The HotSpot - Arkham City, Deus Ex - 3/8/2012

The HotSpot sits down with design leads on Batman: Arkham City and Deus Ex: Human Revolution to suss out what design essentials made these two games stand out.

Neither Rocksteady's Batman: Arkham City nor Eidos Montreal's Deus Ex: Human Revolution walked home with the Best Game Design award at last night's Game Developers Choice Awards, but what do we care? Those games are crazy good! Tom Magrino sits down with Arkham City lead level designer Ian Ball and Deus Ex senior game designer (now Eidos Montreal gameplay director) to discuss design philosophies and the making of great games.

The HotSpot - Arkham City, Deus Ex - 3/8/12 by gamespot

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27 comments
icetone
icetone

Dues Ex ai could have been a little better but its still fun and I can't wait to play Batman

Paoksis
Paoksis

@forest4 -you cant skip to a certain point in the video unless it has been loaded till that point even the most primitive players had that feature....i want to watch the fkin deus ex interview and i have to load all the previous crap i dont want.Seriously?

inaka_rob
inaka_rob

@WCK619 I think its just a choice of HOW you want to play the level. you can sneak or can gun. you can kill everyone or knock them all out. I can sneak and go through air ducts, or I can augemtn my jumping and landing abilty and try to go over thing. Hacking a door? or breaking through the wall. I think you can ask ANYONE who played through the game twice or more never played it the same. I think that is what they meant by choices. if you mean purely communication choices. no they made a little difference. a bonus xp reward, or a code maybe. but I really they were referring to the game play choices you can make. The police station alone had no less than 3 different ways into it all requiring 3 very different set of augmentations.

Marky360
Marky360

@NTM23 I guess I'll have to rent it then and try it out but thanx for your opinion though.

pokecharm
pokecharm

for some reason, the quality of the video is really dodgy, but the content of the ep was too compelling for me to miss! Also, did not know that was how you said Eidos...I've been saying it completely differently... those were all great questions for both guys, Tom - interesting stuff. The only drawback to the choice in Deus Ex was the lasting effects of your smaller decisions didn't seem to have much effect on the outcome of the game, or at least I thought so.

g1rldraco7
g1rldraco7

I may get Arkham Asylum and City after this. Is it me or is Tom Magrino paler than usual?

forest4
forest4

@Paoksis Why? I like Gamespot's video players. What makes them bad?

NTM23
NTM23

@Marky360 -- No, I'm not saying it's not worth getting. I think others would agree and say more so, that if you're looking for a game to play from last year, Arkham City is one you should get on the bandwagon with. I don't know if I'd personally recommend it (which... may be contradictory to what I just said, but whatever), but my one opinion is probably not good enough when it comes to a lot of the other opinions you could go on. I know I should stick up to my opinion, but if others are/were this into Arkham City, I can't and won't care to argue the reason behind it. While I was disappointed in it, you yourself may find something to love about it.

glimpus
glimpus

Arkham City is ridiculously good. It's months after I got it and I'm still gliding around Gotham, beating up thugs and enjoying the challenges.

Magrino
Magrino

@Paoksis Tell me about it.

Paoksis
Paoksis

gamespot's embedded video player is easily one of the trashiest players that i've seen

Xsan3
Xsan3

How Bout Batman visits Zombie island ??

crushbrain
crushbrain

This show needs a sidekick who sounds like Miss Piggy.

WCK619
WCK619

Deus Ex being about freedom of choice feels like a bit of a misnomer to me. You ARE given choices, yes. You can pick where you morally stand. But in Deus Ex, one choice usually rewards you more then the other. Sometimes one choice doesn't reward you at all. Or in the case of killing innocent civilians in alleyways, there's neither a reward or consequence. Cops don't chase you, nobody reacts differently to you, you don't gain XP, and they don't even have anything to steal off their corpse. Sure these are choices, but your "morality" throughout the game is steered a lot by the unbalanced tilt of their reward/punishment system. Don't get me wrong though. I really loved this game. It's my favorite game of 2011. I fully played through it twice. But if I were looking for a great game about "choices" I'd go with Fallout. The reward/punishment for your choices in Fallout are much better balanced.

ThePowerOfHAT
ThePowerOfHAT

When are we going to see more DLC for Arkham City? The way Rocksteady talked about things early on, they seemed intent on continuing to add to the game as time went on. Why haven't we gotten to follow up on some of those side stories that were clearly incomplete? The game as a whole is fantastic already, but those particular side missions still haven't seen resolution, and it's strange that we haven't even heard anything about them planning to release additional DLC.

naryanrobinson
naryanrobinson

For me Deus Ex isn't really about choice. It's about a believable world, which admittedly is partially to do with choice, but I think it's more about feeling like the world around you is alive and has existed perfectly well forever in the past without your presence, and will be fine for a long time after you've left, but in the case of Deus Ex, it's also about a *smart* world. I'm a relatively old school gamer, and when I buy a game, and I really like it, I want to play over every. single. inch of it. What I'm getting really sick of hearing from modern developers is "Hundreds of choices. Thousands of permutations. Play how YOU want to play." I don't WANT hundreds of choices. I want to play through the game ONCE, I want it to take a LONG time with a feeling of progress, and I want the GAME to tell me where I'm supposed to go and what I'm supposed to do (albeit only once). Shooting the bad guys is fun, I'll handle that. I DON'T want to have to CHOOSE which characters, levels, missions, guns(!) I get to see, and which parts I don't. I want it all. The original Deus Ex looked like you had lots of choice but (to my relief) you really don't. Sure you can handle any given situation how you like, but even with the seemingly BIG choices, you don't cut yourself OUT of anything in the game, and the story goes where it's going whether you like it or not, the only thing you decide is how long it takes. I think in this regard game developers are heading in the wrong direction these days.

ChewieOnIce
ChewieOnIce

This is an amazing, creamy week for Hotspot.

Marky360
Marky360

@NTM23 Thats the same thing I'm worried about. I played Batman Arkham Asylum and loved it but I just get this bad vibe from Arkham City that it won't live up to the original thats why I have yet to pick it up. I find this offten happens with sequels prime example would be Halo and Halo2 . Halo2 was nowhere near as good as the original so I was rather disappointed after I had completed Halo2 now Halo3 was alot better then Halo2 but still not as good as the original so sequels often times worry me.

sleepnsurf
sleepnsurf

Two AAA titles. I did like Arkham Asylum better though.

diabolik_023
diabolik_023

HD link does not work.... great show, as every time ;)

forest4
forest4

These podcasts are superb! Not as great without Kevin Van Ord though.

Gamer_4_Fun
Gamer_4_Fun

Amazingly shocked Arkham city didn't even GOTY...

WCK619
WCK619

Game designer of Deus Ex and you didn't talk about the boss battles? I loved that game, but the boss battles were so bizarrely out of place.

NTM23
NTM23

I just got and beat Arkham City last week, and I really came out of it disappointed, so I tried playing it a bit more by solving and finding riddler trophies, did all the side missions, and started a game up on hard, but I really just couldn't come off of it satisfied as I had hoped I would. I also played Deus Ex: Human Revolution late, but months ago from now, and I loved it. I for some reason haven't really gone back to it after getting half way through it again on hard, but I will.

Lhomity
Lhomity

Yay, even more hotspot. What a great week.

Magrino
Magrino

For those wondering, if you clip the last digit off of this week's episode's site ID, you get the game space for Charlie Church Mouse 3D Bible Adventures 2.