Sony's Koller on $99 PS2, big E3 PSP software reveal

Q&A: SCEA hardware head talks about new price point for old console and how over half of 2009's PSP lineup hasn't been revealed; no PS3 price cut planned...for now.

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This week began with widespread rumors that Sony was planning a major announcement on Tuesday. Many believed the news would be the long-awaited PlayStation 3 price drop which analysts had been predicting all year. Though it would cost Sony much-needed revenue--the company reported a $2.9 billion loss in January--such a move could help the PS3 rise out of its third-place slot in the console race.

SCEA hardware marketing chief John Koller

However, once Tuesday rolled around, Sony announced a price reduction not of the PS3, but of its elder brother, the PlayStation 2. Knocking $30 off its old $129.99 cost will certainly attract cash-strapped consumers trying to find cheap entertainment in a recession. However, the new $99.99 price point's very numerical makeup underlines the fact that the console is nine years old, having first been released in the US in late 2000.

So why did Sony choose to drop the PS2's price now? When will it drop the price of the PlayStation 3? And just how is the PSP faring in a handheld market that has seen more than 100 million Nintendo DSs sold? GameSpot sat down with John Koller, director of hardware marketing at Sony Computer Entertainment America, to get some answers.

GameSpot: So what exactly prompted the PS2 price drop?

John Koller: The big reason why we dropped the price is because we wanted to extend the overall versatility and viability of the platform. We're seeing some significant growth among the lower-income consumer, particularly lapsed gamers and young families. When you're looking at the current economic situation, they're looking at value and how to get the most entertainment out of their dollar.

There's about 70 to 80 games launching this year, and about the same amount in 2010. So the development's big and still very strong. Publishers are still very bullish on the platform because they're still making quite a bit of revenue from the PS2. It has really turned into a cash cow for them. And when you look at last year's numbers where the PS2 was the most played console, inclusive of next-gen, you can see that it's still got a lot of life.

We look at the PS2 as going well beyond its 10 years that we originally stated. I think this price drop will certainly help it continue.

GS: It sounds like it. So with this price drop, is it still profitable in terms of hardware?

The PlayStation 2 actually gets thinner with age, unlike many of its players.

JK: It is. It's still profitable, and that's why the PS2 has long been the foundation for much of what we've done at SCE, and continues to be that. Although the PSP has picked up so significantly in volume and has turned into such a nice growth and high-margin business that it's been able to take a lot of the responsibility off the PlayStation 2's shoulders. So we've been able to drop the price and still have a significantly positive margin on PS2, but not require the PS2 to do all the heavy lifting.

GS: So is the PSP's increasing market share one of the reasons behind last month's flurry of PSP software announcements?

JK: Well, it's certainly related to this announcement. Corporately from a financial standpoint, the PSP has been a high-growth, high-margin product for us. It has, as I mentioned, allowed the PS2 price to drop, and we've had some flexibility.

The many announcements we made on the software side for PSP were inclusive of that tremendous sales growth that we've seen on PSP. But they were also representative of the fact that we went out and talked to publishers about what sells best on PSP and how to craft their business model accordingly. Many of them had taken a bit of a scattershot approach and done a lot of ports and titles that just weren't going to sell very well on PSP. And we had looked at the success we've been having on first-party and said, "Let's make sure we share a little bit here." That's where the publishers were able to launch what you've seen so far, although there's a lot more to come on PSP.

Over half of the PSP's 2009 titles haven't even been announced yet.

GS: Oh, yeah? Can we expect some major announcements on that relatively soon?

JK: There's a lot of announcements coming up to E3 and particularly at E3. [Emphasis added.] There's probably 50-60 percent of the lineup for the year that has not been announced and there's some big titles coming. So there's a lot of excitement on PSP.

GS: OK, getting back to the PS2 real quick. I know Activision said in its earnings call last month that its continued support of the PS2 was contingent on you guys dropping the price. Did you hear similar sentiments from other third parties? And if so, was that a factor in your dropping the price?

JK: We look at all aspects of the business. A lot of publishers had said, "We still see the PS2 as a cash cow and a place that we can make a lot of money." And a price drop on the hardware certainly inspires the hardware numbers to continue at or north of where they were last year. I think that the software manufacturers and publishers were saying, "Hey we want to see this growth engine continue." So Activision's mention there mirrors what a lot of publishers and retailers were saying in that "You don't have to drop the price. We still think that this is a good model, but if you'd like to, we'd certainly be supportive."

