Racing genre needs next gen - Blur dev

Former Blur, Project Gotham Racing developer says it's difficult to push racing games at end of console cycle; new systems will help generate interest.

The racing game genre needs a new generation of consoles to thrive, former Blur and Project Gotham Racing developer Gareth Williams told OXM recently. Currently serving as chief designer on Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, Williams says consoles with increased power will spur gamers to pick up a simulation racing title.

Next-gen tech will spur excitement for the racing genre, says Williams.

"We need a new console," he went on. "Racing games always do well when a new console comes out, and you do a new physics engine and improved graphics, but towards the end of a console cycle it's always quite hard to push racing games, I think, because if you've Dirt 1 do you need Dirt 3? If you've got PGR3 do you need PGR4? I'm not so sure. It really relies on technology, the racing genre. Maybe more than other genres."

Wilson was vague about what new technology would allow simulation racing game developers, saying only that new hardware would bring about "another level of immersion and quality."

Nintendo's Wii U launches later this year, but the next wave of consoles from Microsoft and Sony are not expected soon. Both companies have confirmed that new systems will not be on hand at the 2012 Electronic Entertainment Expo, with no new hardware news expected until 2013 at the earliest.

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88 comments
DeathKurse
DeathKurse

Terrible article. Racing games are a hit, so long as it's not the same game repackaged with a higher number after the title.

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

"if you've Dirt 1 do you need Dirt 3?"

 

Damn right you do!

 

As Codemasters have discovered the evolution of a very good SP experience can be further enhanced by the addition of (in my opinion) an even better MP experience, with the expected graphical and technical enhancements.

 

My point being, as long as you use your imagination and are not afraid of trying something a little different the outcome can be suprisingly good.

danish-death
danish-death

 @MADPADDY I agree. Would GT6 be a much better game than GT5 with increased graphics and physics? No. It would take a lot more, starting with a revamped A and B-spec mode.

MADPADDY
MADPADDY

Load of crap,if a dev team cant come up with a winner without having to blame the current hardware then im sorry but your in the wrong job.The current consoles are more than good enough to make a great racing game.once again as we see more and more Dev teams are blaming anything and everything...BUT themselves.

anticusho1984
anticusho1984

I guess it's hard for people to understand after being trapped on their consoles, ones you see a PC what better graphics sound, physics, etc affect the immersion of the game it's easy to see his point, you jump from dirt 2 to dirt 3 on PC for many reasons and one is the impressive graphics

Getbacktogaming
Getbacktogaming

You need Dirt 3 because you need splitscreen... I wish EA could figure that out (along with other things...)! Are you saying GT6 will wait for PS4? That a bummer... after all PS1 had GT1 and GT2 and PS2 had GT3 and GT4... they figure out a way to innovate and sell then, why not now???

Link_Destined_1
Link_Destined_1

I never did see the appeal of racing games aside from kart racers like Mario Kart.

vliege
vliege

I don't think that next gen engines will increase the interest, I do love racing games but they just need new ways to get you interessted in the game, it's one of the most repetitive genres :(

AvnKnight
AvnKnight

This guy makes no sense, I buy Need for Speed whenever the new one comes out I have PGR3 and PGR4, also Midnight Club LA I'll still get on and play. The problem isnt the technology its that not sure how long somene can play Blur and keep going back to it.

PodXCOM
PodXCOM

@jamyskis Oh! "better games", like Call of Duty? IS that what you mean? Don't you want to see more Red Faction, From Dust, Dead Rising, Fracture, MineCraft, Shogun 2 total war, SimCity 5, Or Terraria games? Don't you want to see thousands of monsters attacking a city? Don't you want to see real time giant space battles, like that of Homeworld or Nexus: The Jupiter incident? Don't you want to see buildings destroyed in real-time, like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6kwteEHnpw If you want to see all that, then we NEED to go to the next-gen ASAP.

punkpunker
punkpunker

yeah sure, every dev today is catering to the picky, less informed crowd and rely on multiplayer to "succeed" isnt what this gen need.

jamyskis
jamyskis

Yes, the eternal chase for bigger and better graphics and absolutely no interest in actually making better games. I feel a facepalm coming on.

SadPSPAddict
SadPSPAddict

Interesting theory. I love racing games and play pretty much every one that comes out - don't really see why a new console would make THAT much difference, some for sure but..... I can live in hope :)

FallenOneX
FallenOneX

The Wii U is set up perfectly for a new Forza/GT style of game for Nintendo. The problem is that it isn't their area of expertise. I'm sure the new Mario Kart will entertain me, but the system will need more to survive. Personally, I'd love to play Blur 2 on the Wii U.

Bumblebee1138
Bumblebee1138

These years are hard for racing games but NEED FOR SPEED was able to give different experience every year; Hot Pursuit gave 100% arcade racing with Police campaign which was really awesome. Shift 1 & 2 gives Simulating racing with real world tracks. The Run TRIED to be like Most Wanted and Underground. (Though it failed) See? It's not that bad.

Fernin-Ker
Fernin-Ker

I for one look forward to a next gen Forza for the following reasons. The implementation of good anti aliasing, and at least SOME FORM of texture filtering... That's all I want. XD

aussiemuscle
aussiemuscle

@KiLLLeR150 i agree, developing games on the PC that won't run on the consoles will force the console makers to up their game.

KiLLLeR150
KiLLLeR150

News flash, you don't have to wait! It's called the PC. Constantly advancing, never sitting still and coming to a store near you!

LesserAngel
LesserAngel

I gotta disagree with this guy, racing games do not rely on technology more than other genres, I mean, look at F-Zero (not a realistic racing game, but a racing game none the less) It didn't need superior graphics and physics to be successful, it was successful because it was fun.

flynow
flynow

I could go for a HD trilogy of NFS Underground 1, 2, and Most Wanted.

ztg360
ztg360

There were 2 racing games this gen that stood out to me...Need for Speed Most Wanted...and Burnout Paradise. the first one was released along with 360 and paradise was put out there in I believe 08. I adored Most Wanted and Paradise both granted I have never been into racing sims so naturally they wouldn't catch my attention but I am also very picky with racing games (I like the burnout series...especially 3 and revenge) and the nfs games (excluding underground as the whole lack of police was a turn off for me)

twztid13
twztid13

I think Dirt 3 & Forza 4 are both amazing, and were most definitely an improvement over their predecssors in many ways. Dirt 2 sucked, and FM4 is dropdead gorgeous. It gives them a chance to fix the stuff that doesn't work, and add more of what the fans like (RALLY racing)!

anigmha
anigmha

I still play Blur to this day and I would buy a sequel even if it's released in this generation. But I get his point.

mustained13
mustained13

"Wilson was vague about what new technology would allow simulation racing game developers, saying only that new hardware would bring about "another level of immersion and quality." This reminds me of the guy who goes around telling people they need something new "just because". Blur was difficult to push because of shoddy advertising by Activision. This game is superb; I still play.

Agent-M
Agent-M

Actually its not the console that makes the game at all.What is really happening is that by the end of the life of a console, developers put nearly everything they have in previous releases and now have nothing new and innovative to offer in the games sequels.

jubdeidamasta
jubdeidamasta

@Slimm457, I want NFS underground 3 as well! But no EA has ruined that franchise with numerous other games. Either way why is everyone acting like this is the end of the current gen. So many things need to fixed before they start another cycle of new consoles.

deadpeasant
deadpeasant

The reason I havnt bought any new racing games is because theres nothing better than Gran Turismo 5 yet. Probably won't be bettered until Gran Turismo 6.

Slimm457
Slimm457

The only racing game that could hook me would be NFS Underderground 3, but with the state of the import scene they probably dont consider it a cash cow anymore

shinspikes
shinspikes

Its sad but true. Racing games always seem to do better when a new console comes out. I play gran turismo and GTR, but I really enjoyed blur. Its sad it didn't do well and you guys got dropped. Wish there was a blur 2, good luck to you guys.

