Serious discussion on the Cowboys.

Attempting a serious discussion on the 2012-13 Dallas Cowboys. Please post your thoughts, opinions and negligent hater comments below.

Dallas Cowboys 3-3 (1-0)

Offense ranking : 18
Run offense rank : 24
Pass offense rank : 11

Defense Ranking : 2
Run Defense rank : 12
Pass defense rank : 2

The Season so far :Dallas is 3-3 with losses to 2 division leaders and a good Seattle team (at home). After an impressive win week 1 vs the defending Super Bowl champs Dallas has looked like a bunch of chumps with mediocre written all over them. I will now break down every game in a short summary. inb4tldrlol

Week 1 : Dallas 24, Giants 17 : Romo starts of the game with a bad INT. Here we go again right? Not this time. Romo keeps his poise and delivers all night and throws for 307 yards with 3 tds and 1 int. Kevin Ogletree steps up with the loss of LaurentRobinson. Murray runs for 131 yards on the ground. Well balanced game offensively. Dallas biggest problem last year was their secondary. Everything seems right. Shutting down Cruz and Nicks, something they couldn't do at all last year. This might be the year for Dallas after all.

Week 2 : Seattle 27, Dallas 7 : Dallas steps onto the sidelines with confidence after week 1. They get punched in the mouth all day. The offense looks terrible and after so man 3 and outs the Defense can't hold in the 2nd half. Marshawn Lynch runs all over Dallas during the 2nd half, rushing for 122 yards. I haven't seen such a pathetic game in years. Back to reality as Dallas gets destroyed in Seattle.

Week 3 : Dallas 16, Tampa Bay 10 : Dallas offense once again looking awful. Convert in 1 of 5 TD chances in red zone. 13 penalties sure didn't help this one. Offensive line gets beaten up all day by Clayborn and McCoy. Murray rushes for a season low 2.1 average. Defense holds enough all game long and its good enough as Dallas holds on to a win. A win is a win, even if it was ugly.

Week 4 : Chicago 34, Dallas 18 : Where to start on this one? I guess we can all point the finger at Romo with his 5 ints. Really tho the whole team was complete trash. Oline once again looking one of the worst in the league. Murray disappearing again. Averaging a 2.2 ypc, hey he went up .1 from last week. Defense looks awful as Cutler has a near perfect game connecting to Marshall for 138 and 1 TD. Only good thing come out of this is a Jason Witten sighting, he finally looks healthy. Dallas now 2-2, showing no signs of greatness like we saw week 1.

Week 5 : Bye week

Week 6 : Baltimore 31, Dallas 29 : Dallas drops 481 total yards. Runs for 227 yards at Baltimore. Good enough for a win right? Wrong. Dallas once again shoots themselves in the foot with penalties, 13 to be exact. Al tho a lot were bs, you still have to find a way to win. Good teams do anyway. Dallas offense shows sign of balance for the first time since week 1. Dallas failed the chance to win the game by missing a 52 yard FG with 3 seconds left. However that is not the problem here. The problem is the time management fiasco shown by the offense and 2nd year POS coach Jason Garett. Dez Bryant dropping the 2 point conversion on the TD before then choosing to argue with the ref with 20 seconds left for some stupid reason. Dallas puts up numbers, fails to win. No one to blame here but themselves. A heart breaker nonetheless.

Week 7 : Dallas 19, Carolina 14 : Another 2 ypc game. Without Murray the Cowboys looked lost on the ground. Romo looks good as he puts up 271 and 1 TD but most importantly no turnovers. Defense does a good job all game long. Dallas once again missing TD opportunities and kicking FGs. Not too much to brag about here, but a win is a win is a win. They looked focus with only 6 penalties. A nice bounce back game after that debacle in Baltimore.

The Pros : Defense has stepped up, they are pretty good. They don't cause turnovers but they hold the line. Good enough. Romo seems to be back to his groove after that Bears game. Murray and Felix have shown flashes of a great duo. Both need to be healthy however. 6 home games left. 5 division games left. 1-0 in division, still control own destiny.

