Anyone else find that the Red Dead Redemption script is a little repetitive?

It's a great game with a decent enough story and fun gameplay, i just find that whenever you're doing a mission with say 'Irish' or 'Seth' or 'West Dickens' e.t.c that Marston is constantly putting down the other characters. It was kind of amusing in the beginning but after a while, the whole 'pompous cowboy' business sort of grinds on you :P

I find he does not like their word play. His family is taken and he need them to help him to deal with them so it is understandable when they play games with him, he will be mad.

A little? :lol: It repeats itself THREE times over the course of the game. They introduce new antagonists in Mexico... and then again when you get back from Mexico. Its about 2-3 hours of story padded out to 25 hours. Its such a shame the surrounding world was so well-made and atmospheric. I've been noticing since GTASA that Rockstar's stories have been dropped into the toilet and flushed a few times. They are absolutely awful, and don't make me feel anything towards the characters. Throughout RDR I kept wanting to like Marston, and feel for his plight... but I never felt anything.

If I had to work with people like them then I would be mad at them.

WD: "I got the report done."

Me: "Then where is it?"

WD: "About that my mistake I printed on printer in an arms dealer wearhouse."

Me: "Then print it again."

WD: "I lost the file."

A little? :lol: It repeats itself THREE times over the course of the game. They introduce new antagonists in Mexico... and then again when you get back from Mexico. Its about 2-3 hours of story padded out to 25 hours. Its such a shame the surrounding world was so well-made and atmospheric. I've been noticing since GTASA that Rockstar's stories have been dropped into the toilet and flushed a few times. They are absolutely awful, and don't make me feel anything towards the characters. Throughout RDR I kept wanting to like Marston, and feel for his plight... but I never felt anything.

foxhound_fox

How to like john Marston. Go to youtube type in Red dead redemption ending watch it Cry. Just Cry on how happy it is.altairs_mentor

Yeah it does get repetitive a tiny bit, but I enjoyed it anyway.

Cut scenes and story are largely incidental in a game like this. 95% of the time, I was directly controlling Marston and making whatever choices I felt like so I really don't care that certain elements of the story were repetitive or relied on tropes.

I do understand the complaints about the cut scenes negating the actions of those who took a darker, more villainous route to complete the game but since I played Marston straight I felt the story was pretty solid and personally, I loved the ending. (Especially the coda)

I gave up on the game once I got to mexico, didnt like Marston or his story, but it was a beautifull game world with some other interesting characters... the story was just so blah for me.GodModeEnabled

You know what they say opinions are like... "Everybody's got one"... :P

The worst part of RDR was being forced to play as Jack when you "won".

His lines...are just so...aweful.

"WORKYADAMNAG!" and some of his aweful puns have been etched into my very soul.

The worst part of RDR was being forced to play as Jack when you "won".

His lines...are just so...aweful.

"WORKYADAMNAG!" and some of his aweful puns have been etched into my very soul.

NiteShadeX

Might wanna give a spoiler warning there, bud.

A lack-luster story aside, the game still feels like a balls to the wall western epic. It's the game of the year.

well, the game was made by programmers... not cormac mccarthy. i never expect great writing/stories from videogames. immersion and fun... sure. deep andthought-provoking experiences....no.

[QUOTE="NiteShadeX"]

The worst part of RDR was being forced to play as Jack when you "won".

His lines...are just so...aweful.

"WORKYADAMNAG!" and some of his aweful puns have been etched into my very soul.

Jbul

Might wanna give a spoiler warning there, bud.

There's a cheat code to play as Jack, no spoiler needed.

The whole damn game is repetitive. It's not a bad game, but no way in hell GOTY.

I think it got boring around Mexico. You ended up doing the same stuff that you did stateside only it was more boring.

I thought it was well written and I loved the ending. I felt much more connection with Marston than I ever did with Niko in GTA IV. Rockstar's ambition sometimes outstrips its writing ability (some of the dialogue feels trite and hollow when it's obviously meant to be profound), but overall, I think Yahtzee summed it up pretty well when he said "RDR is a beautiful-looking, beautifully written, beautifully atmospheric time-sink". There was a bit of padding in the story, but nothing major for this type of game.

Easily game of the year for me. No other game (on 360) even came close.

