So Dragon Age is severely dumbed down for consoles?

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#1 UT_Wrestler
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Last month, Game Informer gave Dragon Age a 9.0 for the pc, and then in the issue I just got today, it got an 8.0 for consoles. It basically said that the gameplay is dumbed down for the consoles. Do you think it's still an enjoyable game for someone who can only get it on a console?

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Sure why not. I found it to be a fantastic game and would most certainly recommend to anyone regardless of the platform they get it on.

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If you enjoyed the games Bioware put out on the Xbox last gen, this is as good as any of those. If you didn't, well then best to avoid it.
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The graphics have taken a hit (althought it isn't as bad as some people might think). I've also heard the gameplay on the consoles is easier (due to the lack of keyboard I'd presume). My friend who has it on PC and rented it for PS3 marked a notable difference and he actually said the PC version was way more difficult,(and this guy's a strategic genius so...
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Yeah that's what the GI issue's beef was with the console version, they said they made it almost too easy to compensate for the lack of a keyboard rather than properly adapt it for the consoles. But if you guys think it's just as good as any of Bioware's previous console games, I'll definitely have to pick it up on Black Friday when I can get it at Best Buy for 35 bucks.
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Yeah that's what the GI issue's beef was with the console version, they said they made it almost too easy to compensate for the lack of a keyboard rather than properly adapt it for the consoles. But if you guys think it's just as good as any of Bioware's previous console games, I'll definitely have to pick it up on Black Friday when I can get it at Best Buy for 35 bucks.UT_Wrestler
I didn't think any of their games last gen on the Xbox were very challenging at all, honestly. But this one also has a more refined morality system, (less of the blatant either be a super saint or a baby eating monster stuff) and simply seems to be have a much richer game world, and by all estimates, takes much longer to actually finish and see everything. Though to be honest, I have in fact died a few times already.
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That's why you should get into PC Gaming ;). You don't have to give up your console and the PC has a better gaming experience in many games and you also get to brag about your kickass gaming rig! :D

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Gimped enough that I returned my 360 copy and got it for my PC instead.

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I have it for pc and 360 and am personally going through it on 360 and dont see anything wrong with it.
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the gameplay is dumbed down for the consoles. Do you think it's still an enjoyable game for someone who can only get it on a consoleUT_Wrestler

Are you kidding me? Games are meant to be dumbed down for consoles, infact i cant believe the pc version is not dumbed down too.

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I have the PS3 version and it's great. It does not have a birds eye view and going through the menu system can be a pain, but it's still a solid experience. I think some PC gamers are just nit-picking about the differences with this game.

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Play on the platform that suits you best. A differing review score should not put you off a game on a particular platform, unless there are serious issues with that version.

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I've got it on 360 and can honestly say that I enjoy the game. I think "severely dumbed down" is an internet comparison where nobody knows moderation and the only reaction/opinion worth writing or expressing is the extreme one.

To me, DA is the hardest console game from Bio-Ware. If this is severely dumbed down than i'd flip it and say the PC version is probably overly complex and difficult.

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I have the PS3 version and it's great. It does not have a birds eye view and going through the menu system can be a pain, but it's still a solid experience. I think some PC gamers are just nit-picking about the differences with this game.

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It's not nitpicking. The graphics and controls are better and the difficulties are different. On consoles you have to raise the difficulty so that friendly fire on spells is possible, on PC the game starts off that way, you have to lower the difficulty to not bomb your own characters with spells. so Normal on Consoles is Easy on PC
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The PC version is easily better. Downloadable community content, an extra view mode, better controls, better graphics, easier to access all of your moves, the game takes screenshots and adds text and uploads them to bioware's sites so people can see important things that you have done. Still, the console versions are worth getting if you can't get it for the PC.
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

I have the PS3 version and it's great. It does not have a birds eye view and going through the menu system can be a pain, but it's still a solid experience. I think some PC gamers are just nit-picking about the differences with this game.

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It's not nitpicking. The graphics and controls are better and the difficulties are different. On consoles you have to raise the difficulty so that friendly fire on spells is possible, on PC the game starts off that way, you have to lower the difficulty to not bomb your own characters with spells. so Normal on Consoles is Easy on PC

I don't see how harder difficulty automatically = better. Some people just enjoy the game without making it ultra difficult. Also the graphics are just fine on the consoles.

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That's why you should get into PC Gaming ;). You don't have to give up your console and the PC has a better gaming experience in many games and you also get to brag about your kickass gaming rig! :D

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I wish I could, but upgrading a PC is quite expensive for someone who isn't tech savvy.
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[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

I've got it on 360 and can honestly say that I enjoy the game. I think "severely dumbed down" is an internet comparison where nobody knows moderation and the only reaction/opinion worth writing or expressing is the extreme one.