The Cons : Terrible offensive line. When they suck, they suck. Running for under 3 ypc in 2 games and not giving Romo enough time on a consistent basis. Most penalized team in the NFL. A head coach that no one is buying into. Inconsistent team, especially Dez Bryant. Tough schedule.

The Remaining Schedule :
Week 8 : vs Giants
Week 9 : @ Atlanta
Week 10 : @ Eagles
Week 11 : vs Cleveland
Week 12 : vs Washington
Week 13 : vs Eagles
Week 14 : @ Cincinnati
Week 15 : vs Pittsburgh
Week 16 : vs New Orleans
Week 17 : @ Washington

Tough schedule remaining as I said above. Only easy win I see is Cleveland. The rest of the games are gonna be hard to win. No one has a harder schedule than Dallas this year.

Dallas will win the division if : They stop with the penalties first and foremost. Need to drop to under 20th in league at least. They continue to run the ball successfully, use the combination of Murray and Felix. This relies heavily on the O-line improving. Romo doesn't throw away games. This also relies on the play calling. Keep it balanced Garett and learn to manage your time management.

Prediction : Sorry but I have seen nothing at all to tell me that Dallas is doing anything over 8-8. This team is just too inconsistent. Hopefully they prove me wrong but for now I am going with a 7-9 record and 8-8 at the highest. Prove me wrong Dallas.

Go ahead and tell me what you guys think of this years Cowboys. Try to not be a complete waste too.

It's just like years past. Talent is there, the wins are not. NFC East could still be up for grabs though, wouldn't be surprised to see them in the post season. monkeytoes61

Serious discussion on the Cowboys is not possible

[spoiler] because they're a joke! :lol: [/spoiler]

I think they may get a wildcard. Never know with this team...No_Hablo_Ingles

In the NFC you're going to need to be at least 10-6 to get a wildcard. I don't see that happening for Dallas with that schedule.

They arent good. Dont believe Jerry Jones and realize that they are at best an everage team. Not good enough to make the playoffs.

I think the Cowboys need a new coach. I just don't think Jason Garrett has everybodys attention in the locker room, and let's be honest-- the Cowboys have a pretty talented group of players. I think a lot of Dallas fan's take Tony Romo for granted-- yeah he's having a rough year, but statistically he is one of the best QBs. I think they need to find a coach that Romo can be much closer with, and trust as I've seen numerous times where Garrett was reluctant to set Romo loose.

Sure Romo can make some boneheaded plays, but remember folks John Elway didn't win his Super Bowl rings until the final two years in the NFL. I think Romo has all the tools to be an elite QB, but he needs to find a coach that will trust him. Look at the relationship between Rodgers-McCarthy, Brady-Belichick, Brees-Payton. I think the kid just needs a good coach that he can build around.

I see them possibly finishing 9-7 this year.

I think they may get a wildcard. Never know with this team...No_Hablo_Ingles

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]I think they may get a wildcard. Never know with this team...X360PS3AMD05

Superbowl bound imo

I think the Cowboys need a new coach. I just don't think Jason Garrett has everybodys attention in the locker room, and let's be honest-- the Cowboys have a pretty talented group of players. I think a lot of Dallas fan's take Tony Romo for granted-- yeah he's having a rough year, but statistically he is one of the best QBs. I think they need to find a coach that Romo can be much closer with, and trust as I've seen numerous times where Garrett was reluctant to set Romo loose.

Sure Romo can make some boneheaded plays, but remember folks John Elway didn't win his Super Bowl rings until the final two years in the NFL. I think Romo has all the tools to be an elite QB, but he needs to find a coach that will trust him. Look at the relationship between Rodgers-McCarthy, Brady-Belichick, Brees-Payton. I think the kid just needs a good coach that he can build around.

I see them possibly finishing 9-7 this year.

mjf249

I agree with everything you said. Last year Garett refused to let Romo play his game at certain points. Especially when having the lead. Garett is an awful coach imo.