Look at last year's NPD numbers. We sold through 2.5 million PS2s [in the US]. That's pretty good in the ninth year of its life cycle, and we're going into the 10th year in October. So we look at this being a boon to sales and keeping us where we were or going slightly north.

GS: So you said that you now expect to go well beyond the PS2's aforementioned 10-year life cycle. Do you have a ballpark how much longer?

JK: You know, we don't have the retirement chair set up or any plaque on the wall. But I think we can expect it to go well beyond the 10 years. We don't really have a sunset date in mind. We did for PlayStation 1 because we saw that the development spigot really dried up pretty quickly in that ninth and 10th year, and we turned our attention to PlayStation 2 at that time.

But from what we're seeing on the first- and third-party game lineup, there's not a lot of slowdown in terms of the amount of games coming. There are 70 to 80 titles coming in the next few years. That's pretty strong, especially when you look at the game titles that are coming. There's Guitar Hero Metallica, there's Ghostbusters, and a lot of social games: SingStar, Buzz, MLB, and Madden. Those are all pretty big franchises that are still launched on PlayStation 2.

It's a different demographic. When you look at the PS2 now, you have to parse how you used to view PS2 when it was current-gen [hardware]. Early adopters and a lot of other consumers have moved on to next-gen [consoles]. Where we have the PlayStation 2 consumer now is really in that kind of lower-income or new-to-the-category type consumer. And that's a very viable area. It's still very rich.

The original PS2 was released in 2000.

GS: Especially in these economic times...

JK: Certainly. You look at it from an evergreen entertainment standpoint; you could choose to go out to dinner or go on a vacation or you could choose a game for 40 to 50 hours of gameplay that you could play as a family. You know, that's a big focus. It's families playing with families on PlayStation 2. It's not the mom buying it for the 8-year-old and kind of letting him play in his bedroom by himself.

GS: I have one quick question about the numbers mentioned in the press release today. You guys said the sell-in of the PS2 was more than 136 million units worldwide, and I'm looking right now at a Financial Times article from E3 last year that quotes Kaz Hirai saying it was 140 million units last July. Which is the right number?

JK: Good question. I haven't seen that article. It should be 136.8 million units.

GS: The same article also quotes Mr. Hirai as saying that the target for the PlayStation 3 lifetime worldwide sales is 150 million units. Is that correct? And if so, are you guys still sticking by that forecast?

JK: Well, we don't have a particular number that we can discuss on PlayStation 3 lifetime, but I can tell you that we look to the PlayStation 3 to follow the PlayStation 2 growth curve. And we look at that as the goal, and certainly our daily goal is to continue to drive adoption of the PlayStation 3 from that PlayStation 2 loyalty base. That's kind of a primary driver.

There's over 50 million PS2s in North America, and those who purchase one for $99.99 tomorrow probably won't be purchasing the PlayStation 3 the next day. But we firmly believe that they will sometime within this console life cycle purchase the PlayStation 3. And maybe they'll wait for a big game or their favorite franchise or they'll play Blu-ray at some point.

And so our current focus is looking at those who purchased the PlayStation 2 between that 2002 and 2006 period where many of the key PS2 franchises really made their mark, the Gran Turismos, the Grand Theft Autos, and Madden--all those that are starting to come over to next gen. Those are the consumers that we're really looking at as being right for bringing up the PlayStation 3 loyalty curve.

GS: Well, speaking of the curve, one way obviously to have expanded the PS3's base--and a lot of people were expecting this Tuesday--would be a price drop. Do you have any announcements on that front, or will you have any announcements on that anytime soon?

JK: Nothing to announce on that front right now. What we're focusing on for PlayStation 3 is really the overall value of the box. This year we'll probably see the best software lineup that PlayStation 3 has ever had. It's a fantastic lineup, that touches on new IP as well as really strong franchises that have been brought over from PlayStation 2.

Sony hopes Kratos will crush the competition this year.

