Too many games depict James Bond as a mass murderer, says Telltale chief

The Walking Dead studio cofounder Kevin Bruner says 007 is a "super-spy, and that's a different skillset."

James Bond video game adaptations too often make the British agent out to be a killing machine, straying from his true essence as an intelligent and calculated super-spy. That's the opinion of The Walking Dead developer Telltale Games cofounder Kevin Bruner, who told OXM recently that it would be a dream to make a game based on 007 some day.

"I'm a giant James Bond fan and I'm always frustrated by games that make him a mass murderer," Bruner said. "He's a super-spy, and that's a different skillset. The films make him less of a mass murderer, and there's not much killing in the books--more spying and intrigue."

It should be noted that Telltale Games has no immediate plans to make a James Bond video game, and Bruner was only speaking on the condition of what franchise he would like to work on if money and politics were no consideration. Telltale is also interested in making a Star Wars title.

It is unclear which publisher currently holds the publishing rights to the venerated James Bond series. The most recent rights-holders were publishing giants Electronic Arts and then Activision, though the Call of Duty company's deal reportedly expired at the end of 2012.

The most recent James Bond game was 2012's 007 Legends, which featured missions based on the franchise's 50-year history.

Also in the interview, CEO Dan Connors discussed the role of licensing in Telltale's history and suggested that the company may seek to create its own franchise one day.

"Licensing has played an important part in enabling this company to do as much as it's done without having to create a new IP wholecloth, which is a big undertaking with a lot of associated risk," Connors said. "[But] as we become bigger and can execute that, [creating our own franchise] gets more and more attractive."

"I think we're looking more at 'Can we engage some great storytelling mind to come in and work with us on something and make it not just a game franchise, but a full-on entertainment franchise with comics or a TV show and such and build it all together at once?' We really see that as the next thing that's gonna happen," he added.

Telltale's portfolio so far includes games based on The Walking Dead, Jurassic Park, Back to the Future, Fables, Wallace and Gromit, and Law & Order. The company is currently working on adventure games based on Game of Thrones and Borderlands.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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178 comments
Ereheru
Ereheru

James Bond isn't a super spy, he's a government assassin...even in the books his job is to kill people.


I bet they call the girl from Goldfinger "Kitty" Galore...

deathstream
deathstream

Keep these people away from James Bond.  They do NOT understand him at all.  Yes, he is suave.  Yes, he is sophisticated.  Yes, he uses gadgets.  AND yes, he had to kill 2 people in cold blood to get his job.

Hurvl
Hurvl

Most action games makes their protagonist seem like mass murderers, so why should 007 be any different :P? If you don't want to fill every section with enemies you're supposed to kill, you have to come up with other stuff to do and that is quite hard from what I've seen. 

Bond is quite a ladies man, but any kind of video game romance often just ends up being a bland dating sim: buying presents and picking the right dialogue choice. 


Recreating the Bond experience from the movies is quite tough.

jenovaschilld
jenovaschilld

Dammit people James Bond 007 was given a license to KILL, I do not remember him also having a daily limit or having to buy more human stamps. And I sure do not want him under a catch and release program. 


The fact is I like my James Bond like the old days from the 60's with all the spy, gadgets, martini drinking and Swedish tail shagging you could squeeze in a couple of hours. I really hate this james bond they have now - who is an emo - drug addicted, emotionally unstable, six months sober, who takes orders from a woman instead of having them fetch a dry martini - shaken not stirred.  (yes I know a little chauvinistic). And please no more bad guys who are hedge funders, or greedy politicians (we see way too many of those in real life) bring back the over the top maniacal maniacs that make us cringe and giggle at the same time. (Really sharks with lasers- brilliant!) 

And for goodness sake bring back the hot bond girls with their tongue-in-cheek pussygalores instead of miss smith's dna scientist who stays in good shape from spin classes. 


As for the game, if the bond spy is tom clancy's splinter cell sam fisher, it would be boring (not that anything is wrong with splinter cell) but the game should have bond more austin powers and if it was set back during the cold war days I wouldn't mind at all. 

AleGN
AleGN

007 games need to be more ambitious

bloodstone was fine, it has a decent storyline, a rather good script and nice moments
but it's too action packed and too simple
the whole game it's about goiing foward and shoot everything in front of you

Zloth2
Zloth2

Playing a super spy would require the player to be super smart.  Putting "IQ of 130+ (and willing to use it)" on the requirements will not be real good for sales.  That or you have to lead the player from clue to clue by the nose then put it together for him once all the clues are found - which is more like playing a spy's legs than play a spy.

g1rldraco7
g1rldraco7

Telltale should have been shot for making that flop of a Jurassic Park game. One game that should have stayed extinct.