To me, DA is the hardest console game from Bio-Ware. If this is severely dumbed down than i'd flip it and say the PC version is probably overly complex and difficult.

So you think it's more challenging than any of Bioware's previous console games? I get disappointed when I go through an entire game without dying even once.
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EDGE gave the 360 version a 5.

out of 10.

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I don't think it's dumbed down so much as it's just tailored to console gameplay. To me it felt more like they blended Final Fantasy XI/XII with Phantasy Star Online.
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I don't think it's dumbed down so much as it's just tailored to console gameplay. To me it felt more like they blended Final Fantasy XI/XII with Phantasy Star Online.DarkCatalyst
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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[QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]I don't think it's dumbed down so much as it's just tailored to console gameplay. To me it felt more like they blended Final Fantasy XI/XII with Phantasy Star Online.Metamania
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I mentioned Final Fantasy XI and Phantasy Star Online. Automatically good.
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of course, 8 isn't a bad score is it?
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

I have the PS3 version and it's great. It does not have a birds eye view and going through the menu system can be a pain, but it's still a solid experience. I think some PC gamers are just nit-picking about the differences with this game.

It's not nitpicking. The graphics and controls are better and the difficulties are different. On consoles you have to raise the difficulty so that friendly fire on spells is possible, on PC the game starts off that way, you have to lower the difficulty to not bomb your own characters with spells. so Normal on Consoles is Easy on PC

I don't see how harder difficulty automatically = better. Some people just enjoy the game without making it ultra difficult. Also the graphics are just fine on the consoles.

Well in a topic entitled "So Dragon Age is severly dumbed down for consoles" where you say it is pc gamers just nitpicking. Having a game use PC's easy more for Normal is a good example of being dumbed down and not just nitpicking. Also lower res graphics may be fine for some but that still doesn't mean they're not dumbed down for consoles (also ignoring loading times and framerate issues with the console games.) Let's not forget that the PC version comes with a mod kit and people are already working on graphic overhauls of the game to make the textures even better.
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of course, 8 isn't a bad score is it?woonsa
It's a mediocre score by game informer standards, who give pretty much give any game that isn't terrible at least an 8.
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[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

I've got it on 360 and can honestly say that I enjoy the game. I think "severely dumbed down" is an internet comparison where nobody knows moderation and the only reaction/opinion worth writing or expressing is the extreme one.

To me, DA is the hardest console game from Bio-Ware. If this is severely dumbed down than i'd flip it and say the PC version is probably overly complex and difficult.

UT_Wrestler

So you think it's more challenging than any of Bioware's previous console games? I get disappointed when I go through an entire game without dying even once.

Aye, the game is definitely more difficult than anything Bioware has released in a long while. Although, things get much easier once your characters level up some. I ended up cranking it up to nightmare around lvl 12 and still only had trouble with a couple of the boss battles.

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[QUOTE="Metamania"][QUOTE="DarkCatalyst"]I don't think it's dumbed down so much as it's just tailored to console gameplay. To me it felt more like they blended Final Fantasy XI/XII with Phantasy Star Online.DarkCatalyst
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I mentioned Final Fantasy XI and Phantasy Star Online. Automatically good.

Not exactly. Final Fantasy XI wasn't exactly a great MMORPG to begin with. I had a lot of frustration in dealing with that game - the installation time, the gameplay, among other variable factors that just made it not such a good FF game in the first place. Phantasy Star Online, ok, I'll give you that, the game was addicting and has some fun moments in it. But FFXI being automatically good? Not really.
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So in other words I should just crank the difficulty up to the hardest setting if I play it on consoles? No big deal.

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So in other words I should just crank the difficulty up to the hardest setting if I play it on consoles? No big deal.Mash_Affect
Easier difficulty is a result of the dumbing down, not the dumbing down itself. The console versions lack the control and camera options as well as the mouse fluidity that make tactical micromanagement a breeze (which is the whole point of a party-based RPG, in my opinion). Without that, people are less likely to really delve into the depths of the combat system - therefore, easier difficulty since the AI obviously lacks the intellect of a human brain. As almost any true PC game (and Dragon Age was developed specifically for PC), it's dumbed down for consoles. It's obvious that some people just don't want to hear it, but there's no escaping the fact that Dragon Age is a computer RPG. Seriously, just look at the interface. That doesn't, however, mean that it's not an enjoyable game on consoles.
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That doesn't, however, mean that it's not an enjoyable game on consoles.UpInFlames
Quite, and to be honest, I prefer this approach to the production process (optimize the game for PC first, then try to get it to work on consoles) than what we've seen in cases like, say, Oblivion, where the game was optimized for consoles THEN ported over to PC...without the greatest results interface wise.