Also, the Blu-ray movie strength is becoming a tremendous feature for us. Movies, in some ways, are starting to help us sell hardware, turning the old business model on its head. The Dark Knight in particular moved units for us back in December. And that was an interesting kind of moment for us as we saw the business model change from what traditionally has just been a [game] software driver. The Wi-Fi, the remote play with PSP--all those things add up to a very strong value message for PlayStation 3.

Of course we continue to monitor the business and really in particular look at the consumer demand cycle and see if there are any gaps in any areas we need to fill. But last year was the best sales year we ever had for PlayStation 3, and that was despite really strong recessionary headwinds. And while we feel really bullish about the PlayStation 3 this year, so this week's announcement was really just about PS2.

GS: OK, you said the PS3 sales are still growing, but it's still in third place two years after it launched. When do you think its momentum's really going to start picking up? Is it going to be this year with software titles like God of War 3 and stuff like that?

JK: We look at the start of the strong trajectory of sales starting last holiday and continuing all the way through this year, and a lot of it is based on the games that are coming. God of War 3 is one example that's fantastic, but you can look at games like MAG and Heavy Rain and inFamous and some of the other games that are launching, not to mention our sports games, that will really help drive a lot of the business.

I also want to mention that there's certainly a component of the PlayStation 3 that is going to start appealing much more to families as well, so a lot of those familiar franchises from PlayStation 2--Ratchet & Clank, etc.--that made such a tremendous mark with the younger consumers as well as families, are going to start gravitating more toward PlayStation 3 and kind of softening the brands in many ways.

GS: Take Little Big Planet...

JK: Little Big Planet, yeah. I mean, Little Big Planet is obviously kind of one of the hallmark franchises for us, and we look to that to expand the casual gamer, casual gaming market. So I think this will be the best PlayStation 3 sales year we've had from a hardware perspective. I think the software's the best we've had. The [strength] on Blu-ray is really starting to help with that quite a bit, and that's not just Blu-ray movies but Blu-ray gaming. The idea is that that 50GB of space can be capitalized on by developers looking for much deeper, richer content.

The Uncharted Bundle: An endangered species?

GS: Now, I have a quick question about the configuration of the PS3 that you can probably answer. The 160GB PS3 Uncharted Bundle was touted as a limited edition, but looking at the major retailers, it seems like there's still a pretty decent supply. When do you expect that supply to run out? And if so, when it runs out will there be a 160GB stand-alone PS3?

JK: That's a good question. It is a limited edition. It should finish winding its way through retail in the next few months. So we're looking at the various configurations now. Probably can't say whether there's a 160GB in our future or not. Certainly we're looking at the 80GB as kind of our base product right now. We have stated publicly that we do really think the two-SKU [model] strategy is the right strategy for us, so whatever those configurations are I think you can use that as kind of a baseline. But I think that the Uncharted Bundle certainly did a nice job for us filling the early kind of adopter mentality of "I need more space" as well as "I want one of the top games available" this past holiday. So it was a very strategically served bundle. It should be out of retail shortly.

Discussion

400 comments
Midnightshade29
Midnightshade29

@DIEHARD117 The best the 360 has to offer at the same price as the ps3 ... the 360 elite doesn't even come close to the ps3... there is a 33% failure rating with the 360, there is no wifi (a $100 add -on) they are still using dvd 9 and have a $200 failed hd media add-on. You have to pay to play. ... Why do you people forget that after 4 years you are paying for the console again, and then again because it will break about 3 times a year. These are the facts man. Then also you don't get games like MGS4 that are 50gb in size and epic as hell. If you really like Sony franchises like God of war you will not go with that crap rrod box... stop being a cheapskate. Look at the big picutre. Do you want a great reliable console with loads of features and open upgrade structure ($70 for a 500gb hd or $100 for a 120gb for 360) , free to play online....the best 1st party exclusives....or do you want a console that dies on you, only pumps out halo games year after year and makes you pay for expensive add ons and makes you pay to play online. I sometimes feel like a lot of you don't know the value of things...