He has to help people... that's the point of the story. Especially back in those days, if you want to get somewhere, you better have something to offer them. And you better start having relationships and connections with people. RDR has one of the best stories, characters, dialogue, I've ever witnessed in a video game. Extremely well done. Missions, side-quests were actually fun to do and felt like they tied into the main story. I could go on about RDR, but I'm not going to. If you couldn't see why this game was so great and well done.. then nothing I could say will ever change your mind.

Edit: RDR has one of the best endings in gaming history. It gave the player the power in their hands to bring closure to an ending.

well, the game was made by programmers... not cormac mccarthy. i never expect great writing/stories from videogames. immersion and fun... sure. deep andthought-provoking experiences....no.

oldogg

He has to help people... that's the point of the story. Especially back in those days, if you want to get somewhere, you better have something to offer them. And you better start having relationships and connections with people. RDR has one of the best stories, characters, dialogue, I've ever witnessed in a video game. Extremely well done. Missions, side-quests were actually fun to do and felt like they tied into the main story. I could go on about RDR, but I'm not going to. If you couldn't see why this game was so great and well done.. then nothing I could say will ever change your mind.

Edit: RDR has one of the best endings in gaming history. It gave the player the power in their hands to bring closure to an ending.

Elann2008

I felt that the story had a lot of potential, but never really went anywhere with it.

While the characters were interesting at first, you never talked to them long enough for the player to form any real connection to them. For example, the sheriff in Armadillo seemed like he was going to major character, but he completely dropped out of the storyline after something like three story missions (but this really applies to just about every character in the game - like Landon Ricketts or the anthropologist). Even more developed characters like Bonnie barely get enough screen-time - why couldn't we go talk to her after her ordeal? It made no sense.

Maybe these fleeting characters would have been fine if the overarching story had been really compelling, but it wasn't particularly. I did want to see Marston's family freed and I liked the connection going on there, but...really, most of the plot consisted of jumping through one pointless hoop after another, killing bland and arbitrary villain stereotypes in order to achieve that. A lot of the missions simply felt like filler.

And then there's Marston himself, who is alternatively the sweetest cowboy in the west or an irritable turd, and his personality seemed to jump around every so often, which bugged me. It's sort of funny that, for an important outlaw hero, Marston had basically zero agency throughout the entire game. Even Seth the deranged grave robber was ordering him around, and he just accepts everyone's meaningless diversions again and again. I didn't think he was a particularly strong character.

All of that changes in the 'building up your farm' segment though, which I felt was the strongest part of the game, character-wise. Sure, next to nothing happened, but the game finally slowed down for once and took its time to build up some character development and relationships between characters. If the game had started with that section (minus the ending, obviously), and maybe thrown in the main story as a series of side-quests, it would have been much stronger.

But...uh, back on topic, I also felt that the script was repetitive. I liked the writing, but if you've heard one horseback conversation you've heard them all, and nothing interesting happens plot-wise until the farmstead section at the end of the story.

*edit* Ah, I hadn't read the above post. Good to see that I'm not alone there.

A little? :lol: It repeats itself THREE times over the course of the game. They introduce new antagonists in Mexico... and then again when you get back from Mexico. Its about 2-3 hours of story padded out to 25 hours. Its such a shame the surrounding world was so well-made and atmospheric. I've been noticing since GTASA that Rockstar's stories have been dropped into the toilet and flushed a few times. They are absolutely awful, and don't make me feel anything towards the characters. Throughout RDR I kept wanting to like Marston, and feel for his plight... but I never felt anything.

foxhound_fox

I couldn't agree more. I did GTAIV, and RDR, and I felt the stories were lackluster. I honestly can't put my finger on it though. Maybe I'm getting older, or becoming less interested in R* games? I found myself looking for things to keep my occupied during the cutscenes..like going the bathroom, or browsing on my phone.

Westerns aren't known for having a great storyIm_single

[QUOTE="Im_single"]Westerns aren't known for having a great storyLoG-Sacrament

The story is so much better than that of GTAIV...

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Im_single"]Westerns aren't known for having a great storyIm_single

That would be incorrect. You saying....

The worst part of RDR was being forced to play as Jack when you "won".

NiteShadeX

...is very clearly an end-game spoiler. I don't mind, since I've beaten the game, so whatever. Shrug.

