PlayStation 4 will stream PlayStation 3 games - Report

Cloud streaming service in the PlayStation 4 designed said to allow users to play PlayStation 3 games on the next-gen console.

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The PlayStation 4 will be able to stream PlayStation 3 games over the Internet, according to a report published by The Wall Street Journal.

Citing sources "familiar" with Sony's plans, the WSJ reports that "the new technology, to be unveiled Wednesday along with the new console, will allow users to play games delivered over the Internet, these people said. The streaming service, they added, is designed to use current PlayStation 3 titles on the new console; the new device is also expected to play new games stored on optical discs."

The WSJ adds that streaming support in the PlayStation 4 comes alongside "other enhancements to bolster its position on the market," but does not go any further into what these might be.

Two photographs of the PlayStation 4's devkit controller have surfaced recently, showing a front-facing touch screen and an integrated speaker. Another rumour has said Sony will be focusing on new play options as opposed to technical power, though one leaked specification sheet for the PlayStation 4 suggests a machine significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 3.

Sony acquired streaming company Gaikai last year for $380 million, and since then the Gaikai website has teased pictures of Uncharted, Killzone, and Metal Gear Solid.

Sony today updated its website for PlayStation Meeting 2013 to show a video titled PlayStation Evolution, which could potentially be teasing a PlayStation 4 unveiling at the New York event on February 20, which will take place at 18:00 EST/15:00 PST/23:00 GMT. GameSpot will be in attendance and broadcasting the event live.

For the latest PlayStation 4 information, check out GameSpot's previous coverage.

Discussion

1205 comments
fcga1976
fcga1976

This cloud based BC will be good only for Japan, and other asian countries. Here in latin america, well, we will still in the smoke sign era...... too slow for playing cloud based games.


Jak-25
Jak-25

Remind me again why Sony can't just release an add-on?

commanderxp90
commanderxp90

I hope the PS4 better have backward compatible. If it does happen, then I will be willing to pay for a full of price on it. :P

kayos539
kayos539

Just make it backwards compatible FFS. You'd think they would have learned by now with the PS3. No one's going to be able to afford the bandwidth to stream enormous data like that. And if we have to pay for games that we already own in order to stream them, I'm through with next-gen.

DarkSaber2k
DarkSaber2k

I love the people crowing about the so-called DDR5 RAM that will supposedly whup PC's ass because they "don't have that". Yeah not true. If you're talking system RAM then there isn't DDR4 at mass market yet, and if you're talking GPU RAM we've had that since 2008.

farcorners
farcorners

streaming enormous data files. Great for Korea. Crap for Australia.

dhawk360
dhawk360

im pretty sure the ps4 will be able to play all ps3 games because they r using the same disc format, which is blue ray. there is only one kind of blue ray disc i think. so the ps4 must be able to play ps3 games because the ps4 will still have a blue ray disc lens reader


squidracerX
squidracerX

I own so many PS3, PS2, and PSOne games this launch version better have some backwards compatibility, im not buying and streaming all the games I already have.....

GH05T-666
GH05T-666

Has anyone noticed u can sign into steam with a PlayStation account? 

Have u always been able to do this and what games can u get if you do it?

I havent tried it yet but i seen it on the website.

check it out if u havent seen it at the steam website.

shnelle
shnelle

So I have to buy my PS3 games twice oh joy.  And how bout playstation 2 games cause sorry but I still like playing them.  Think I'll stick to the original backwards compatible PS3 for a while.

Hvac0120
Hvac0120

The service would also be good for demos; eliminating the need to download and install just to try a game when Internet is available. Would still want a download option.

Hvac0120
Hvac0120

Sounds like an inventive way to use the service and provide backwards compatibility. Only problem is that gamers would likely have to repurchase the games to play them.

Unless this is an incentive to pay for Playstation Plus and the service works like Netflix were you can play any game on the service so long as your PS+ subscription is active.

Takeno456
Takeno456

I really hope this streaming hype wears off quickly. I just think it would be too unreliable especially for games with heavy multiplayer components.

hellangel_boy
hellangel_boy

If I can play my physical PS3 games on PS4 then it would be nice but if not then.....I still have my ps2, why not leave the ps3 as well. Maybe it will be like the PSP and the PSV, where you could play games you bought with the same account on the PSP, on the PSV, I just wish there won't be many restrictions.

swamptick
swamptick

How long before they break this promise. We all remember how many broken promises they had on the PS3 launch.