DIEHARD117
DIEHARD117

ive had a ps2 for 8 years now and just upgraded...but due to the PRICE of the ps3 i got a 360 instead .I will never in my life time buy a ps3 until you drop the fricken price! ,and your dead wrong if you think some one is gonna buy one if the best version of the 360 is 400 and the 80gb ps3 is the same. so with that i how you learn what people want in future reference.

nerd_assassin
nerd_assassin

@Stevieweiser I obsess like nerds, but sadly can't dish out the money. I'm one of those people who had generous parents that buys the consoles. So for other stuffs...I still obsess like nerds. Just obsess, not possess. But I have clue as to the bills, payments and stuff. I am the one who handles the budget and allocation , as to why I have no clue. My parents work overseas, and I'm the youngest. But yeah, some kids just have no idea how to be a complete adult and still wants to play a title or two in a month or year. You have to pay for electricity, water, home mortgage, and after all of that all that's left is money for food. Sometimes there's hardly any left for gaming. I hate the fact that someone would say save up and get the console stuff. That's 500 Gs, I went to college for two years with the same amount. It's not a laughing matter in this days of crisis. Not everyone has the same money situations as the others. I guess it goes out to those people that just rant about the price and not really buy their consoles and games for that matter.

nerd_assassin
nerd_assassin

@Malco_Vincenzo 1. I understand your rant, but etai79 said identical "softwares". That means games. Not identical hardware or features, but games. 2. Yeah, blu-ray can read DVD format, but remember that software are not reliant on the optical media, although blu-ray can be utilized better to have good results as an optical media, gaming-wise(MGS4 for example). DVD on the other hand...I don't know, multi-disc for massive games? And to note, they say it's harder to develop games for the PS3, but the results are sweeter I think(MGS4 again for example, and no, don't give me "it's a movie not a game" thing, cutscenes are made from the game's engine itself, and not pre-rendered). And it's easier to develop games for the X360, so expect a very sweet result, I say. I think I'll upgrade this junk PC of mine and start learning XNA, just to have a taste. C# is so sweet... 3. To you and etai79, what's a DVD and blu-ray drive of use if it's an idiot that will buy it? @etai79 With that, it's saying that it's better to have at least a 360 or a PS3, a good PC, and a Wii to feel the current-gen gaming at it's best, since all good 3rd party software for the two HD consoles are either timed exclusives or a multiplatform release. At least the Wii has a very extensive library of games that are unique for the platform, and a few golden exclusives to offer the core gamers with. On a side note, I only own a PS3, so I envy you all for having an X360, Wii, a good PC, or all of it. It's not being loyal to consoles for me, it's about being loyal to those sweet kick-ass games you can play, especially to those that are exclusive to a console. Man my gaming season right now is really dry, unlike the season which is pretty wet in this side of the Pacific. Oh, and yeah, just to be in the topic, if it's $99 right now, I'll probably buy one just to feel the nostalgia. Darn, after 6 years of service my PS2 failed, and my PS3's(launch system) region is Japan, so no way can I play my games. Darn it darn it darn it.

metalkid9
metalkid9

I have my fingers crossed for a new gta game on the psp :D

Stevieweiser
Stevieweiser

Malco_Vincenzo: "i'm tired of hearing people complain about their money situation being the reason not to but a PS3. I'm in high school, work part time, minimum wage, and I still could afford a PS3 with my money. Save up for one extra week and get the system. These same people saying that their money situation can't handle a PS3 also probably have 15+ 360 games and still pay for live. Money situation my backside." dude, you obviously don't have the slightest clue what it is like to have bills, rent/mortage payments, children or someone to take care of...in fact, that's what most of you all sound like on here...mom and dad got your system for you for your bday or something or you spend money on junk because you have no bills...grow up, I bet mom and dad bought your car for you too...I don't want to hear how grown up it is to save $500 in high school, save that money for college and you'll impress someone...I'll buy a ps3 when it comes down to $299...blu ray players sell for $150 right now, no reason for it to cost this much...just because you all bought one that was so expensive doesn't mean everyone else can't enjoy a cheaper one...we don't obsess like nerds who need the hot new gadget

