Suda 51 says sexuality in games a touchy subject

Lollipop Chainsaw, No More Heroes designer says criticism can follow anything with artistic value.

Grasshopper Manufacture designer Suda 51 has spoken out in response to criticisms regarding how some of his games portray female characters.

Speaking with GamesIndustry International during E3 this month, Suda said anything a person creates has the potential to be criticized, including games like Lollipop Chainsaw and No More Heroes.

"I think in a way when you get criticism, that means people are paying attention to your work. Any kind of artistic value, anything you create, there's always some kind of criticism behind it," Suda said. "Which means we're making an impression and an impact."

"So I think we'll stay with what we're thinking and just keep going with that way of thinking…And when I say that, sexuality is a touchy subject," he added. "We don't want to make people offended, but we're trying to create something that makes people laugh a bit because we're [dealing with] that topic."

In Lollipop Chainsaw, 18-year-old protagonist Juliet lays waste to zombies with a chainsaw while wearing a cheerleading outfit. And in No More Heroes, Sylvia motivates the player by offering sex as a reward for in-game accomplishments.

Suda 51 and Grasshopper Manufacture are currently working on Killer Is Dead, due for release later this summer on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

""Which means we're making an impression and an impact. So I think we'll stay with what we're thinking and just keep going with that way of thinking"

The "impact" these games have is giving gamers a bad name. We aren't being taken seriosuly as a social group, and despite the average age of a gamer being middle-aged, gamers are commonly portrayed as teenage boys.

It's grotuitous games like this, with their immature handling of sexuality, that prevents the games industry from being taken seriously. It prevents other games that TRY to tackle sexuality in a mature way from being taken seriously. It provents companies from even TRYING to tackle mature games because they feel mature themes are too risky.

It's immature games like these that are a bane on the industry!


But no.... Suda 51 guy thinks that "any publicity is good publicity!", and will continue to destroy the industry from within.

lex_in_the_moon
lex_in_the_moon

I'm gonna bring up that odd American contradiction again in that no one bats an eye at vicious blood/gore and kids playing brutal war games but the moment there's sexualization: "OH GOD THE HORROR! HIDE THE KIDS" It's funny because sex is the amazing feat of creation on Earth and violence is the ultimate destructive force... Ugh.

Ranma_X_basic
Ranma_X_basic

That's the difference between gamers in the US and gamers in Japan. because japanese gamers don't mind games with sexual themes in them. 

Most american gamers (and i can't blame anyone for this) are politically correct and figure games featuring anything pertaining to sex will offend us i suppose. though i do see a point since under age kids will most likely be curious about sex in games and will likely want to get there hands on them to play them.

tightwad34
tightwad34

If women didn't dress scandilly and demand attention for it, there would be a whole lot less of this BS going on. You don't hear us men complaining about all the brotastic/testosterone fueled games out there. You don't hear about a maleist? movement. Why? Because we don't give a shit and just want to do our thing. Simplicity vs. complexity, and I will take the former any day. Come at me with your rebuttals, I can take it.

goggles123456
goggles123456

I don't see this as an artistic game, nor is the main character artistic.  Honestly, I agree with some of the other comments about sex being out of place for many games.  It would have been weird and awkward if there was some random sex scene in Dark Souls.  I'm all for exploring mature content, but that's what my wife and I like to enjoy together with each other.  Playing it in a video game would be terribly awkward and not my cup of tea.

MrFacepunch
MrFacepunch

Killing in defense, or killing pure evil people for the greater good can be justified. If you need to nail a chick to save the planet, by all means put it in the game. Otherwise i find it immature and horndog-ish.

the_big_doggg
the_big_doggg

Sick of all the social engineering the judeo-bolshevist in the media, hypocritical politicians and elitist liberals keep trying to shove down everyone's throat.

vadagar1
vadagar1

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

sexuality... touchy....

I see what you did there :P 

da_chub
da_chub

Hey suda, where's no more hereos 3 for my wii u? I mean, I have over 200 hours between 1st 2 and I want another. I can't be the only 1.

ForceSkin
ForceSkin

I'm playing No More Heroes at the moment on PS3. She's ugly, handles extremely poorly and is filled with bizarre non-sequitur moments, but there's also something charming about it. I wish Suda 51 could polish his games a bit more in terms of gameplay, then we'd have some true masterpieces. Shadows of the Damned comes close to being technically proficient, but all his titles, while bristling with personality, fall slightly short in this department.

zzamaro
zzamaro

In America, killing is ok while sex is evil.

SoulxReaperx366
SoulxReaperx366

Sexuality shouldn't be the subject of the game, it should just have a "touch" in it (wink wink) without interfering with the story. you want a little sugar in your coffee, not a mug of sugar with a drop of coffee.

lance_7
lance_7

We debate this subject on the same website that has mostly male reporters, but had Anne Prosser Robinson doing most of the E3 video interviews...  I wonder why...

sergiodoom
sergiodoom

Cut the bullshit and make a porno game!

