PS5 will be a controller and monitor, says Tekken producer

Katsuhiro Harada believes future of industry is not in dedicated hardware, but rather services.

The PlayStation 4 launches on November 15 and could be the last traditional console Sony releases, according to Tekken producer Katsuhiro Harada.

In a new Famitsu interview (translated by Kotaku), Harada said a potential PlayStation 5 would include a controller and monitor only.

"I think in the future, it'll will be a contest of services instead of hardware," Harada said, noting that he expects cloud services to advance over time.

Sony will roll out its Gaikai-powered cloud service on the PlayStation 4 next year in North America, before releasing the platform on PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita later.

"When there's the PS5, it will probably be just a controller and a monitor," Harada added. "Then, the thing that will be left is the name of the service."

Harada is not alone. Sony president of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida suggested last month that the PlayStation brand is likely to evolve from hardware to a service, though a physical console remains important, at least for now, he said.

"We previously spoke about PlayStation going from hardware to something closer to a service, regardless of the device," Yoshida said at the time. "Of course, PlayStation will still be the center, but I think we would like to expand to different things."

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456 comments
snessnes
snessnes

thats totally bullshit. 

how can you create a commercial for ps5?  or what will you be in your mind when you hear ps5?


harada is stupid. he killed tekken serie.. we can find tekken 3 and 4 anymore.. today we have stupid girl fighter and a bear with stupid hat... tekken seris is dead.. now harada talking stupid things...

thisBlueDude
thisBlueDude

Microsoft+DRM=insta-hate....Sony says it and its amazing. PSfanboys=FAIL

wil_50n
wil_50n

when ps5 become a service,new game gets release for 60$

10 years later,the game shut down cause they are not "economically viable"

5 years later,re-release as remaster for another 60$

YAY!!!

Triton
Triton

Everybody just calm down... lets get past this next gen first and see what all it has to offer.

Supertoast_GT
Supertoast_GT

That will be a system I will never buy. Why? Simple and obvious:

1: Are internet connections allways reliable? Hell no. Rarely at all. That means if you have a slowed, or effed up connection, you have a brick. Fun!

2: Visual quality will be lacking. Sure it would be footage rendered on an ultra-high end server, BUT, you'll be getting a compressed, and delayed video feed. Think of a grainy compressed jpeg on facebook where you can barely read the text. That's what you'll be seeing more or less. Maybe not that bad, but certainly not good looking. Also, a 60fps feed for games like CoD would be unlikely, or would eat ALOT if not all of your bandwidth if it was of decent quality.

3: Latency, or Imput\Output delay: When you have the hardware at home, your controller connects directly to the system in question. Meaning when you press a button, something happens right away more or less. Where as on a streaming device, your imput goes out through many servers before the system recieves your imput. Even the best connections arren't instantanious. Think about firing a gun. You pull the trigger, and it fires a second or two after, rather than right away like it should. That's pretty bad for fast paced games.

4: Bad for multiplayer: That 720p/1080p video feed of the game you are streaming, along with imputs being uploaded will hog some bandwidth, meaning your connection to multiplayer sessions will take a decent hit.

Streaming games is a terrible idea alltogether. If this ever becomes "The big thing", then I'll stick to my PS4, and PC games on disc, or my old downloaded files on hard drives. Not buying into it. Again: Net issues? Congrats! You bought a brick!  It's like buying a car, and OCCASIONALLY borrowing the engine. Anyone with common sense will refuse this.

erMonezza
erMonezza

Hah, many, maaaaaaaaaaany people want something tangible in their hands. 

Damn, I still buy games on dvd's. I prefer it that way, otherwise, to me, it looks like I gave money away for some 0s and 1s. 

I'm getting old.

mathg04
mathg04

OneLive is a controller and a monitor, now look how well they're doing...

tightwad34
tightwad34

At least let the PS4 to be out and about for a while before saying anything like this. Oh, nevermind. I forgot to look at who wrote the article. Nothing to see here.

sunbeam4
sunbeam4

not everybody will be ok with cloud gaming. unless they make it F2P. but a lot of enthusiast won't be satisfied.

Raymond11
Raymond11

PS4 is not yet lunch their like a a month left and Sony is already talking about PS5 that mean they already starting to create and design PS5. so let see how long will it take them to create PS5.