Westerns aren't known for having a great story, [...] Im_single

[QUOTE="Im_single"]Westerns aren't known for having a great story, [...] foxhound_fox

Look, I think you're waaaay too harsh on RDR. So much so that it's hard to take you seriously on this issue. It's clearly not a bad story, and the general level of writing in the game is actually very good. You even tried to argue in another thread that it has that "design by commitee" feel, which couldn't be further from the truth. It was very obviously crafted with genuine love and respect for the genre and for gaming in general.

I dunno, you are entitled to your opinion, but it's such a beautiful game that your constant attacks against it have started to grate a bit...

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Im_single"]Westerns aren't known for having a great story, [...] streak000

Look, I think you're waaaay too harsh on RDR. So much so that it's hard to take you seriously on this issue. It's clearly not a bad story, and the general level of writing in the game is actually very good. You even tried to argue in another thread that it has that "design by commitee" feel, which couldn't be further from the truth. It was very obviously crafted with genuine love and respect for the genre and for gaming in general.

I dunno, you are entitled to your opinion, but it's such a beautiful game that your constant attacks against it have started to grate a bit...

I agree with you. Red Dead Redmeption is one of the most ambitious videogames ever made, and in itself moved videogames forward in many ways. When the New York times calls a videogame "art", you'd better believe there's something special about it.

I think any opinions to the contrary are a key factor in games never getting the respect they deserve, because quite honestly, the audience is still shockingly immature as a whole. And what's worse is, most of them don't even realize it. When people reject or critisize a game that takes bold steps toward moving videogames out of the proverbial sewer of the art world, they're doing much more harm than they realize. It's a real shame.

Jbul

Look, I think you're waaaay too harsh on RDR. So much so that it's hard to take you seriously on this issue. It's clearly not a bad story, and the general level of writing in the game is actually very good. You even tried to argue in another thread that it has that "design by commitee" feel, which couldn't be further from the truth. It was very obviously crafted with genuine love and respect for the genre and for gaming in general.

I dunno, you are entitled to your opinion, but it's such a beautiful game that your constant attacks against it have started to grate a bit...

streak000

I agree with you. Red Dead Redmeption is one of the most ambitious videogames ever made, and in itself moved videogames forward in many ways. When the New York times calls a videogame "art", you'd better believe there's something special about it.

I think any opinions to the contrary are a key factor in games never getting the respect they deserve, because quite honestly, the audience is still shockingly immature as a whole. And what's worse is, most of them don't even realize it. When people reject or critisize a game that takes bold steps toward moving videogames out of the proverbial sewer of the art world, they're doing much more harm than they realize. It's a real shame.Jbul

since when does praise dictate if something is truly special or not? [...]LoG-Sacrament

In this day of 5-hour games, I wholeheartedly welcome a bit of "padding" especially when the writing and the design is strong throughout.

I think in order to fully appreciate RDR's story, you have to read between the lines a bit. For example, you have to see how the setting parallels John Marston's character. The game takes place during the early 1900s while the West is undergoing a lot of changes. The frontier is disappearing, and horses are slowly being replaced with automobiles. John Marston is stubbornly resisting these changes, while he is ironically trying to make some dramatic changes in himself. He wants nothing more than to leave his old life of crime and just settle down with his family, but the government tells him that he can never change, although they embrace all the ongoing environmental and societal changes. I could go on about this, but I think you get the idea.

RDR's story should also be praised just because of Bonnie MacFarlane's character. To paraphrase a recent GameInformer article: Most female video game characters are either a damsel in distress, or a sexy badass chick that can kick everyone's ass without any effort, but Bonnie is neither of these. She's a realistic woman with both strengths and weaknesses.

And to everyone that didn't like John Marston...I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I don't see how you can't like the guy. He's genuinely funny, and I really sympathized with him throughout the game.

Edit: RDR has one of the best endings in gaming history. It gave the player the power in their hands to bring closure to an ending.

Elann2008

one of the worst for me. the final sequence of missions was mind numbingly dull and the ending was just head scratchingly incongruous

In this day of 5-hour games, I wholeheartedly welcome a bit of "padding" especially when the writing and the design is strong throughout.

UpInFlames

Very true.

Also interesting to note that RDR is Rockstars most streamlined effort to date.

Repetitive? Rockstar Games, repetitive?:lol:

In this day of 5-hour games, I wholeheartedly welcome a bit of "padding" especially when the writing and the design is strong throughout.

UpInFlames