Poll DH in NL Pitcher batting in AL or the system we have now

acutally it all started with the pitcher hitting

so in al and nl it was no such thing as dh

and  i rather have it is now

The DH is gimmick and it should be removed.  The NL is pure baseball.murlow12

so is nl is a gimmick... :roll:

but i like the hd why?

1. pitching dosent have as much of a chance to get hurt

2. chaningin something now would be stupid

3. next time look up gimmick and tell me what it MEANS

I like the DH too, because pitchers are usually having all kinds of trouble making a hit, only very few pitchers are able to make a descent hit. I like the fact they can put in an experienced hitter on DH.

The fact that it keeps your pitchers a little saver is also a big plus.

The DH is gimmick and it should be removed. The NL is pure baseball.murlow12

It seems like a gimmick to me too, just a method of giving the guys who can hit but can not play inf the field consistently some more time.  Not every team uses it that way of course but still it seems awfully artificial.  My team is in the AL and I'd rather see them dump the DH.

you know what a gimmick is NO GO LOOK IT UP

I really don't see the point of a DH except for a player that does not want to play defense. If the AL got rid of DH's a lot of great players that are DH"s like David Ortiz will produced weaker stats. I like the system as it is. Or another option is that every team bats 10. rocket9434

if that the case they put him at first base. than late innings just switch...

[QUOTE="rocket9434"]I really don't see the point of a DH except for a player that does not want to play defense. If the AL got rid of DH's a lot of great players that are DH"s like David Ortiz will produced weaker stats. I like the system as it is. Or another option is that every team bats 10. wavebrid

if that the case they put him at first base. than late innings just switch...

Yeah, plenty of AL teams already put their power hitter at 1st base and use the DH for other things.  As it is most teams expect some good hitting production out of their 1st baseman.  There wouldn't be a big exodus of players I don't think, just some adjustments if the DH was eliminated.

Most pitchers can't put together an actual swing, and you really want to see more of that.

I mean, the DH is usually a good hitter at least, usually a power hitter too, personally I'd rather see an old DH hit, not a pitcher that has to bunt nearly all the time.

This is why I just can't get into watching the AL.  There's no strategy involved.  No double switches or sac bunts.  You don't take into account the pitcher's spot in the lineup, and what player you choose as your pinch hitter. 

But I don't think that the system is going to change anytime soon just because it's been around for a while, and a lot of owners would have to approve of a change.  I don't think many AL team owners would be happy with it.

I've never liked the DH rule because it goes against the first objective of baseball (mlb.com):

Official Rules:
1.00 Objectives of the Game

1.01
Baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each, under direction of a manager, played on an enclosed field in accordance with these rules, under jurisdiction of one or more umpires.

I've never liked the DH rule because it goes against the first objective of baseball (mlb.com):

Official Rules:
1.00 Objectives of the Game

1.01
Baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each, under direction of a manager, played on an enclosed field in accordance with these rules, under jurisdiction of one or more umpires.

 

 

 

Smaqaho

:? were i see nothing in that

[QUOTE="Smaqaho"]

I've never liked the DH rule because it goes against the first objective of baseball (mlb.com):

Official Rules:
1.00 Objectives of the Game

1.01
Baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each, under direction of a manager, played on an enclosed field in accordance with these rules, under jurisdiction of one or more umpires.

 

 

 

wavebrid

:? were i see nothing in that

A DH means that 10 players on each team play at a time, not 9.

i cant believe so many people hate the fact that the AL has a dh, maybe im spoiled/biased because of david ortiz but seriously pitchers usually dont hit or do anything, why would u want to see that every time they get up??BeanTownBrown86

but it's pretty exciting seeing the pitcher rip an unexpected RBI single into the field.  also it gives the AL an unfair advantage over the NL, sure the NL gets to use a DH when they come into an AL park, but they don't have a roster spot specifically filled just for the use of DH. 

[QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="Smaqaho"]

I've never liked the DH rule because it goes against the first objective of baseball (mlb.com):

Official Rules:
1.00 Objectives of the Game

1.01
Baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each, under direction of a manager, played on an enclosed field in accordance with these rules, under jurisdiction of one or more umpires.

 

 

 

duxup

:? were i see nothing in that

A DH means that 10 players on each team play at a time, not 9.

all teams have more than 10 players you count bullpen plus bench hitters as well :roll:

i hate DH so much, it ruins the game. badaboom187

not it dosent

all teams have more than 10 players you count bullpen plus bench hitters as well :roll:

wavebrid

Really? :roll: 

If you're just going to selectively ignore what people are saying and state random facts, don't post.  You know what Smaqaho was getting at.  If you seriously don't, read it again.