It's just like years past. Talent is there, the wins are not. NFC East could still be up for grabs though, wouldn't be surprised to see them in the post season. monkeytoes61

Agreed....even though I'm not a big Cowboy I do like watching them play. Ironically I should be making a thread about my Dum A$# Ravens cause the Cowboys gave a game away to them!!

[QUOTE="mjf249"]

I think the Cowboys need a new coach. I just don't think Jason Garrett has everybodys attention in the locker room, and let's be honest-- the Cowboys have a pretty talented group of players. I think a lot of Dallas fan's take Tony Romo for granted-- yeah he's having a rough year, but statistically he is one of the best QBs. I think they need to find a coach that Romo can be much closer with, and trust as I've seen numerous times where Garrett was reluctant to set Romo loose.

Sure Romo can make some boneheaded plays, but remember folks John Elway didn't win his Super Bowl rings until the final two years in the NFL. I think Romo has all the tools to be an elite QB, but he needs to find a coach that will trust him. Look at the relationship between Rodgers-McCarthy, Brady-Belichick, Brees-Payton. I think the kid just needs a good coach that he can build around.

I see them possibly finishing 9-7 this year.

Put_in_Kitna

I agree with everything you said. Last year Garett refused to let Romo play his game at certain points. Especially when having the lead. Garett is an awful coach imo.

Yeah, Romo is not perfect but he does catch the heat unfairly sometimes!!!

Talent is there, the wins are not. monkeytoes61

The Cowboys do not have talent, they're easily the least talented team in the NFCEast

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]Talent is there, the wins are not. Jaysonguy

The Cowboys do not have talent, they're easily the least talented team in the NFCEast

:lol:

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]Talent is there, the wins are not. Put_in_Kitna

The Cowboys do not have talent, they're easily the least talented team in the NFCEast

:lol:

If you're unable to have a conversation about the Cowboys while keeping your emotions in check perhaps you shouldn't have labeled it a "serious" discussion.

The Giants, Eagles, and Redskins all have better rosters.

The idea that the Cowboys are this talent packed team that just make mistakes at crucial times is pure bull.

The Cowboys don't have a single player who is best at their position in the NFCEast.

Their offense is a mess with only four NFC teams doing worse rushing the ball in the and their passing game is nil with their positives and negatives cancelling each other out.

On the defensive side of the ball they're paper tigers doing nothing remarkable. Only two teams do worse when it comes to defending the opposing teams QB and their ability to stop the rush is middle of the road at best.

Parcells left the Cowboys ready to win in 2006, that was six years ago.

It's time to understand that the Cowboys are a mediocre team that have no business being included with teams who are actually in title contention.

[QUOTE="Put_in_Kitna"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The Cowboys do not have talent, they're easily the least talented team in the NFCEast

Jaysonguy

:lol:

If you're unable to have a conversation about the Cowboys while keeping your emotions in check perhaps you shouldn't have labeled it a "serious" discussion.

The Giants, Eagles, and Redskins all have better rosters.

The idea that the Cowboys are this talent packed team that just make mistakes at crucial times is pure bull.

The Cowboys don't have a single player who is best at their position in the NFCEast.

Their offense is a mess with only four NFC teams doing worse rushing the ball in the and their passing game is nil with their positives and negatives cancelling each other out.

On the defensive side of the ball they're paper tigers doing nothing remarkable. Only two teams do worse when it comes to defending the opposing teams QB and their ability to stop the rush is middle of the road at best.

Parcells left the Cowboys ready to win in 2006, that was six years ago.

It's time to understand that the Cowboys are a mediocre team that have no business being included with teams who are actually in title contention.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Put_in_Kitna"]

:lol:

Bobbles

If you're unable to have a conversation about the Cowboys while keeping your emotions in check perhaps you shouldn't have labeled it a "serious" discussion.

The Giants, Eagles, and Redskins all have better rosters.

The idea that the Cowboys are this talent packed team that just make mistakes at crucial times is pure bull.

The Cowboys don't have a single player who is best at their position in the NFCEast.

Their offense is a mess with only four NFC teams doing worse rushing the ball in the and their passing game is nil with their positives and negatives cancelling each other out.