Malco_Vincenzo
Malco_Vincenzo

@ 10679 & etai79 1. certain games look better on the 360 due them being made for the 360 first then made for the PS3 after. This is called a PORT.Ports usually lose some graphical power in transition that is never fixed. Also we have yet to see any 360 game hit MGS4 level. Another fun fact is that blu-ray tech also reads dvd format, making 360 games easy to port. 2. dvd9 has a capacity to hold 17GB while blu-ray can hold 50GB. keep in mind that this is DVD9 we're talking about compared to Blu-Ray's 2ND GENERATION FORMAT. 3."You know, the reason why there's so much animosity between PS3 and Xbox 360 fanboys is because the consoles have nearly identical software" Really? then why does the 360 have RROD and the PS3 does not? why did the PS3 have hard drive install 2 years before 360. why do you have to pay for XBL if the systems are identical? why is the PS3 more expensive if the tech is identical? 4. although that ironmankill is a complete PS3 fanboy, the idea that exclusives being subjective isn't really correct. Gears 2 would have been a great 360 exclusive had the online not sucked. Mass Effect was also very buggy at launch. Fable2 was mediocre once again, and any JRPG 360 gets is ported to PS3 with more features. And you have to agree that only having FPS games as exclusives on the 360 (besides Mass Effect and Fable 2) does hurt its image. especially when they port thier microsoft only games to PC, and everything else gets ported to the PS3 with more stuff. 5. to etai79 who said " any idiot can buy a Blu-Ray drive for about $80 on Newegg." any idiot can also buy a dvd drive for $20 at any electronics store.

10679
10679

@ironmanmarkIII i agree with etai79 when he said that blue ray is better is nonense because they have been plenty of multiplatforms games where these games look better on 360 than they do on ps3 and the 360 uses dvd9. the only reason why the ps3 has a blue ray player becasue sony wanted to sell their blue ray product and they knew that it will sell much better if they have it inside the ps3. look what happen to hd dvd . it failed because it wasn't put inside the 360 . if it did then it would be still alive. "they are launching the best games exclusive for it so PS3>XBOX360" whether the ps3 has the best exclusives games is purely subjective because its based on your opinionand everyone has different opinion than yours therefore you can say that "whoever thinks that xbox360 is better than PS3 is a idiot" becasue thanm the 360 people can say the same thing about ps3 owners who think that ps3 is better than 360.

etai79
etai79

You know, the reason why there's so much animosity between PS3 and Xbox 360 fanboys is because the consoles have nearly identical software. That's right, it's the same stupid crap. And don't give me that "Blu-Ray is better" nonsense because any idiot can buy a Blu-Ray drive for about $80 on Newegg.

ironmanmarkIII
ironmanmarkIII

whoever thinks that xbox360 is better than PS3 is a idiot also PS3 has better graphics reads Blu ray and they are launching the best games exclusive for it so PS3>XBOX360

condelirios
condelirios

I want GTA IV on the PSP! Also... PSP Remote Play for PS3 Games... a free software upgrade to allow PS2 backward compatibility for those of us who bought our PS3s later would also be nice.

Malco_Vincenzo
Malco_Vincenzo

P.S. even so I still think that they need a price drop for the PS3. Yeah people who aren't good with money complain about the price but it is a bit steep. I still stand by my point though. Can't afford a PS3 but can shell out $60 everytime a FPS comes out for the 360, as well as $60 a year for XBL. Excuse Excuses.

Malco_Vincenzo
Malco_Vincenzo

i'm tired of hearing people complain about their money situation being the reason not to but a PS3. I'm in high school, work part time, minimum wage, and I still could afford a PS3 with my money. Save up for one extra week and get the system. These same people saying that their money situation can't handle a PS3 also probably have 15+ 360 games and still pay for live. Money situation my backside.

feliscele
feliscele

What they need to do is dredge up that shrunk Oblivion PSP port and actually make/release it. Or, better yet, make a complete Morrowind port. I think the PSP can handle that.

10679
10679

@tuvideo87 "yea, you said konan was better than gow. lol" you should learn to spell lol because conan is spelled with a C not with a K. anyways everyone has their own opinion on what game game they think is good so me liking conan over GOW is my opinion.

Max1363
Max1363

I think PS3 chance for win this generation without PS2 Backward is almost ZERO... And Wooooow PS3 160GB Limited Edition takes months to sold out? Just look at XBOX 360 RE5 Limited Edition,it was sold out in almost all retailers 3 days after game launched...

thekoolkurt
thekoolkurt

i own all systems and i only play my xbox its xboxlive that is so much better.And halo3

BtmnHatesRbn
BtmnHatesRbn

Oh, nevermind. It's DS/Wii world these days. Casual is the new hardcore, and the hardcore look and act like Todd from Code Monkeys.