Gelugon_baat
Gelugon_baat

In case anyone is wondering, the rights to the James Bond films belong to Sony Pictures Entertainment for now.

If TellTale has any hope of making a James Bond game, it would have to obtain a separate license from the Fleming estate.

deadpen
deadpen

A mass murder of ass!

xsonicchaos
xsonicchaos

Alpha Protocol was the best spy game I have ever played, that's including every Splinter Cell. Probably because it was more of a rpg. Probably the best James Bond game is a mix between Alpha Protocol, Hitman, Splinter Cell, Deus Ex, Lucius and that one great level from Bloodstone.

hadlee73
hadlee73

The Boyle Estate party level from Dishonored makes a better James Bond game than most James Bond games. You can actually sneak upstairs and rifle through rooms to find topics of conversation that will allow you to convince the target Boyle sister to come with you (except for Esma, who just goes with you willingly because she wants a shag). In current James Bond games you'd just shoot up the place. Although Dishonored lets you do that too if you are so inclined, lol

Gen007
Gen007

I mean yeah sure in a game he's gonna be killing way more than normal but bond has killed a fair number of people that's why the whole license to kill thing is so popular. I would like there to be an adventure style game though because that seems like the right genre for a bond game. Not the tell tell type though id prefer it to be an action adventure. Wouldnt be a good bond game if you didnt have control imo.

TheLazyClown
TheLazyClown

I do enjoy the James Bond games (well back when it was owned by EA mostly), but he does have a point, there shouldn't really be a lot of killing coming from 007 himself. If he can do a lot of stealth that would be cool.

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

No one lives forever proved that there can be intelligent spy games. If Telltale could make a game like that I would be first one to buy it.

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

Many Bond games are shooters, and in shooters you shoot things. Non-shooter Bond games are hard to make. Too little freedom and it becomes a movie. Too much freedom and you lose the tight feel of a Bond story. I am interested in what a Telltale spy game would bring, though I am not interested in spy game along the lines of Telltale adventure games.

theslovakian38
theslovakian38

just finish the walking dead season 2 and wolf among us

sol_invictus55
sol_invictus55

Killing terrorist and enemy soldiers is not murder. Murder is an unlawful killing.

maxpowr3
maxpowr3

It's why gaming companies replaced "humans" with "zombies and aliens". 

NoelXYeul
NoelXYeul

I wouldn't mind a 007 game from Telltale, in fact, I'd be one of the first to download it!

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

Um, have you seen the movies?  All he does is have sex with women, drive cars in car chases, and shoot people.  How are games getting it wrong?

colbster
colbster

I would get dual Dostoveis and just gun down those dirty soviets.

chuckles471
chuckles471

"He likes to sleep with women and use them as objects"


The Gamespot review is already done, you can thank me later.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

I kind of see what they're saying. In Facility, I would just purposely camp and kill the infinite spawning Russian soldiers. Obviously in the movie he only killed like 5 of them though.

BruceWayneJr
BruceWayneJr

I'm pretty satisfied with Alpha Protocol for the time being.


tinyname
tinyname

Goldeye 64 will never be topped.  Don't even try.  I still rock that sound track on youtube.

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

@Unfallen_Satan Every shooter Bond game lost the tight feel of a Bond story so far. Worse than that, it's simply impossible to combine the feel of a Bond story with the shooter genre.....

CaptainHerlock
CaptainHerlock

@Unfallen_Satan 

Games like Splinter Cell Blacklist and Metal Gear Solid both are "non-shooters", and they strike the balance between gameplay and story. Yes, I do know that Metal Gear Solid 4 has a vast amount of cutscenes, however the gameplay that carries you to through the story is outstanding. It can be done, but the first you have to find someone who actually knows something about James Bond and the series, and who won't let it descend down that path of being another generic shooter.

CaptainHerlock
CaptainHerlock

@sol_invictus55He's talking about indiscriminately killing wave after wave of non-descript bad guys, for no apparent reason.

CaptainHerlock
CaptainHerlock

@Thanatos2kHave you read any of the books? He drinks, plays cards, and gets tortured. What the games get wrong is they become a shooting gallery of blasting wave after wave of faceless bad guys, for no apparent reason.

Dredcrumb9
Dredcrumb9

@colbster lol Goldeney 64. Still the best Bond FPS ever made. The campaign alone is epic and has so much replay value and everyone knows about the multiplayer.