On the defensive side of the ball they're paper tigers doing nothing remarkable. Only two teams do worse when it comes to defending the opposing teams QB and their ability to stop the rush is middle of the road at best.

Parcells left the Cowboys ready to win in 2006, that was six years ago.

It's time to understand that the Cowboys are a mediocre team that have no business being included with teams who are actually in title contention.

Impressive argument there.

You do not make yourself look bad at all by being unable to discuss the subject.

Impressive argument there.

You do not make yourself look bad at all by being unable to discuss the subject.

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Impressive argument there.

You do not make yourself look bad at all by being unable to discuss the subject.

No_Hablo_Ingles

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Impressive argument there.

You do not make yourself look bad at all by being unable to discuss the subject.

Bobbles

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Impressive argument there.

You do not make yourself look bad at all by being unable to discuss the subject.

No_Hablo_Ingles

Fine, I'll grant you Ware if you want to count him as strictly an OLB.

If we label him as a hybrid that can play OLD/DE there's a certain fellow on the Giants that is more disruptive with less opportunities.

[QUOTE="Put_in_Kitna"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The Cowboys do not have talent, they're easily the least talented team in the NFCEast

Jaysonguy

:lol:

If you're unable to have a conversation about the Cowboys while keeping your emotions in check perhaps you shouldn't have labeled it a "serious" discussion.

The Giants, Eagles, and Redskins all have better rosters.

The idea that the Cowboys are this talent packed team that just make mistakes at crucial times is pure bull.

The Cowboys don't have a single player who is best at their position in the NFCEast.

Their offense is a mess with only four NFC teams doing worse rushing the ball in the and their passing game is nil with their positives and negatives cancelling each other out.

On the defensive side of the ball they're paper tigers doing nothing remarkable. Only two teams do worse when it comes to defending the opposing teams QB and their ability to stop the rush is middle of the road at best.

Parcells left the Cowboys ready to win in 2006, that was six years ago.

It's time to understand that the Cowboys are a mediocre team that have no business being included with teams who are actually in title contention.

The thing is sometimes when someone posts somethign so ridiculous theres just one thing to post. ---->:lol:

No emotions here guy. Everyone came in here and posted their honest opinions, all were pretty accurate (cept that one waste who loves reruns). You however came in here an made a few people laugh. Your opinion is simply full of ignorance. Guess it makes sense. 90 percent of your posts usually are. You have like 30k posts and ive never really seen you post anything significant that wasnt complete garbage.

You like to stand out. I get it. Come in here and type in paragraphs and post wild stuff making it seem like you know what you are talking about. However every line I read gets more and more laughable.

The idea of the cowboys having talent yet making mistake at crucial times comes from the results themselves. Top 5 in total offensive yards every year, top 15-20 in points scored. They drive down field, then screw up it up with penalties. This is proven by their high ranking in penalties. Currently number 1 in penalties. If you watch the games you would know this. Cowboys are nothing but a self-destruct team. If you watched the Ravens game you would of known this. You didn't tho.

Not one player best at his position?:lol: The single most cowboy hater just came in here and laughed at you. I don't even need to name names anymore.

Paper champions eh? Ranked 2 in the league on defense. Pretty crazy for a team who turns the ball over so much and goes 3 and out. Have to right with such a messy offense. Not sure by what you mean on them being bad at stopping opposing quarterbacks. Must be running because they are 2nd in passing defense. Oh no. They aren't that good defending the run on QBs? Watch out everyone. They are in trouble. Can't wait till teams start to gameplan against the Cowboys. "All right QB this is the game plan....you run it! All day on them!":lol:

Parcells?:lol: Dallas was better with Wade believe it or not. Damn when was the last time you saw a Cowboys game again?

And who's better than Witten? Bobbles

Oh dear.....

Are you *(#$@*(#@ serious? lol

Really?

The NFCEast is full of quality TE's but the bottom of that list is still the bottom and that's exactly where Witten is this season.

He's in his tenth season? Yeah just looked, it's his tenth.

He's outplayed by his counterpart on every single other team. He's overpowered or outmaneuvered when staying in to block, his days of stretching the field for a TE are gone, and he doesn't have the physical ability to dominate like he used to.