BtmnHatesRbn
BtmnHatesRbn

Ooh, Sony has Atari syndrome. Consider: Their Pong was the original PlayStation, their 2600 is the PlayStation 2, and their 5200 is the PlayStation 3, with the PSP thrown in as their money-losing computer division.

joevit
joevit

@valcrist09. How is the PS3 better? Most of us know the 360's video card can walk all over the PS3's video card, and 360 still has more to play and more coming and E3 will show that. At any time I could buy a PS3 but I'm not going to wast my cash on something that has a few good games, and all the other games are on 360. Also they games on both system, Ha. They look better and run better on 360. People wanna play games and the 360 has a hell of alot more. Look at the Wii. its at the #1 spot.

Mystearical
Mystearical

[quote]The PlayStation 2 actually gets thinner with age, unlike many of its players.[/quote] This line is PRICELESS!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL! Actually I already own 2 PS2.. one fat and one skinny - my fat (model 4) one has been though kicking/2 meter dropping on the floor/ throwing (and other stuff I can't mention here) and it's still working like a baby *heart* - my skinny is great too (though it's only 1 year old so I can't comment on it compared with my super old fat PS2)! Eitherway I do enjoy knowing it's still in production since I have 95+++ PS2 games (literary speaking - pictures available LOL) - in case I need another one

Max1363
Max1363

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valcrist09
valcrist09

I love my PS3, and it has the best Exclusive line up by a long shot.. I could care less about the older games, or the multi platforms, PS3 has all the good multiplatforms i enjoy and it seems to be getting more and more 360 exclusives with extra content without losing there own in the process.. PS3 is a better system and i wish more would realize this, it is more reliable, everything you need is in 1 system, free online, Fantasic 1st party line up... Had my PS3 for 2+ years no defects, gone through 3 360s, I gave up on it..

chappy_man
chappy_man

i want a ps3 but its too expensive for me currently, :(

tuvideo87
tuvideo87

@10679 yea, you said konan was better than gow. lol

tripwire73
tripwire73

re: 10670 @tyco_ex 10670 is completely correct. The Sony blurb (as included in the article above: "The idea is that that 50GB of space [on a blu-ray disk] can be capitalized on by developers looking for much deeper, richer content."). This is just more lip-service about the 'potential' of the system and Sony harping on about perceived value. It really doesn't matter what it's got the potential to do if that potential isn't being realised 99% of the time. @all fanboys The bottom line, once again, is profit, and in the case of software, moving units. 99% of developers will develop for all currently popular systems because it is more profitable. If you have 1 game on 1 platform, all development is in that 1 platform. release the game on 2 comparable platforms and all of a sudden you can re-use level design, story, graphics, 3d meshes, strings of coding, music etc, but sell to twice as many people without doubling development time as you can share the game assets across several platforms. Developers would have to be mad to develop single-platform exclusives, and they only do it because the console manufacturers give them a stack of money which compensates them for the reduced units they will shift. As for in gaming terms, for that 1% that does use the potential, if that really matters to you, it just gets to the heart of what fanboys really care about and that's being elitist - about having 'the best in the world'. If you REALLY want elite, go and spend a few grand on a top range PC and enjoy having the best in the world for about 3 months until the new best thing is released. If you're talking about ANY console generation, elitist attitudes are pointless, because even IF you have the 'ultimate games machine' it's not for long, and it's certainly no better than the exact same model your mate down the street owns. What's elite about that? Buy the system that plays the games you love, and enjoy them. If another console is better and you want it, buy it. If it's not as good as yours, don't bother buying it cos you're happy with what you've got. If you're really happy with your PS3, it doesn't matter what Xbox does. If you feel the need to put Xbox down, then maybe you're not as happy with your PS3 as you thought you were...