DarthLod
DarthLod

The thing that gets me is, it's ok to mame and kill people in games, but some sex or nudity is not ok. The hypocrisy is frankly disgusting. I enjoy sexuality in games much more than the killing. The attractive human body is art. Sex is a beautiful thing. If you are offended by it then go crawl in a hole.

3nd_Of_The_Lin3
3nd_Of_The_Lin3

I'm sorry for acting like a moron, but I read just the title and laughed. Sexuality a "touchy" subject. I see what you did there, Eddie. ;)
Now then, onwards to reading the full article!

Afterthought_bt
Afterthought_bt

The sexuality taboo is one of the weirdest and most annoying in existence. Sexuality isn't bad. Nor is sexual attraction.

It used to be the province of the right wing nut-jobs to be all insulted by parts of the human anatomy, now it's the province of the left wing screw-balls too.

Guys. Gals. Look down. See! It's not so scary. If you can just remember that, and the fact that the world doesn't revolve around you, and that not everyone thinks the same way as you do, so when you are offended by something you know it isn't necessarily because the world is out to get you, or an attack on whatever group you identify with, then the world would be a much more peaceful place.

the_big_doggg
the_big_doggg

I dont get it, liberals encourage woman to be promiscuous than when they are portrayed that way in a video game they call it sexist

super_voltron
super_voltron

@Scorpion1813  No it's elitist thinking like yours that is holding gamming back. All other forms of entertainment use  VARIETY of styles comedy serious dramatic action campy.  You can go and say games should only be serious we need games like heavy rain AND lollipop chainsaw.

Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

@Ranma_X_basic  

While I agree that America has a taboo about sex, I still find Suda 51's immature handling of the subject to be more of a destructive force on the industry.

It's not so much about having sexual themes - it's the fact that they handle these sexual themes in a very immature way. They try to include mature themes, which would normally be aimed at adults - but then they present them in such a way that is childish and degrading.

Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

@tightwad34  

This doesn't really have anything to do with feminism. It's more about sexuallity being handled in such an immature way that it would seem like they are aimed at kids. And it only helps to reinforce the false stereotypes around gamers - that we are all teenage boys with no girlfriends and learn about sexuality and violence through video games.

Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

@goggles123456  

I think mature themes can be explored in video games through both story and gameplay. The problem is that the majority of the companies working within the industry (mostly talking about publishers here), believe the stereotypes that gamers are all teenage boys. And thus make games accordingly.

There is a huge cry out of mature games, but the industries concept of a "mature" game is to fill it with guns, gore, and sex - but more-often-than-not it is done in such a way that it becomes ludicric and immature.

vadagar1
vadagar1

@zzamaro it just makes me eye roll my eye balls out of my skull  :P

Jedilink109
Jedilink109

@zzamaro That's why we've got an annual gun murder rate in the 10 thousands while other developed countries typically don't even have a thousand.  YAY!

Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

@lance_7  

All the interviews I saw (Stage Demos) were done by dudes!

Heck, even the videos of the show floor were hosted by guys. I didn't see any videos done by chicks.

killerlavaman
killerlavaman

@DarthLod many people think about sex as pornographic with bodily fluids sprayed around and not so much as beautiful, but yes if they don't like it don't look.

3nd_Of_The_Lin3
3nd_Of_The_Lin3

And now I see that was a quote from the interview, as I hide away in shame. Not literally.. but.. you know...

CRAPCOM1926
CRAPCOM1926

@Afterthought_bt So Violence is Ok but nudity isnt? Fuck logic. Yeah dude i never undestood that either XD. Nice post.

Sorciere_basic
Sorciere_basic

@the_big_doggg 

You forgot the golden rule: Be attractive, don't be unattractive. 

Gamers are stereotyped as ugly nerds by women and they don't like us sexualizing them in games without getting to complain about it.

SoulxReaperx366
SoulxReaperx366

Dudeman315 Assuming you liked your ex-boss because of that sad face, I'm sorry. But i guess it proves my point a little haha

PeejayYeh
PeejayYeh

@CRAPCOM1926 @Afterthought_bt what he means that sexuality is natural to humans. the problem is its excesses. killing is an excess too, and doing it is really disgusting, i mean i real life. those two are two entirely different topics to be considered of.

Saketume
Saketume

@Sorciere_basic

I think you narrowed it down.

It's ok for women to dress sexy and show off their bodies.

It's just not ok for ugly guys to look at them.

And since video gamers are stereotyped as fat and ugly it then becomes sexist when sexy girls are in videogames!!

#Reasoningskillz

goggles123456
goggles123456

@ForceSkin Man, you have the perfect chat handle for this conversation.  And, I always wonder that too!  What mysterious comment was THAT offensive???