To put it plainly the rest of the NFCEast caught up.

That's not to say that he's not a valuable member of the Cowboys but his days of dominating are long gone.

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]And who's better than Witten? Jaysonguy

Oh dear.....

Are you *(#$@*(#@ serious? lol

Really?

The NFCEast is full of quality TE's but the bottom of that list is still the bottom and that's exactly where Witten is this season.

He's in his tenth season? Yeah just looked, it's his tenth.

He's outplayed by his counterpart on every single other team. He's overpowered or outmaneuvered when staying in to block, his days of stretching the field for a TE are gone, and he doesn't have the physical ability to dominate like he used to.

To put it plainly the rest of the NFCEast caught up.

That's not to say that he's not a valuable member of the Cowboys but his days of dominating are long gone.

Paper champions eh? Ranked 2 in the league on defense.

Put_in_Kitna

Yeah see? This is the disconnect with you, maybe a large majority of Cowboy fans who think they're primed for a title run too.

You just see the "overall 2" and think that everything is fine, must be those darn pesky penalties every single possible time.

What you fail to see are things like the passer rating of the opposing QB or the amount of yardage per play on the ground.

Hey that's fine, you want to be delusional about your team it's your right.

[QUOTE="Put_in_Kitna"]

Paper champions eh? Ranked 2 in the league on defense.

Jaysonguy

Yeah see? This is the disconnect with you, maybe a large majority of Cowboy fans who think they're primed for a title run too.

You just see the "overall 2" and think that everything is fine, must be those darn pesky penalties every single possible time.

What you fail to see are things like the passer rating of the opposing QB or the amount of yardage per play on the ground.

Hey that's fine, you want to be delusional about your team it's your right.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]And who's better than Witten? Bobbles

Oh dear.....

Are you *(#$@*(#@ serious? lol

Really?

The NFCEast is full of quality TE's but the bottom of that list is still the bottom and that's exactly where Witten is this season.

He's in his tenth season? Yeah just looked, it's his tenth.

He's outplayed by his counterpart on every single other team. He's overpowered or outmaneuvered when staying in to block, his days of stretching the field for a TE are gone, and he doesn't have the physical ability to dominate like he used to.

To put it plainly the rest of the NFCEast caught up.

That's not to say that he's not a valuable member of the Cowboys but his days of dominating are long gone.

Have you not followed the Cowboys since the mid 2000's? Is that the problem?

Right now (not years ago when you last saw a game) Bennett is much better in the red zone and Celek and Davis are better at stretching the field by beating their defenders.

Also you cannot watch a Cowboys game and not see Witten struggle when it comes to blocking.

Would you also like to blame penalties for Witten not being the cream of the crop anymore? That seems to be the popular thing for explaining all the problems the Cowboys have.

[QUOTE="Put_in_Kitna"]

Paper champions eh? Ranked 2 in the league on defense.

Jaysonguy

Yeah see? This is the disconnect with you, maybe a large majority of Cowboy fans who think they're primed for a title run too.

You just see the "overall 2" and think that everything is fine, must be those darn pesky penalties every single possible time.

What you fail to see are things like the passer rating of the opposing QB or the amount of yardage per play on the ground.

Hey that's fine, you want to be delusional about your team it's your right.

And you ignored everything else, what a guy. Title run you say?:lol: Cowboys are mediocore. They are a 8-8 team at best right now. I posted this on the first post. Do you read anything? Or are your long posts the only one you read?

I watch the games. The penalties are there. They aren't being ignored. They allowed 3 tds to the Ravens that were penalty based. Last week they did the same thing. Number 1 in 3rd down penalties. The question has to be asked again. Do you watch the games?

Passer rating?:lol: The cowboys don't intercept the ball. Their defense lacks that for sure. They also don't give up big plays. So quarterbacks move the ball a bit, get their nice dink and dunks. Making their stats look good. Guess what? They also don't score very much. They do what they do just fine. Don't care how good the stats look for opposing quarterbacks. They are 2nd in passing defense. How good must those quarterbacks look?:lol:

Hey that's fine. You base your report on nfl.com/stats. I watch the games, look at stats that backup my theory. The eye theory.