10679
10679

@brendanhunt1 "the small list of games u said were good on ps3, there are much better games on ps3" The list that i mentioned were the games that i thought were the best one from your liste that you created. it shouldn't matter what games on the ps3 i like because what games i like is based on my opinion and everyone has a right to their own opinion. @tyco_ex "And, if the game is multi-console it only makes sense that you would buy the cheaper system to play it." Another reason why people would by a multiplatform game on 360 is because most of the time those multiplatform games tend to look and perform better on 360 and ps3. Lost planet, fallout 3 to name a few. "The blu-ray disks can also hold more information on them giving more room to put the games." even if thats is true games Multiplatform games on 360 perform better than ps3 and they use DVD-9 so therefore having a blue player for games is really not that necessary.

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

@tyco_ex actually xbox overtook ps3 with the most exclusives in sepetember 2008 second, developers are using nearly 100% of ps3 power, but only the exclusive ones

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

@10679 the small list of games u said were good on ps3, there are much better games on ps3

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

@Max1363 i know what it means just why say it to me, live is better

TheArcade
TheArcade

Not quite sure what you are implying... at present I see few reasons for purchasing a PS3 (it's just as well, right now my financial situation isn't all that great) even if I wanted to buy one just incase it turns out to be the console victor of this generation; It's still incredibly expensive, would have to sacrifice some 360 games to make the purchase. (I really want Fracture!) So yeah, PS2 and my other family of systems will just have to hold me for now. In the way of controller preference, I choose Arcade Stick because it's universal and is more accurate on button inputs. I don't use the 360 controller even though many of my mates do, therefore your "PS3 controller for fighting games" suggestion is a moot point. Majority of fighters are on 360 for the time being, I'd be crazy to ignore that fact, so 360 is the system I'll be playing them on from now on. Let's not forget about Xbox Live, the world is my arena and it's damn near zero lag. I'd be a fool to pass up a deal like that for PS3 fighters just because of "standard" controller difference. For me it's not enough. Typically my favorite system controller is the Mega Drive and Saturn pads. But Arcade stick is truly a fighting fans greatest alley. Plus it's a neutral, I don't have to side with any particular brand controller or hate it since almost all consoles have one. It allows me to play virtually any console using one simple stick type instead of dozens of regular joysticks, that's the beauty of it. Sorry, but I'm not a casual gamer.

tyco_ex
tyco_ex

Sales can be misleading if you truly want to debate what is "better." First off, the average person is a moron. Secondly, the average person isn't rich. 360 is cheaper. Lastly, 360 has had more games and more exclusive for the longest time. And, if the game is multi-console it only makes sense that you would buy the cheaper system to play it. Based on pure specs the ps3 is the more powerful system. It has more processor power among other things. The blu-ray disks can also hold more information on them giving more room to put the games. Will developers ever actually use all this power? Only time can tell.

10679
10679

@tripwire73 "I concede the wireless adaptor is a rip-off," just to add to that point about the wireless adapter becasue you don't have to buy that accessory if you don't want to . @michel_sinay "mmm you are the guy that said that Konan was better the god of War!!!.lame" my opinion about conan is better than god of war shouldn't matter to you. you may find it lame that i hate god of war while i find it lame that you play god of war games. its as simple as that and if you don't like it, thats too bad for you. @brendanhunt1 "10679 millions would disagree and i bet you have never played on a ps3 recently" which comment of mine are you referring to?

Max1363
Max1363

@brendanhunt1 LIVE!=Cadillac VS PSN=India 3 wheel TAXI u prefer which one? Cheaper? if someone offer u a CTS cadillac 2009 for 50$ and a free 3 wheel indian TAXI(slumdog millionaire) which one is your choice? as for me obviously I'm not picking TAXI!!

michel_sinay
michel_sinay

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michel_sinay
michel_sinay

@10679 mmm you are the guy that said that Konan was better the god of War!!!.lame

loftus42
loftus42

@brendanhunt1 LOL, wise choice. Honestly, I could care less which console has the best exclusives, AAA games, etc. I have both consoles, so I get all the best games both consoles have to offer. I AM BROKE! I like both consoles. Just prefer Live over PSn by a whole lot.

