would enjoy.tmac200913

I hate you most of all. :(

**** man I got Black Milk so I could have Royce with him but I f'd around and grabbed Phonte

Hi haters :D.
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#126 Colt45fool
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I have a pretty good idea of who Colt will pick next... let's see if I'm right after he picks:POrlando_Magic
You probably guessed it on point, but...

RAKIM THE GOD

How does Rakim fall to the 2nd round? Seriously, GOAT 8) Steal/10

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#127 Orlando_Magic
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You probably guessed it on point

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yep...

smh at some of the people being chosen over Rakim...

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#128 elpooz
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[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]I have a pretty good idea of who Colt will pick next... let's see if I'm right after he picks:PColt45fool

You probably guessed it on point, but...

 

RAKIM THE GOD

How does Rakim fall to the 2nd round? Seriously, GOAT 8) Steal/10

I ****ing hate you right now colt. Sooooo saw this coming....

Oh well... I still have one dude left. 

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#129 Colt45fool
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[QUOTE="Colt45fool"]

You probably guessed it on point

Orlando_Magic

yep...

smh at some of the people being chosen over Rakim...

word lol....same with biggie. if i see asher roth drafted in the next round im going to lol hard
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#130 Agnidev
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i think i know who colt's producer is gonna be
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#131 Colt45fool
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i think i know who colt's producer is gonna beAgnidev
lol, it wont be eric b. mayne. lmao

It's actually a HUGE surprise. You guys will never expect it, ever, in a million years. Well, you might but I highly doubt it.

I'm actually wavering between two different guys....two very different styles...would be a dream come true to hear Nas or Rakim over either of their beats....heck, I might take both....not really sure.

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BDK
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Lupe Fiasco
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#134 Orlando_Magic
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Now I'm wondering if someone has hacked Apoc's account because he still hasn't picked Eminem...

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#135 Apocalypse33
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Now I'm wondering if someone has hacked Apoc's account because he still hasn't picked Eminem...

Orlando_Magic
shh..........
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#136 Colt45fool
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Now I'm wondering if someone has hacked Apoc's account because he still hasn't picked Eminem...

Orlando_Magic
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#137 NetYankEagle
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i choose pre "Murs for president" Murs
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#138 muffincakes87
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Big L & GZA as my rappers.

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Big L & GZA as my rappers.

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Muffincakes squad = Big L, GZA, DJ Premier

Me = :(

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#140 HaSheeSh_basic
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we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappers
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#141 mowz00
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we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersHaSheeSh_basic

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

 

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[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersmowz00

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

I didint know we were allowed to

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[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersmowz00

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

 

We're supposed to drafting artists based on what they've already accomplished, aka their legacies, according to Colt. We're not supposed to be drafting as if we are starting a label tomorrow and trying to draft the best team of the future. He already clarified all of this in the initial thread. It's like drafting a dream team of Wilt Chamberlain, MJ, Magic Johnson, Bird, and Duncan... rather than a team of the future like Dwight, Durant, Paul, Wade, and Bron.

With that being said, drafting dead rappers/producers is perfectly fine.

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#144 mowz00
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[QUOTE="mowz00"]

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersOrlando_Magic

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

 

We're supposed to drafting artists based on what they've already accomplished, aka their legacies, according to Colt. We're not supposed to be drafting as if we are starting a label tomorrow and trying to draft the best team of the future. He already clarified all of this in the initial thread.

With that being said, drafting dead rappers/producers is perfectly fine.

hash and i both understand this...we just don't agree with it

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#145 Colt45fool
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[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="mowz00"]

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersmowz00

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

 

We're supposed to drafting artists based on what they've already accomplished, aka their legacies, according to Colt. We're not supposed to be drafting as if we are starting a label tomorrow and trying to draft the best team of the future. He already clarified all of this in the initial thread.

With that being said, drafting dead rappers/producers is perfectly fine.

hash and i both understand this...we just don't agree with it

Why's that? Would you rather draft based on future potential?

Because that could be an option, but how many rappers would we really be able to choose from? Sure, there are a ton of rappers out right now, but half of the draft would be full of unknown artists + how many of us really pay attention to rap that much that we can name 90 rappers with the potential to make a c|assic tommorow?

The reason why the previous draft was never finished was because people ran out of emcees to choose from. We choose the same style (dream team style) except with no vocalists, or producers. By the 3rd or 4th round the posters of OTB circa 2005 couldn't think of rappers they wanted to draft. Not that I'm knocking the community of OTB now, but idk if I'd say it's as educated on rap as well as the posters of 2005....especially since so many of you complain about the quality of threads, and discussion here nowadays.

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#146 mowz00
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[QUOTE="mowz00"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="mowz00"]

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersColt45fool

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

 

We're supposed to drafting artists based on what they've already accomplished, aka their legacies, according to Colt. We're not supposed to be drafting as if we are starting a label tomorrow and trying to draft the best team of the future. He already clarified all of this in the initial thread.

With that being said, drafting dead rappers/producers is perfectly fine.

hash and i both understand this...we just don't agree with it

Why's that? Would you rather draft based on future potential?

Because that could be an option, but how many rappers would we really be able to choose from? Sure, there are a ton of rappers out right now, but half of the draft would be full of unknown artists + how many of us really pay attention to rap that much that we can name 90 rappers with the potential to make a c|assic tommorow?

The reason why the previous draft was never finished was because people ran out of emcees to choose from. We choose the same style (dream team style) except with no vocalists, or producers. By the 3rd or 4th round the posters of OTB circa 2005 couldn't think of rappers they wanted to draft. Not that I'm knocking the community of OTB now, but idk if I'd say it's as educated on rap as well as the posters of 2005....especially since so many of you complain about the quality of threads, and discussion here nowadays.

I guess I agree with it...I just don't know how an artist like Big Boi for example could be compared with B.I.G. Big Boi still has a lot of potential whereas with B.I.G., what you get is what you got.

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[QUOTE="Colt45fool"][QUOTE="mowz00"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="mowz00"]

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersmowz00

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

 

We're supposed to drafting artists based on what they've already accomplished, aka their legacies, according to Colt. We're not supposed to be drafting as if we are starting a label tomorrow and trying to draft the best team of the future. He already clarified all of this in the initial thread.

With that being said, drafting dead rappers/producers is perfectly fine.

hash and i both understand this...we just don't agree with it

Why's that? Would you rather draft based on future potential?

Because that could be an option, but how many rappers would we really be able to choose from? Sure, there are a ton of rappers out right now, but half of the draft would be full of unknown artists + how many of us really pay attention to rap that much that we can name 90 rappers with the potential to make a c|assic tommorow?

The reason why the previous draft was never finished was because people ran out of emcees to choose from. We choose the same style (dream team style) except with no vocalists, or producers. By the 3rd or 4th round the posters of OTB circa 2005 couldn't think of rappers they wanted to draft. Not that I'm knocking the community of OTB now, but idk if I'd say it's as educated on rap as well as the posters of 2005....especially since so many of you complain about the quality of threads, and discussion here nowadays.

I guess I agree with it...I just don't know how an artist like Big Boi for example could be compared with B.I.G. Big Boi still has a lot of potential whereas with B.I.G., what you get is what you got.

big boi hasn't made a great album in like 8 years
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#148 mowz00
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[QUOTE="mowz00"][QUOTE="Colt45fool"][QUOTE="mowz00"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="mowz00"]

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersTheBigTicket21

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

 

We're supposed to drafting artists based on what they've already accomplished, aka their legacies, according to Colt. We're not supposed to be drafting as if we are starting a label tomorrow and trying to draft the best team of the future. He already clarified all of this in the initial thread.

With that being said, drafting dead rappers/producers is perfectly fine.

hash and i both understand this...we just don't agree with it

Why's that? Would you rather draft based on future potential?

Because that could be an option, but how many rappers would we really be able to choose from? Sure, there are a ton of rappers out right now, but half of the draft would be full of unknown artists + how many of us really pay attention to rap that much that we can name 90 rappers with the potential to make a c|assic tommorow?

The reason why the previous draft was never finished was because people ran out of emcees to choose from. We choose the same style (dream team style) except with no vocalists, or producers. By the 3rd or 4th round the posters of OTB circa 2005 couldn't think of rappers they wanted to draft. Not that I'm knocking the community of OTB now, but idk if I'd say it's as educated on rap as well as the posters of 2005....especially since so many of you complain about the quality of threads, and discussion here nowadays.

I guess I agree with it...I just don't know how an artist like Big Boi for example could be compared with B.I.G. Big Boi still has a lot of potential whereas with B.I.G., what you get is what you got.

big boi hasn't made a great album in like 8 years

it was just an example off the top of my head...and im talking about what could happen..not what has happened

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#149 elpooz
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[QUOTE="mowz00"]

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersOrlando_Magic

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

 

We're supposed to drafting artists based on what they've already accomplished, aka their legacies, according to Colt. We're not supposed to be drafting as if we are starting a label tomorrow and trying to draft the best team of the future. He already clarified all of this in the initial thread. It's like drafting a dream team of Wilt Chamberlain, MJ, Magic Johnson, Bird, and Duncan... rather than a team of the future like Dwight, Durant, Paul, Wade, and Bron.

With that being said, drafting dead rappers/producers is perfectly fine.

You fail for not putting Kobe or Lebron on that team of the future...

 

and

Big L + GZA + Premo isn't that great... Dope lineup but it can be beat if people put together some good matches. 

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#150 NetYankEagle
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my next pick is Pun