[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

all teams have more than 10 players you count bullpen plus bench hitters as well :roll:

duxup

Really? :roll: 

If you're just going to selectively ignore what people are saying and state random facts, don't post.  You know what Smaqaho was getting at.  If you seriously don't, read it again.

random facts yea alright :| you know your wrong period

i did and dont talk to me like that again if you cant accpet the truth not my problem

Btw i umpire baseball as well so  i know what im talking about also

http://eteamz.active.com/baseball/boards/baseball/message.cfm?id=1902575

they do too.

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

all teams have more than 10 players you count bullpen plus bench hitters as well :roll:

wavebrid

Really? :roll:

If you're just going to selectively ignore what people are saying and state random facts, don't post. You know what Smaqaho was getting at. If you seriously don't, read it again.

random facts yea alright :| you know your wrong period

i did and dont talk to me like that again if you cant accpet the truth not my problem

Btw i umpire baseball as well so i know what im talking about also

http://eteamz.active.com/baseball/boards/baseball/message.cfm?id=1902575

they do too.

Nobody is arguing that the DH is against the rules.

Did you really think we didn't know people could pinch hit or other pitches could come from the bull pen?

As I read Smaqaho's post I believe he took issue with the DH as you had 10 players playing at the same time, where the rules indicate that 9. A pinch hitter or new pitcher still keeps just 9 players playing at a time.

I guess I could just respond in your way and act like I'm informing you that that pinch hitters and pitchers from the pen actually replace a player and roll my eyes, but you know that.  Just like we know about pinch hitters and pitchers.

[QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

all teams have more than 10 players you count bullpen plus bench hitters as well :roll:

duxup

Really? :roll:

If you're just going to selectively ignore what people are saying and state random facts, don't post. You know what Smaqaho was getting at. If you seriously don't, read it again.

random facts yea alright :| you know your wrong period

i did and dont talk to me like that again if you cant accpet the truth not my problem

Btw i umpire baseball as well so i know what im talking about also

http://eteamz.active.com/baseball/boards/baseball/message.cfm?id=1902575

they do too.

Nobody is arguing that the DH is against the rules.

Did you really think we didn't know people could pinch hit or other pitches could come from the bull pen?

As I read Smaqaho's post I believe he took issue with the DH as you had 10 players playing at the same time, where the rules indicate that 9. A pinch hitter or new pitcher still keeps just 9 players playing at a time.

I guess I could just respond in your way and act like I'm informing you that that pinch hitters and pitchers from the pen actually replace a player and roll my eyes, but you know that.  Just like we know about pinch hitters and pitchers.

yes you guys did :|

and let me do this since you guys all have a hard to couting

1.Julio Lugo.650 OPS as #1 batter (199 PA)Coco Crisp (19)2.Kevin Youkilis1.023 OPS as #2 batter (156 PA)Coco Crisp (41)3.David Ortiz1.032 OPS as #3 batter (202 PA)Kevin Youkilis (5)4.Manny Ramirez.739 OPS as #4 batter (196 PA)Wily Mo Pena (4)5.J.D. Drew.680 OPS as #5 batter (157 PA)Kevin Youkilis (27)6.Mike Lowell.963 OPS as #6 batter (177 PA)Jason Varitek (12)7.Jason Varitek.780 OPS as #7 batter (133 PA)Coco Crisp (33)8.Coco Crisp.626 OPS as #8 batter (74 PA)Wily Mo Pena (44)9.Dustin Pedroia

so where is the 10th spot thats right not there :roll:

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

all teams have more than 10 players you count bullpen plus bench hitters as well :roll:

wavebrid

Really? :roll:

If you're just going to selectively ignore what people are saying and state random facts, don't post. You know what Smaqaho was getting at. If you seriously don't, read it again.

random facts yea alright :| you know your wrong period

i did and dont talk to me like that again if you cant accpet the truth not my problem

Btw i umpire baseball as well so i know what im talking about also

http://eteamz.active.com/baseball/boards/baseball/message.cfm?id=1902575

they do too.

Nobody is arguing that the DH is against the rules.

Did you really think we didn't know people could pinch hit or other pitches could come from the bull pen?

As I read Smaqaho's post I believe he took issue with the DH as you had 10 players playing at the same time, where the rules indicate that 9. A pinch hitter or new pitcher still keeps just 9 players playing at a time.