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Impressive argument there.

You do not make yourself look bad at all by being unable to discuss the subject.

Jaysonguy

Fine, I'll grant you Ware if you want to count him as strictly an OLB.

If we label him as a hybrid that can play OLD/DE there's a certain fellow on the Giants that is more disruptive with less opportunities.

It's real hard to root for this team. Mainly because I KNOW they can be an elite franchise on the field, not just being popular due to the star on their helmets.

It's been missing for years. They don't have a killer instinct or they can't finish off teams. They always play down to lesser teams level. When things go wrong... turnovers... they come in bunches. Romo IS a damn good quarterback. They have all the talent in the world but they just can't put it together.

They can't finish off teams towards the end which is why they are an 8-8 team, when they SHOULD be like 12-4.

Gotta be honest. I would take davis over witten right now. But witten is still awesome and not really fair since he is much older.

And ya, jayson is a loser.

It's real hard to root for this team. Mainly because I KNOW they can be an elite franchise on the field, not just being popular due to the star on their helmets.

It's been missing for years. They don't have a killer instinct or they can't finish off teams. They always play down to lesser teams level. When things go wrong... turnovers... they come in bunches. Romo IS a damn good quarterback. They have all the talent in the world but they just can't put it together.

They can't finish off teams towards the end which is why they are an 8-8 team, when they SHOULD be like 12-4.

Major_Snake

[QUOTE="Major_Snake"]

It's real hard to root for this team. Mainly because I KNOW they can be an elite franchise on the field, not just being popular due to the star on their helmets.

It's been missing for years. They don't have a killer instinct or they can't finish off teams. They always play down to lesser teams level. When things go wrong... turnovers... they come in bunches. Romo IS a damn good quarterback. They have all the talent in the world but they just can't put it together.

They can't finish off teams towards the end which is why they are an 8-8 team, when they SHOULD be like 12-4.

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Major_Snake"]

It's real hard to root for this team. Mainly because I KNOW they can be an elite franchise on the field, not just being popular due to the star on their helmets.

It's been missing for years. They don't have a killer instinct or they can't finish off teams. They always play down to lesser teams level. When things go wrong... turnovers... they come in bunches. Romo IS a damn good quarterback. They have all the talent in the world but they just can't put it together.

They can't finish off teams towards the end which is why they are an 8-8 team, when they SHOULD be like 12-4.

Bobbles

Get rid of Garrett who was inconsistent even before he became head coach.

Honeslty I think they missed there opportunities and it doesn't help that the other teams in the divison have young talent too. Plus too many distractions in that team especially with what happened with Dez. Lastly, they suck at December (which is always entertaining to watch) minus that one year where they beat the Eagles twice in a row (:lol: Eagles).

Demarcus Ware is the only consistent player in that roster. Witten is great but I think he's not as good as he was 5 years ago.The rest have there wtf moments from time to time.

Oh and obligatory :lol: at Cowboys.

The Cowboys don't have a single player who is best at their position in the NFCEast.

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The Cowboys don't have a single player who is best at their position in the NFCEast.

jg4xchamp

While comparing me to Jesus Christ is a compliment I do have to say that he does rank above me.

I'm simply good at breaking down data and seeing facts, unlike someone's feelings or "gut".

Boy does Witten look washed up. Oh man. He looks so baaaaaad.:roll:

Boy does Witten look washed up. Oh man. He looks so baaaaaad.:roll:

Put_in_Kitna

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The Cowboys don't have a single player who is best at their position in the NFCEast.

Jaysonguy

While comparing me to Jesus Christ is a compliment I do have to say that he does rank above me.

I'm simply good at breaking down data and seeing facts, unlike someone's feelings or "gut".

They suck balls whats to discuss?

Boy does Witten look washed up. Oh man. He looks so baaaaaad.:roll:

Put_in_Kitna

Whole team is washed up. Wow did Hurricane Sandy hit them?:lol: