The Xbox One vs. PS4 1080p debate is an unwinnable war, says Titanfall developer

Producer Drew McCoy says getting worked up over specs is silly because, "that's a war that no one actually wins."

There's been no shortage of debate concerning the ongoing "war" between Microsoft and Sony in the battle for the living room. One argument that constantly makes the rounds is the fact that right now, more PlayStation 4 games run in 1080p than they do on Xbox One. In fact, one of the Xbox One's biggest and most important titles to date--Respawn Entertainment's multiplayer shooter Titanfall--does not run in 1080p. But the debate over respective resolutions between platforms does not interest Titanfall producer Drew McCoy.

"It's the console wars. It's Sega does what Nintendon't," McCoy told GameSpot at PAX East about why he believes the 1080p debate has gathered so much attention this year. "There's going to be games that look better on one or the other. There's going to be exclusives that look better, for whatever reason. And we never set out to engage in the tech war. I feel like that's a war that no one actually wins."

"We never set out to engage in the tech war. I feel like that's a war that no one actually wins" Titanfall producer Drew McCoy

"We consciously just decided that we're going to make a game that's fun and new and exciting and then worry about making it as good-looking as we can," he added. "And I don't think we made an ugly game, but no one in the office will tell you we made the prettiest game out there. Or [the one that] runs at the highest resolution."

Titanfall runs in the oddball native resolution of 792p, and because it's not available on PS4, there is obviously no comparison to be made there. McCoy teased that Respawn is experimenting with ways in which it can improve visual performance, but overall, he doesn't want to get wrapped up in a debate about specs. It's just not worth it, he says.

"We have more that we can do. We're looking at performance stuff on Xbox One; the PC patch added some stuff; and we're working with NVIDIA for some things on PC as well," McCoy said. "At the end of the day we don't really care. People were roasting us because we run at higher than 720p but we're not a solid locked [60fps] yet. And it's like, 'Yeah, well you know what, guess what? The GPU isn't always a thing that limits your frame rate and your performance.' So we hit the highest resolution we could without limiting the GPU."

Titanfall's first DLC expansion, Expedition, launches next month and introduces three new multiplayer maps to the game. Respawn is also planning to support Titanfall extensively with new modes and features--all of which will be entirely free.

Titanfall launched March 11 for Xbox One and PC, and came to Xbox 360 earlier this month. We'll find out how well the game sold--and how much it helped sell Xbox Ones--later today when the NPD Group releases sales information for the month of March.

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FreakyDeacky2
FreakyDeacky2

Ill settle the debate, to sum it up the xbox hardware is weaker Sony's' is stronger faster and better.

Now the why: Consoles are created on a hardware budget, Microsoft skimped on the graphics and focused that money on the stupid cable box pass through crap no one was asking for. 

praack
praack

 yup gotta agree with scifiguy7 - PC no Debate - War Over.


but giullocc has a good point- the 792 resolution sounds like the max the xboxone can display- so it is not available to the PS4 because it is not a STANDARD. 720, 1080i and 1080p are standard


as for gamers not caring- well for the first couple games they won't then all of a sudden they notice, and tune out if they cannot up the graphics.


oh well it is a XBOX console exclusive- sorry - i know it can run on PC - but when they place those bizarre sound files that take up so much space in the pc build it really makes you not want use space for the title.


giuliocc
giuliocc

Sounds like an excuse not to run at 1080p on the XBONE....usually means the underlying software performance is not optimised or just not written well. Standards are now moving to 4K. If you can't have your game run at 1080p, you're not keeping up. But then again, if the gameplay is absolutely awesome, not running at 1080p might be forgiven. BTW I'm not forgiving Titanfall.

sensei_hEnRY
sensei_hEnRY

i'm glad i'm not a graphic enthusiast so whatever resolution PS4 and Xbox One gonna throw at me when i'm playing Batman: Arkham Knight, Mirror's Edge, Project CARS, Watch_Dogs, The Order 1886, The Crew, Halo 5, Quantum Break, or even Child of Light, i'll be okay with it and just enjoy the game.

dirkradke
dirkradke

Before commenting I read several posts about how this guy is lying or is an idiot.  Graphics and art are not just about resolution.  If you don't have those 2 things then resolution isn't going to matter anyway.  Concentrating on resolution and/or frame rates are somewhat foolish if only the hardcore morons know or even care.

madpioneer
madpioneer

McCoy said. "At the end of the day we don't really care."

I think the above statement says it all.

I have to agree with 'chaosldmc' this guy McCoy is an idiot!