I guess I could just respond in your way and act like I'm informing you that that pinch hitters and pitchers from the pen actually replace a player and roll my eyes, but you know that. Just like we know about pinch hitters and pitchers.

yes you guys did :|

and let me do this since you guys all have a hard to couting

1.Julio Lugo.650 OPS as #1 batter (199 PA)Coco Crisp (19)2.Kevin Youkilis1.023 OPS as #2 batter (156 PA)Coco Crisp (41)3.David Ortiz1.032 OPS as #3 batter (202 PA)Kevin Youkilis (5)4.Manny Ramirez.739 OPS as #4 batter (196 PA)Wily Mo Pena (4)5.J.D. Drew.680 OPS as #5 batter (157 PA)Kevin Youkilis (27)6.Mike Lowell.963 OPS as #6 batter (177 PA)Jason Varitek (12)7.Jason Varitek.780 OPS as #7 batter (133 PA)Coco Crisp (33)8.Coco Crisp.626 OPS as #8 batter (74 PA)Wily Mo Pena (44)9.Dustin Pedroia

so where is the 10th spot thats right not there :roll:

So who's pitching? Coco? Manny? Ortiz?

And I also think they should ditch the DH.  I love seeing pitchers get a suprise RBI!  And laughing at the ones who come up to the plate with a .005 batting average! 

and let me do this since you guys all have a hard to couting

1.Julio Lugo.650 OPS as #1 batter (199 PA)Coco Crisp (19)2.Kevin Youkilis1.023 OPS as #2 batter (156 PA)Coco Crisp (41)3.David Ortiz1.032 OPS as #3 batter (202 PA)Kevin Youkilis (5)4.Manny Ramirez.739 OPS as #4 batter (196 PA)Wily Mo Pena (4)5.J.D. Drew.680 OPS as #5 batter (157 PA)Kevin Youkilis (27)6.Mike Lowell.963 OPS as #6 batter (177 PA)Jason Varitek (12)7.Jason Varitek.780 OPS as #7 batter (133 PA)Coco Crisp (33)8.Coco Crisp.626 OPS as #8 batter (74 PA)Wily Mo Pena (44)9.Dustin Pedroia

so where is the 10th spot thats right not there :roll:wavebrid

Among the 9 players listed, there is no pitcher. You must only follow tee-ball to forget that a pitcher must be on a team's starting roster.

A starting roster in the NL has 9 players. These 9 players all bat and play defense.

A starting roster in the AL has 10 players. 8 of these 10 players bat and play defense. Of the remaining 2 players, 1 exclusively bats and the other exclusively plays defense.

As is clearly obvious, one of these setups is in accordance with the first objective of baseball and one is not.

For further reading, check out the wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_hitter#The_rule

Pitchers batting is a waste of time. DH can bring an extra player like David Ortiz to allow more scoring(fan favorite) while saving a tired pitcher from getting hurt.  Low scoring hurts US sports like Soccor and Hockey.

There's no need for the DH other than to let former position players on the latter end of the careers choose which team to retire on.-Dionysus-

[QUOTE="-Dionysus-"]There's no need for the DH other than to let former position players on the latter end of the careers choose which team to retire on.peacebringer

Exactly, that's not even baseball, it's only one aspect of it. No DH should even be mentioned in MVP voting ever.

Furthermore, name me more than 3 above average pure DH's currently to justify the position? I'll give you Ortiz, Hafner, and Frank Thomas (and he's horrible right now). Every other DH either plays another position now, or played the majority of their career at another position and switched because they're lazy or can't handle the full aspects of baseball anymore.  

I personally think having the pitcher bat is a waste BeanTownBrown86

thats stupid the dh should be eliminated completely. the only good thing that it does is it allows players to extend their career another year or two and also lets players like ortiz not have to play a positiion and then have people talk about how great of a player he is when all he ever has to do is practice batting. until he gets his fata.ss on the field i dont think he should ever even be considered for an mvpsoundsofsulfur

He can play 1st base and does once and a while.

DH = more points, more points = higher ratings.

[QUOTE="soundsofsulfur"]thats stupid the dh should be eliminated completely. the only good thing that it does is it allows players to extend their career another year or two and also lets players like ortiz not have to play a positiion and then have people talk about how great of a player he is when all he ever has to do is practice batting. until he gets his fata.ss on the field i dont think he should ever even be considered for an mvpAgileNate

He can play 1st base and does once and a while.

DH = more points, more points = higher ratings.

Do you have any data to back that up?