SiLenTWarrior29
SiLenTWarrior29

WHOOOAAA!!! SLOW DA FUUK DOWN!! I don't wanna see a 5 yet cmon now. Next gen hasn't even started yet.

ZeroX91
ZeroX91

Oh gawd....the ps4 hasn't even launched yet and this guy is dreaming about the next version....

XNEXUS666X
XNEXUS666X

Ah, so Sony was waiting for the PS5 to impose DRM.

by-passer
by-passer

Clearly Mr. Harada has no technical knowledge on computer hardware architecture... The size of modern chips is reaching its physical limit... It will be impossible to reduce PS5 to the size of a peanut, unless he was referring to sticking the PS5 hardware to the back of the monitor... If so,  what is the point? The reason for selling the console separately is because most individuals have their own tv...

And Playstation into a service? Not at least for another decade... That is how long it takes for everyone to own a fibre network...

daveyf03
daveyf03

I like playing games, quite a bit actually.  I don't need them however and there is no way that I would put up with that.

AlchemyCarta
AlchemyCarta

Who else thinks that the "Controller" will be Oculus Rift-based VR tech, and as for the "Monitor, it'll be a all-in-one touch screen system to use and navigate through menus and for 3rd party viewing?

Mkeegs79
Mkeegs79

Will not be the last hardware. Sony even stated a comment referring it wouldn't. The backlash of the Xbox One proved that and 5 more years for a new generation is not long enough to dedicate to just services. People will be the hardware and not having it but only services would scare those who only do that if others will provide hardware. Its the same stance how Microsoft would have clearly lost if it didn't change its tactics.

Buck_Swaggler
Buck_Swaggler

Sony should just make some TVs with PS4 hardware built into it.

de-astroturfer
de-astroturfer

Cloud based services are a con plain and simple, the cloud is designed to force you to pay a minimum fee for the rest of your life otherwise they will deny you access to your games, work, family photo's and what ever else you've uploaded to the cloud. its not the future of computing like they want you to think it is, its a blackmail tool to part you from your money. They want you to think its some utopian future where the concept of ownership is banished but the truth is ownership will still exist only its them owning YOU !

AllDATanNsum
AllDATanNsum

then where are these killer games? name one that impresses me more than a nintendo product.  I would love to have a f-zero 3ds game.  I like my little hardware in my pocket.  I am a name brand product myself, thanks for more sloppy service btw sony.  and so what.


SunicoXD
SunicoXD

PS10 will just feature a cardboard box with Sony logo on it. All games are streamed to your cable box, thus eliminating the need of specialized console hardware and the game played itself, thus eliminating the need of controller. 

beuneus12
beuneus12

so consoles will be the next Verizon cable box? Not looking forward to that at all!

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

So is PS7 going to be those tiny flying spheres with direct neural interface or what? :)

Dantes0007
Dantes0007

Yeah right by the PS6 and the Xbone two will be only need eyes toy and Kinect LoL.

valium88
valium88

That would mean the death of AAA to consoles, and PC will go back to the good old days of changing hardware at least once a year to be up to date.

bjvill
bjvill

I know not with what consoles the 9th Generation will be played, but Generation 10 will be played with Sticksbox and Playstones

Hellhound30x
Hellhound30x

well then this next gen is my last. I'm not interested in "services" and "dlc-ed" to death. They can all kiss my ass!

holtrocks
holtrocks

I think if we get another generation of consoles it will essentially be a steam box, under a new name, its pointless to limit yourself to hardware that's outdated by the time it comes out and then keep that same hardware for 7+ years, it hold the entire industry back.

veryDERPY
veryDERPY

could be the last traditional console Sony releases

 must be butthurt after pulling that out his ass

jinzo9988
jinzo9988

Personally I don't believe it because it seems like every major game that has a major online component has completely fallen flat on its ass when it comes to servicing the online demand.  Diablo 3, SimCity, A Realm Reborn, Grand Theft Auto 5... and those are individual games.  How on Earth are you going to handle cloud-rendered services and shifting everyone to an online-only experience if some of the biggest devs and publishers in the world can't handle what we have now?

truexavier
truexavier

Can't they have both where you own ONE console and then buy a disc but then install the disc digitally and then connect to a service where you can share your digital games with family members or anyone else for that matter so that way you get to own your games and have your cake too?  They could call it PlayStation One.

anix21
anix21

no more game collection on the shelves

nathanmaxtro
nathanmaxtro

Doesn't surprise me at all.


Hell, I'm pretty sure that if Sony wanted to they could stream PS4 games through Gaikai next year.

Legend002
Legend002

No more owning games.... :'(

GONtheSKYLORD
GONtheSKYLORD

C'mon people. You're all raging about something that MIGHT happen almost a decade down the line. Relax. Your opinion may even change by then. All digital, like any new tech, is taking time to catch on.

rushiosan
rushiosan

Wii U has both and is failing hard. I'd say Nope.

danielcgn
danielcgn

@thisBlueDude No one is saying it's amazing AND Microsoft announced the DRM policy and stuff for next gen. Here we are talking about "PS5" at least 5 years from now. 

R_Mckay
R_Mckay

@Supertoast_GT EXACTLY! unless the entire world is running unprecedented internet speeds with no lag and constantly stable connection... NOTHING will ever beat a standalone console or PC when it comes to gaming... but what the heck let them DREAM :D and if they decide to ACTUALLY DO IT.... I'll be getting a whole lot of PS4s and XBox console and upgrading my PC for OFFLINE gaming :)

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

@ZeroX91 of course they are in their underground secret Sony Labs. That would be a fact.

FrankZoex2
FrankZoex2

@by-passer Exactly, everyone is saying this gen will be 10 years so by that time a service powered gaming device probably will be a reality.

jhcho2
jhcho2

@Buck_Swaggler  

Not a good idea. Many people already have top of the line TVs, and basically want a new console, not a new TV. Doing that will basically flood the market with too many variants of ps4 hardware, many of which would be something people do not want. Not to mention that you're paying for both a TV and a console. So the ideal target market are people who basically want a new console with no HDTV whatsoever.

AllDATanNsum
AllDATanNsum

@de-astroturfer they also tell us what is cool and hip to have, own, think about and vote for.  the dude that said this what just going for braggen rights for sony, because he want to claim the ps4 will do just that well.  whatever and go OUYA!


Halloll
Halloll

@holtrocks new hardware every year, now that would make game development harder and more expensive, or at the very least low optimization and compatibility issues. what holds the industry back is the thought that hardware is more important than game design.

Mkeegs79
Mkeegs79

@holtrocks Limit yourself? No its not. New hardware every year would just confuse consumers. That has already been proven. New hardware every year would just mean that they would either have to take a loss or they would have sale it at a ridiculous price. On top of that, they would have to make all hardware compatible with each other and developers would have to optimized for all the hardware. Your thought is ridiculous.

FrankZoex2
FrankZoex2

@jinzo9988 That's multiplayer though, different kettle of fish. Streaming single player should be less complex, you don't have to track a million users and in game things and integrate it all with others. All those games (apart from Diablo admittedly) suffered from those problems. Of course there is the bandwidth issue but perhaps in the future that will be sorted.

Schudel123
Schudel123

@truexavier Wow how much thought did you put into this??? They already have a Playstation One not only that WHY name it taht when Xbox named there new oone XBox One  can tell your not a true playstation fan GG!!

holtrocks
holtrocks

@Legend002 Not necessarily Steam has proven you can do this method why still giving complete ownership to the buyer.

hystavito
hystavito

@Legend002 Not just games, we own less and less of the "products" we pay for as time goes on.

Schudel123
Schudel123

@rushiosan The Wii is not an ideal gaming system anyways no HDMI connections and it also tells you to get off for awhile what is the pont in that if i am playing a game i want to play it as long as i can sorry to say it but the wii was a waste of time and BIG steap BACKWARDS..... Epic fail for nintendo!!!!

Mkeegs79
Mkeegs79

@Schudel123 @rushiosan If Nintendo makes these continued backward steps and don't go into a service like market (which I don't think Sony and Microsoft will do during the next gen after this upcoming one) than it would actually benefit them and people will stick and move to Nintendo to spite the change of a cloud like service. I can't see Nintendo doing anything like that.