Playing this on PC is dramatically different than consoles, and actually can more or less appeal to different types and kinds of gamers across those two main platforms.

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[QUOTE="Mash_Affect"]So in other words I should just crank the difficulty up to the hardest setting if I play it on consoles? No big deal.UpInFlames
Easier difficulty is a result of the dumbing down, not the dumbing down itself. The console versions lack the control and camera options as well as the mouse fluidity that make tactical micromanagement a breeze (which is the whole point of a party-based RPG, in my opinion). Without that, people are less likely to really delve into the depths of the combat system - therefore, easier difficulty since the AI obviously lacks the intellect of a human brain. As almost any true PC game (and Dragon Age was developed specifically for PC), it's dumbed down for consoles. It's obvious that some people just don't want to hear it, but there's no escaping the fact that Dragon Age is a computer RPG. Seriously, just look at the interface. That doesn't, however, mean that it's not an enjoyable game on consoles.

I enjoyed KOTOR in spite of the combat. Meaning I loathed the turn-based menu combat, but loved the story, character customization, and dialogue options. Is this a game I am likely to enjoy on consoles despite lacking some camera angles and quicker menu navigation?

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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]the gameplay is dumbed down for the consoles. Do you think it's still an enjoyable game for someone who can only get it on a consoledakan45

Are you kidding me? Games are meant to be dumbed down for consoles, infact i cant believe the pc version is not dumbed down too.

So every game on consoles is automatically dumbed down in comparison to PC software? Even games that naturally use controllers and analog sticks?

Seems like a pretty silly statement to me.

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I enjoyed KOTOR in spite of the combat. Meaning I loathed the turn-based menu combat, but loved the story, character customization, and dialogue options. Is this a game I am likely to enjoy on consoles despite lacking some camera angles and quicker menu navigation?Mash_Affect
Absolutely. The story is well-written and interesting, the characters are awesome, party interactions and dialogue options are deep, the amount of fully voiced characters is staggering, the game is huge and packed with all sorts of equipment, and the lore...the lore is just fascinating. The gameworld BioWare created (from scratch, mind you) is literally bursting with history and culture, it's almost overwhelming. This is, by far, the richest and most believeable fantasy world I've ever visited. It's a shame you dislike party-based tactical combat because it's really, really good. I would perhaps even go so far as to say that this is the best combat I've ever experienced in an RPG.
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From what I've seen, the tactical elements have been a bit more streamlined for consoles. It plays a lot like KOTOR (which is awesome for me). It's fantastic on 360, probably my favorite rpg this gen asides from Oblivion or FO3
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Yeah that's what the GI issue's beef was with the console version, they said they made it almost too easy to compensate for the lack of a keyboard rather than properly adapt it for the consoles. But if you guys think it's just as good as any of Bioware's previous console games, I'll definitely have to pick it up on Black Friday when I can get it at Best Buy for 35 bucks.UT_Wrestler

Black Friday, Im on it, and BestBuy is my fave store.... Im gonna get it for my PS3, but then if it's better deal for PC I might get it instaed.

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[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]That doesn't, however, mean that it's not an enjoyable game on consoles.Skylock00

Quite, and to be honest, I prefer this approach to the production process (optimize the game for PC first, then try to get it to work on consoles) than what we've seen in cases like, say, Oblivion, where the game was optimized for consoles THEN ported over to PC...without the greatest results interface wise.

Playing this on PC is dramatically different than consoles, and actually can more or less appeal to different types and kinds of gamers across those two main platforms.

Yeah, at least BioWare tries to adapt their games to a particular platform in the best way possible (Mass Effect PC and the console versions of Dragon Age, for example). Happily, PC gamers can always turn to modders if the developer itself can't be bothered. There were quite a lot of great interface mods for Oblivion that made the game more at home on PC as well as adding some cool stuff such as color and worn-out cloth effects to the map. Hopefully, BioWare will continue that tradition. To be honest, I'm worried about Dragon Age. I'm worried that EA will push for a console-centric development for the next installments.
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[QUOTE="Skylock00"]

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]That doesn't, however, mean that it's not an enjoyable game on consoles.UpInFlames

Quite, and to be honest, I prefer this approach to the production process (optimize the game for PC first, then try to get it to work on consoles) than what we've seen in cases like, say, Oblivion, where the game was optimized for consoles THEN ported over to PC...without the greatest results interface wise.

Playing this on PC is dramatically different than consoles, and actually can more or less appeal to different types and kinds of gamers across those two main platforms.