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

@loftus42 il wait till somone else starts it

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loftus42
loftus42

@brendanhunt1 You can make as large a list as you want, I am well aware of what the PS3 has. I have one. I just bought KZ2. If you want to talk about just games then your list is relevant, but for exclusives you have to delete DLC, arcade type games, (not partial games, that have not been reviewed) and multiplats. This debate has been done before. But, if you want to start it again, LOL

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

but both companys main goal is to make money

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

@tripwire73 i can see why most people would go for an xbox over a ps3 but my opinion is that i prefer ps3

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

@tripwire73 sony dosent hate there customers, microsoft dosent hate there customers, im just trying to shut up 10679

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

@10679 millions would disagree and i bet you have never played on a ps3 recently

tripwire73
tripwire73

@Brendanhunt1 Ahh my mistake, when you sarcastically stated "Yea sony dosent care about ps3 owners" I thought you were using this to imply that they did. It's clear to me now that your lack of use of the word 'hate' was used to clarify that Sony didn't hate it's customers. Either that, or you're backtracking as your standpoint has no basis in fact. Of course, it's possible that's you're not backtracking, so therefore, by stating Sony don't hate their customers, as opposed to who or what? Are you now implying that Microsoft HATES it's customers? /cut scene to Microsoft sales division "hey, boss, boss! I've got an idea that will really PISS off our customers - let's make the console cheaper!" - Thanks for lifing the veil of naivety from our eyes Brendan :P Oh, and over-priced accessories? like the dualshock 3 (rrp $54.99) and the xbox pad (rrp $49.99)? Yes, I concede the wireless adaptor is a rip-off, and it's annoying that the rechargeble packs don't come with the machine, but given the machine costs less, you've still spent less overall on your xbox even if you choose to buy those accessories. However, it does seem like the UK has it better on pricing for once. PS3 rrp in the UK is £300, whereas X360 Elite is rrp £229, but I got the Resi5 pack for £200. You can see why the cost of a charging kit (£15) is still a big saving from my perspective. Ultimately, I'm no huge fan of Microsoft. I have no loyalty to either MS or Sony, but in this generation, MS haven't really done anything to piss me off, and I get a great gaming experience (which I consider to be easily as good as PS3) for considerably less cash. THAT is why people are buying Xbox, and Sony fanboys seem to be the only people that can't see that. The other thing they can't see is that if they got their way - that there was only 1 dominant console, only 1 choice - then the gamers would be getting milked left, right and centre. Trust me - everything that MS and Sony do is not about 'caring for the customer', it's about getting market share, and out-doing the other. So basically, whatever you love about PS3 is a direct result of the competition from the other players in the game, and if you don't believe that, why do you think Sony released PS3 when they are still making money from PS2? To compete with Xbox. Sony: "The next generation starts when we say it starts"... Let's see if they repeat that mistake in the next-gen.

10679
10679

@brendanhunt1 out of all the ps3 exclusives that you have listed , games like Uncharted 2: Among Thieves Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Wipeout HD Killzone 2 Heavenly Sword are the only good ones , the rest are okay games especially mgs4.

10679
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@wahyudil "I will buy PS3 only for MGS4 ang Little Big Planet ... is that worth it?" definetly not lol. @brendanhunt1 "Yea sony dosent care about ps3 owners, thats why it makes online free and continues to update the system." if sony actually charge for PSN than sony debt would be smaller. secondly i have a ps3 and i havae played online i can tell you that psn is hundred times worse than Live . Everytime you play the games lags so much and sometimes even crashes. i play the same game on 360 none that occurs so i rather pay for Live as it ensures top quality online experience. If sony really care about consumers than they would have given a ps3 price drop. just look at what happened when 360 had one . the increase in the consumers was quite big. and there i s an article released recently where sony said that there was no immediate plans in dropping the price of the ps3. @tuvideo87 "But the ps3 is the console with more potential. ps3 is the ultimate gaming machine and you know that." first of all why would i be arguing on how bad the ps3 is compared to the 360 if i knew the ps3 is an ulitmate gaming machine. according to you ps3 is aconsole with more potential but so far every multiplatform game that released on 360 and ps3 at the same time, seems to look better on 360 and if the ps3 is an ulimate gaming machine why is it last in this console generation. don't use an excuse for the 360 having a year advantage because sony has been in the consoel industry much longer than microsoft did therefore sony should have a much larger fanbase than microsoft therefore the one year advantage shouldn't matter for sony as they should have easily beaten the lead with that fanbase and if yoou don't count the one year advantage , since the ps3 release 360 has sold 2million more copies than ps3.