Yomigaeru
Yomigaeru

They don't need new tech; they need new ideas. People aren't buying into the genre because too many of the titles run together. Why would I buy Forza 5, if it's only a marginal upgrade over Forza 4? Jumping to new hardware won't change my opinion on that, either. I feel developers are relying far too much on technical prowess and graphical achievement. It's not a matter exclusive to the racing genre. Look at Final Fantasy XIII. Graphically, it was far beyond it's predecessor. But did that make it a better game? Square Enix made it graphically stunning, and yet it's one of the most limited games of the entire franchise. There's a reason that FInal Fantasy IV has seen so many ports and remakes, despite the fact that it is technically archaic by today's standards. Developers need to think beyond technical achievement, and look to innovation. A great creative mind doesn't complain about the limitations of the medium; they work within them to create something unique. Here's my question to developers: how massive could you make a game on today's hardware if you relegated the graphics to retro, 8-bit sprites?

anirin
anirin

I agree with him - it's a shame but I think he's got a point. Blur is great fun too, very underrated. The genre needs more fresh ideas and Blur gets its experimentation right IMO.

Zidaneski
Zidaneski

You know what I always wanted? A simulation driving game where you can drive around cities completing tasks while obeying the traffic laws. I mean I always get more of a rush going on freeways and doing last second lane changes from my everyday driving than racing in video games. Of course racing should be the main part but I think it would be awesome to sit down and think about the possibilities. I mean at least release something like it to test fan reaction.

THMBZDownGNZUp
THMBZDownGNZUp

Nex-gen racing games should be street racing NFS again. It was very fun creating custom cars, racing the quarter-mile, etc.

Master_Turismo
Master_Turismo

As long as Codemasters, Polyphony Digital and Turn 10 make another awesome title next gen, I'll be happy.

Ziberg
Ziberg

Kinda of off Topic but I want NFS: Underground 3

DAMSOG
DAMSOG

spoken from a man who made a "crappy" title, Blur was rubbish because everyone was expecting no5 in the PGR series, Forza4 is testament to the fact that if you make a good game people will buy it.

Tribesmaster
Tribesmaster

The racing genre needs Road Rash. That is all.

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

I think the man has a point. There's only so much you can do with racing games before we get lumped with gimmick games like Blur, Split Second, Ridge Racer and the repeat offender Need For Speed.

Flint247
Flint247

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ferrarimanf355
ferrarimanf355

The next gen of console games should offer 60FPS racing games with lots of detail, so yeah, I agree with him. And I would love a Daytona USA remake for next-gen consoles. The PSN and XBLA rereleases of Daytona just whet my appetite. :-)

DefunktJunk
DefunktJunk

Blur was fun.. for a lil while anyway.

pszone
pszone

think next raceing games that you can walk to the car in real time and the inside bam.:)

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

 @MADPADDYAbsoloutely right!

 

Even if these devs had access to future technology, with the ability to create 'Photo Realistic' graphics and real world physics, a vast majority of them would still fall way short of creating an engaging and well designed product, this would mainly be due to the lack of imagination and not the technology at their disposal.

 

Peter_Desert
Peter_Desert

@MADPADDY but take forza 4 for example. It is a brilliant game, the content is great, the way the game is laid out is good and aside from very few improvements(matt paint and other effects, more interesting top gear related stuff, minor sound effects adjustments, etc) there is really not much 

more that can be done with the game without more hardware. more hardware means more parameters that can be inserted in the engine which equals better physics and more tuning options.

PS:more power means that they will be able to implement weather more easily.

Tribesmaster
Tribesmaster

 @FollowY0urBliss I can imagine it hassome nasty images. :PThey need to make a new Road Rash game though. The ability to play online with friends, and give them a good smash in the face with a crowbar and embarrass them. Maybe have a mode where players can play as the cops and take down racers, and watch hilarious crashes. And customizable bikes and all sorts of other stuff. I know I would buy a new road rash for full price, and I haven't paid for a racing game in years.