Yeah, at least BioWare tries to adapt their games to a particular platform in the best way possible (Mass Effect PC and the console versions of Dragon Age, for example). Happily, PC gamers can always turn to modders if the developer itself can't be bothered. There were quite a lot of great interface mods for Oblivion that made the game more at home on PC as well as adding some cool stuff such as color and worn-out cloth effects to the map. Hopefully, BioWare will continue that tradition. To be honest, I'm worried about Dragon Age. I'm worried that EA will push for a console-centric development for the next installments.

I know you're going to hate me for saying this, but I'd actually prefer it that way since I can't really afford to convert my pc into a viable gaming platform.

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That sucks, I bought for xbox360 since my PC isn't capable of handling much more than solitaire.
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]the gameplay is dumbed down for the consoles. Do you think it's still an enjoyable game for someone who can only get it on a consoleGrammaton-Cleric

Are you kidding me? Games are meant to be dumbed down for consoles, infact i cant believe the pc version is not dumbed down too.

So every game on consoles is automatically dumbed down in comparison to PC software? Even games that naturally use controllers and analog sticks?

Seems like a pretty silly statement to me.

As far i cant see every multiplatform games is like that.
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[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]That doesn't, however, mean that it's not an enjoyable game on consoles.Skylock00

Quite, and to be honest, I prefer this approach to the production process (optimize the game for PC first, then try to get it to work on consoles) than what we've seen in cases like, say, Oblivion, where the game was optimized for consoles THEN ported over to PC...without the greatest results interface wise.

Playing this on PC is dramatically different than consoles, and actually can more or less appeal to different types and kinds of gamers across those two main platforms.

Really? How hardcore is it on oc? If its that much harder then i might buy it for ps3 instead.

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I know you're going to hate me for saying this, but I'd actually prefer it that way since I can't really afford to convert my pc into a viable gaming platform.UT_Wrestler
The thing about that is that we'd all get a crappier game. The last time BioWare catered to console gamers we got Jade Empire and Mass Effect. Not bad by any means, but still a rather shallow RPG experience. Certainly nowhere near Dragon Age's awesomeness.
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[QUOTE="Mash_Affect"]So in other words I should just crank the difficulty up to the hardest setting if I play it on consoles? No big deal.UpInFlames
Easier difficulty is a result of the dumbing down, not the dumbing down itself. The console versions lack the control and camera options as well as the mouse fluidity that make tactical micromanagement a breeze (which is the whole point of a party-based RPG, in my opinion). Without that, people are less likely to really delve into the depths of the combat system - therefore, easier difficulty since the AI obviously lacks the intellect of a human brain. As almost any true PC game (and Dragon Age was developed specifically for PC), it's dumbed down for consoles. It's obvious that some people just don't want to hear it, but there's no escaping the fact that Dragon Age is a computer RPG. Seriously, just look at the interface. That doesn't, however, mean that it's not an enjoyable game on consoles.

Yeah, I'm no mouse fetishist, but the absence of the mouse and keyboard combo makes real time strategies on console much better than on console.

Haven't played either version of DA, so I don't know how much the control of DA is impacted, but the stripping away of the perspective which facilitates control of the entire group is discouraging. If I get DA (I'm going to try to get it black Friday, though I have to work that day) I'm going to get it on PC.

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#44 Metamania
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]the gameplay is dumbed down for the consoles. Do you think it's still an enjoyable game for someone who can only get it on a consoledakan45

Are you kidding me? Games are meant to be dumbed down for consoles, infact i cant believe the pc version is not dumbed down too.

That statement I find to be incorrect. Not all games are meant to be dumbed down for consoles. Only a few, like Final Fantasy II on the SNES - that was dumbed down because Square thought that we wouldn't be able to handle the difficulty in the game. That was a mistake to make. But not every game should turn out like thas at all. All games should have various levels of play and should be easy to go through and understand, yet hard to master - perfect balance right there.
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#45 UpInFlames
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Haven't played either version of DA, so I don't know how much the control of DA is impacted, but the stripping away of the perspective which facilitates control of the entire group is discouraging. If I get DA (I'm going to try to get it black Friday, though I have to work that day) I'm going to get it on PC.CarnageHeart
The great thing about the PC version is that you have options. Want to play with mouse/keyboard? Fine. Mouse only? Great. That's my choice as well. Controller? Go for it. Same thing with camera options. Change perspectives on-the-fly any time you want. While I'm exploring the gameworld, I use the close-up third-person view. In battle, I pull back the camera in order to see my entire party. In a larger battle with lots of enemies, I pull it all the way to a cIassic isometric view. All of this is done simply by scrolling the mouse wheel back and forth. Like I said, I mapped every single action to the mouse the way that suits me best. It's fast, easy and intuitive. Will Wright said it once, but it bears repeating ad nauseum - the mouse in an incredible and horribly underrated piece of technology.