Given the R & D and time Microsoft invested to produce a new game console seems to much like 2-steps backwards not utilizing 1080p as its been standard in the video industry now for years is ludicrous! They did it with the 360 as well going with DVD-drive instead of Blu Ray which anyone watching the HD/Blu Ray war at the time could tell which one was going to be on top.

The game developers should take the time to find out how to utilize the XBone's hardware to the fullest, but I degress that won't probably happen for another 4 to 5 years.........

These are the reasons among so many others I didn't even consider getting a 'One' when it came time for the new-gen consoles release after enjoying my 360 for years even with it's shortcomings.

skinymike
skinymike

Yea, because I believe they guy who now has a vested interest in the XBone succeeding so he can sell his title. I don't buy it. I know it's out on PC too but that is not in the scope of PS vs. Xbox. If the Xbone is chugging now how will it survive for the next 5 years without holding the industry back, and if you say graphics don't matter, go play your minecraft, I want graphical immersion. Maybe it will improve with updates BUT the hardware does seem to be less then that of the PS4. I am all ps4 fanboi because of the way Microsoft disrespected gamers with its launch.

MithCo
MithCo

Getting worked up over specs is silly because your game is silly.

chaosldmc
chaosldmc

Either you can make the game run at 1080p @ 60fps or you don’t.The fact is that Titanfall runs at 792p @ 60fps is because the xbox one is weak or his team doesn’t know how to optimize the game for the xbox.


A better statement would be: due to the limitation of (console name here) We had to make the game runs at 720p @ 60fps solid and have all the graphical belts and whistles at the same time.


Not like they could make the same looking game to runs at 1080p @ 60fps but they chose not to.This guy is an idiot.


ddmartin2014
ddmartin2014

"War" hahaha, what a joke. There's a certain definition of war, and a bunch of keyboard warriors arguing over resolution is not included. You're never going to stop it, so don't waste your time in trying. Lets the gamers game

Keitha313
Keitha313

They just need to make a stronger autobot then they can win the war... ooo urmm I meant Titan.

ninboxstation
ninboxstation

Titanfall is overhyped, plays even with wallrunning & jetpacks way too similar to COD  (the wallrunning and jetpacks parts are overall too minor), 

the Titan battles are not as cool as Halo vehicle battles..

overall it's still not better than Gears of War, Halo or L4D...., and the matchups suck...


it's like Borderlands..., it's has a good idea behind it, but still feels too medicore... but with more beef on the bones and finetuning, it could become what the hype is trying to sell us..

starfox920
starfox920

the game looks cool and i run 1080p on my xbox one tho

TommyT456
TommyT456

Microsoft would call it "unwinnable" wouldn't they, due to the fact Sony are winning.

MrJskilet
MrJskilet

For me personally 60 fps matters more than 1080p resolution. I would rather have a game running at 720p 60fps than a game running at 1080p 30fps. But that is just my personal preference. 

noncasualgamer
noncasualgamer

AAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! THAT TITLE!

vassillioss
vassillioss

Are these publications getting checks from Microsoft for each "1080p doesn't matter" article? Because I can't imagine an owner of a 1080p display sincerely holding that belief. Maybe I'm underestimating how many people don't quite understand the concept of digital resolution.

croxus
croxus

If they are not interested on graphics, then why make it time exclusive for Xbone then?

The 360 can play it just fine and the kind of players that are interested on always on games could enjoy it as well there, why waste time with next gen, when graphics dont matter for you?


C mon admit titan fail was aimed to become the flagship of xbone, but its techically comparable with last gen games and you are now trying to find some lame excuses to justify yourselves for all the hassle and the hype for a last gen title that ought to be free!!

icandypictures
icandypictures

let's face it Xbox won the last cycle Ps won this cycle whoever wins the next who knows.

icandypictures
icandypictures

Id buy a powerful tv that outputs 1080p and 4k capable for $400 over a 720p Tivo box for $500 anyday.

ejtexasmade
ejtexasmade

I don't really care if my games are 700p or 1080p. They all look pretty to me. Of course, I remember playing Atari on a TV that barely had color. Tell me more about how you care so much about unnecessary specs.

hotwog21
hotwog21

unwinnable? so your trying to distract us from the fact that your getting flogged, even with your exclusive titafail LOL :P

anotherone10
anotherone10

The bottom line is the PS4 has the inherently more powerful hardware, so it will have better performing games (from a technical point) for the entire generation. Even with tech such as DX12 coming to the XB1, you can't overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.

Rennik_Repotsir
Rennik_Repotsir

Yup people don't play games to play games. They play it for resolution and graphics and defend it like they had some hand in making it...

leapmaster
leapmaster

@praack Both systems can display just about any resolution up to a maximum of 1920x1080. They output the resolution of the TV no matter what, 792p is just the native resolution that is upscaled (i.e. approximated to fill in the gaps). Tons of games have run at very strange native resolutions (Halo didn't run at 720p until 4, and the COD games are a total mess), and it's something we'll continue to see in the future.

Reindeer911
Reindeer911

@madpioneer No joke... McCoy's attitude seems very much to reflect the attitude of MS these days in that they aren't listening to their customer base anymore. They pulled it with Win8, and they still can't get it to work. In the end they refused to listen to the gamers backlash over the One, and can't seem to figure out why sales are tanking.

As far as I'm concerned all this talk of console wars is irrelevant. It's not a "tech war" like McCoy suggests, it's a customer service war, and MS is going down in flames. 

leapmaster
leapmaster

@starfox920 Your Xbox may be set to 1080p, but the game itself won't output a resolution higher than 792p because of hardware limitations. The Xbox will still upscale (approximate) it to fill out your 1080p display, it will just be a bit blurrier and rougher around the edges than if it was actual 1080p.

joeyjerker1
joeyjerker1

@MrJskilet  I agree its just preference.I run everything in 1080,a pc u can do than or select like 30or40 lower resolutions to fit your preference.I can only do 30-40fps in 1080 with my current card and I havent found a game or program yet that I wanted to lower the resolution

franken_stein
franken_stein

@vassillioss Not all TV programs are in 1080p and you don't notice or even complain about that, but an XB1 game in 720 and whoaaa wait a minute this isn't 1080p. You don't understand graphic fidelity. Resolution isn't #1 on the list. 

casque_77
casque_77

@croxus  For one, the 360 does not run the game in 60fps - it runs 30. The extra 30 fps on the XBone alone makes the 360 version obsolete. And the real flagship of the Xbone and major factor in me buying the XBox (Halo 5) is still about a year out. 

But I really hope you PS fanboys keep talking trash about this game. It'll make it that much harder to convince Respawn to gamble by eliminating their exclusivity contract and benefits from MS making it that much harder for TF2 to be available on the PS4. I'm sure Zampella will really ignore all of your bashing and hatred towards his product.


And "technically comparable"?! LOL! Talk about a guy with sour grapes.. 

Here's what all you fanboys are really saying:

"Oh, TitanFAiL sux bc graphics are the same for the 360 and XBone~! And I really, really know what I'm talking about even though I've never played it - on either system~!"


noncasualgamer
noncasualgamer

Ps4 is also running all ps3 Ports, except for the exclusives.... and we all know how much those games suck ass. Xbox AT LEAST has titan fall. Nintendo!

franken_stein
franken_stein

@croxus Titanfall is the current #1 game, So how did they fail??? where is PS4's flagship? PS4 may have sold more consoles(they released in more territories and its cheaper) but Sony is broke and selling off assets left and right. MS has sold more XB1's in the timeframe than they did 360's and they are sitting on 80 billion in cash. Sony is slated to lose over a billion dollars in 2014. Yea PS4 is great, be better if the company that made it actually had resources to put into it past 2014.

leapmaster
leapmaster

@icandypictures Playstation got cocky last gen and paid the price. Microsoft got cocky this gen and paid the price.

Meanwhile, Nintendo tries really hard to support their new system and market it to their core gaming audience and paid the price anyways.

joeyjerker1
joeyjerker1

@ejtexasmade  Was it an atari 2600 or a New-gen 5200?These kids(adults also im sure to some extent)debating their PS4 vsXB2 brings back memories of the intellivision vs the new 5200 vs. colecovision debates that we were quite passionate about in middle school.all good fun

leapmaster
leapmaster

@ejtexasmade I sit pretty close to my 22" monitor. For me, it's a night and day difference between 1080p and just about anything lower. I mean hell, it's literally more than double as many pixels on a 1080p screen (2.25 times to be exact). Not that I'm some prude who can't enjoy 720p, or even something lower (I got by on 800x600 with my old, shitty PC for quite a while), but it's still really nice when I can actually fill out the full resolution of my monitor.

staticsnake87
staticsnake87

@ejtexasmade  Specs don't matter that much, but when I take my console into my bedroom and play my 1080p games on the 720p identical version of my living room TV, I can see the difference and it bugs me. 1080p definitely is better if you can get it. Hell, 720p games on my 1080p Samsung look better than on my 720p Samsung.

casque_77
casque_77

@hotwog21  that's funny how you fanboys keep insisting TF is a "fail". Especially considering the fact that they've outsold Infamous even with more than 2 million more PS4 owners... 

You fanboys keep forgetting one important fact - IT'S ON PC TOO. Seems to me Respawn hedged their losses (from whiny PS4 users) perfectly fine.

casque_77
casque_77

@anotherone10  And don't tell me Killzone.. I've played 2 iterations of that game on the PS2 and PS3 and I've never been impressed

casque_77
casque_77

@anotherone10  Software is what sells games. Tell me one game on the PS4 that an FPS guy like myself MUST HAVE. 

Titanfall and HALO. Only two games that matter to most of us XB users.

staticsnake87
staticsnake87

@Rennik_Repotsir  This is like saying you don't drive a car for gas mileage, you drive it to get somewhere. Who cares if your gas mileage sucks cause you got where you were going. Well, that's a stupid argument because we can care about multiple things at once.


Yes of course we care about the quality of the actual gameplay, but ALSO of course we care about quality of resolution and graphics. So many great games have proven they can give us top-notch 60fps 1080p last-gen, so why are we still struggling with it next-gen? It should just be the norm.

FreakyDeacky2
FreakyDeacky2

@WolfgarTheQuiet @praack thats what nintendo also said, and thats why theyre console is not selling and has no third party support, its too weak to run any of the current gen games without that game being drastically optimized tweaked and reduced to run on it...

GRAPHICS MATTER. Especially for console gamers used to the same level of graphics for the last 8 years....

joeyjerker1
joeyjerker1

@leapmaster @starfox920  U must be the guy who loves to spoil x-mas for the kiddies by tellin them there is no Santa Claus.If the kid thinks hes playin 1080 then he is,unless someone tells him.Hed eventually figure it out but thats kinda my point.

franken_stein
franken_stein

@staticsnake87 @ejtexasmade Obviously there is a difference in pixels but not all XB1 games are 720 and some are in native or upscaled 1080. Besides the fact that we watch cable and TV programs that are not in 1080p but no one flips out about paying for cable or internet and not seeing every single thing in 1080p. Because you don't pay attention to it until someone or something implants the thought. It's a wash, Heck 90% of people are playing games like minecraft or flappy bird, yea really bleeding edge graphics there.

anotherone10
anotherone10

@casque_77 @anotherone10  Yes, games are what sells these systems. I never said that just because the PS4 has the better hardware that it’s the better system so you should go buy that instead of anything else. I stated that the in the argument of the PS4 vs XB1 in terms of hardware, the PS4 will always win because of the fact that it has the inherently better hardware. As a result I said the PS4 will have better performing games from a technical point, and by a technical point I mean technical factors in games such as resolution, frame rate, effects etc.

Ones decision to buy a system should be because they like the system & it has the games they like to play, not solely because it has better hardware.

noncasualgamer
noncasualgamer

If you put graphics anywhere near the importance of story and gameplay you are losing most real gamers respect.

Rennik_Repotsir
Rennik_Repotsir

@staticsnake87 @Rennik_Repotsir  I agree, it is a stupid argument. Gas mileage matters because of the cost of going from point A to point B. It's in direct relation to the distances traveled in a given time. Very little to do with graphics and resolution as it relates more to the longevity of the system if it were attached to a limited supplied power source.


The right analogy is, would you make the trip in a Civic with faded paint or a Civic with a custom paint job?

leapmaster
leapmaster

@noncasualgamer Visuals can make a huge difference. Just look at Rockstar's recent games, and tell me that their work in detailed facial animations has no effect on character dialogue and interaction. Tell me that obnoxiously blurry textures and models clipping into each other has no effect on a 3D rendered cutscene. Tell me that having nothing but a handful orange squares to simulate fire as I burn away cobwebs in Metro Last Light has no effect on its acclaimed immersion.

So don't give me your arbitrary and irrelevant label of who "real" gamers are. Real gamers are people who enjoy games, and your opinion isn't worth any more than theirs unless you have the fatter wallet (and vice versa). People can like whatever the hell they want in a game, and it's all about the full package. If something's lacking, it stands out, be it music, story, graphics, gameplay, controls, whatever.

And if you have two products that are (for all relevant intents and purposes) completely identical, other than in one area where one has a clear advantage; why would you choose the inferior?