Dredcrumb9
Dredcrumb9

@Grenadeh Bond kills like 47 people in Goldeneye, more than any other 007 flick. lol but yea, Goldeneye the video game on N64, is like a holocaust of Russian soldiers and security. That game is so fun though! I am still playing the campaign to this day! Still have yet to beat the 2 bonus missions on 00 agent and unlock 007 agent! Lol so addictive!

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

@CaptainHerlock @LordCrash88 It's still on my backlog....;)

But No one lives forever and Splinter Cell have two different approaches. Imo the first fits Bond better because originally he is not a soldier type of guy. He solves cases more like a detective by using brains, charisma and gadgets. He rarely fights a firearm and most of his action was fighting in close combat with his bare hands. He talks much and he directly approaches his rather unrealistic super-enemies.

Splinter Cell is another thing. Here the story is about a field agent, a soldier, who does black ops all over the world. He's not a guy walking openly into a casino in order to talk to a super-enemy. He rather infiltrates a facility to find stuff and torture people to reveal information.

You could say that the new Bond films with Craig a more like Splinter Cell, but all the other Bond films - especially the original ones with Connery - are quite different and much more canon (but that's only my own opinion)... ;)

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

@LordCrash88 I actually disagree with that. I think the shooter Bond games lack other aspects that make the movies entertaining, but I don't think the shooting part does it wrong. I think of Bond in a shootout as much more fitting to the one-man-plow-down-a-dozen motif than the military shooters of today, actually. I know that level of violence is really not how real-world espionage works, but somehow it feels right for Bond. The problem with shooters is that the entire game revolves around that kind of violence, and Bond usually only kill a lot of people in a fraction of the movie scenes.

CaptainHerlock
CaptainHerlock

@LordCrash88@Unfallen_Satan 

That's why you stop trying to make it a "shooter". And if you don't have a genre it fits into, you create a genre.  I think that's part of the problem, you have people thinking in terms of fitting it into a genre. It doesn't fit into a genre, it's Bond, it doesn't have to. I see Bond games much like the Batman games a few years ago, before Rocksteady got hold of the series. Someone needs to come in who knows how to bring what's great about the character out in a game.

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

@CaptainHerlock You make a very good point about those two games. Strange, I didn't even think of these two games. I have only played up until Conviction and the early levels of MGS4, and my memories of those games are of almost no non-confrontational interaction with NPC (com links not withstanding). I don't know anything about Blacklist or much about MGS4, but I still don't think the earlier iterations are the right kind of game for Bond.

My first thought on Bond-like spy game done right went to No One Lives Forever, but there was no shortage of shooting in that either. It's perhaps due to my own personal preference, but I am caught between the linearity of NOLF and the freedom of Deus Ex or even Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines when thinking of the ideal spy game along the adventuring line, even though the latter's premise have much less to do with spying than Splinter Cell or MGS.

xsonicchaos
xsonicchaos

@CaptainHerlock@Thanatos2k

In their defence, they do have faces, sometimes they even have the same face (for understandable technical reasons, but I agree, they are generic.

hystavito
hystavito

@LordCrash88@CaptainHerlockI was going to comment along those lines about the new Daniel Craig era Bond, there is certainly a lot more violence and a lot more typical action movie stuff.  I think the new films are good, they just don't feel like James Bond films anymore.

kidflash2000
kidflash2000

@LordCrash88 @CaptainHerlock Dont play Blacklist if you are a real big fan of the original trilogy, it isnt....smart, or stealth. You kinda feel rushed the entire time, and it only took me one or two afternoons to beat story mode with relative ease.

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

@xsonicchaos@Thanatos2k@CaptainHerlockWhat defines James Bond is based on what the most people experience, and not coincidentally makes the most money.  The answer is the movies and has always been the movies.  Even 30 years ago.

xsonicchaos
xsonicchaos

@Thanatos2k@CaptainHerlock

Yes, the books can still be found in libraries, if that's what you're asking. If you're asking if Ian Fleming still writes the stories, than no, I don't think he can do that anymore. What defines James Bond depends from one person to another, not what's more popular amongst facebookers.

LordCrash88
LordCrash88

@Dredcrumb9 @LordCrash88 @Thanatos2k So you think calling me an idiot makes you look smarter? Oh my......you kids always have to troll discussions, don't you?....

I think you should count the people Bond shot in the old movies and the people he shot in every Bond video game so far....I guess you'll find the proper answer soon.

Dredcrumb9
Dredcrumb9

@LordCrash88@Thanatos2k You are an idiot. The older Bond films are like that too. I just finished watching them all on BLu Ray. He kills people, has sex with women, drives cars, etc..