Hellhound30x
Hellhound30x

No matter what I'm buying a ps4.... so just bring it SONY!!! Show these other consoles makers what a real console supposed to be like!

superkadeemx
superkadeemx

my original fat PS3 is still in tip top shape and plays both ps1 and 2 games. my original wii still plays gamecube games. im not really that worried if the Wii U or PS4 is backwards compatible this time around, i'll just have to make more room when im good and ready to buy the upgrades. plus with a PC im set when it comes to gaming.

phatpantzz
phatpantzz

Typical money making ploy by Sony to force consumers to buy only new PS4 games.

I'd be pretty pissed off if my Flat Screen TV could no longer show movies made before 2012


JJMikhail
JJMikhail

It sounds like a great idea but lets see what Sony think of my Virgin Media 100MB Fibre Optic connection.

Firstly, it's not consistent as I don't fast speeds during the day, I have even had letters from Virgin Media stating that speeds during the day are slower and to use the internet more during nights.  Not sure what they're playing at, I pay for a service and I expect the speed any time, simple fraud and false advertising.

Secondly, today just now, for some reason, I have had slow speed issues when playing videos at 360p on youtube, how the bloody hell is it going to be when playing games on the cloud?

In conclusion one thing I have learnt over time is not to sell the console you already have, lesson learnt from the Xbox to Xbox 360.  Had plenty of games, the promise of allowing us to play with the backward technology was a complete farce and a simple opportunity for Microsoft and Sony to leach more money from us.  Not happening this time.

No ladies and gentlemen, this will tried and they will see how much money they can make of it, Microsoft will follow suit.  It's as if these guys work a simulator, looking at where they can the most money and in what places, perhaps they are seeing something we don't?

Unless these consoles really show their power and ability like the most powerful PC's then I will consider buying otherwise more "clapping like seals" at conferences and gimmicks attached to Games then I am definitely out.

The console industry has fallen apart since the N64.

sieg6529
sieg6529

Wow, not interested.  How many PS4 exclusives will there be that I can't get on the PC?  Precious few.  For the first time in 30 years, I think I'll sit out the next console wars.  

Pyrosa
Pyrosa

LOL... "Congrats -- you get to buy your old games again!"  Thanks again, Sony.

Phazevariance
Phazevariance

Sony going casual? Focusing on play options instead of technical power.  Well its obviously going to be more powerful, but probably not "way" more powerful. That suggest finding new ways of playing meaning more ways to open up for the casual market so they can get more capital.  Sounds like what MS and Nintendo are doing.

shiotaka
shiotaka

Has anyone thought what if instead of the PS4 streaming PS3 games they made the PS3 stream   PS4 games!!.. That way people could get a taste of PS4 without investing in a PS4.  Sure you would get a bit of lag and the quality would be top notch but then if you liked it enough you could invest in a proper PS4.  I think this is a great idea and would encourage a lot more users to invest in a PS4.

DarkSaber2k
DarkSaber2k

@farcorners And most people in the USA too. Oh the internet companies must be spanking themselves silly at the thought of all the money they are gonna make off people going over their data cap coz of this!

Rotondi
Rotondi

@dhawk360 I'm no whizkid but there's gotta be more to it than that.

Zloth2
Zloth2

@shnelle Not neccessarily.  They could put in just enough backwards compatibility to read the PS3 disk, figure out what game it is, then let you play over Gaikai while the disk is in the drive.  (Though I'm sure there would be a purchase option, too.)

DeViLzzz
DeViLzzz

@Hvac0120 The service still requires bandwith/usage and OnLive tried this garbage and failed as we are not in an era where internet for everyone suits this type of gaming situation.

adamlyons87
adamlyons87

@Hvac0120 - I agree with your second suggestion.  I don't think they could get away with charging customers to pay for a PS3 game they already own.  It is more likely, assuming they charge at all (hey, we can dream!) that they'll require you to have Playstation Plus or something similar to play old games.

DeViLzzz
DeViLzzz

@Hellhound30x No matter what you are buying it ?  So much negativity surrounding the ideas for these new consoles and you are sold already ?  Good God !

Tremblay343
Tremblay343

@phatpantzz your TV doesn't have completely new guts.  PC games are always backwards compatible because they're not optimized for specific hardware.  The architecture changes significantly with each console iteration and making it backwards compatible out of the box would cost a lot of money.

The PS3 dropped $100 when they went from hardware to software compatibility.   And that's just for ps2 hardware.  Sony seems pretty keen on going with a more traditional set up thing time, could you imagine the cost of hardware backwards compatibility in the PS4.  I guess they could do software, but not everything would work anyways.

 So either they leave it in and people complain it's too expensive, or they take it out and people complain about lack of backwards compatibility.

shingui5
shingui5

@Pyrosa just keep your PS3, then you don't have to rebuy your games. 

mlcarter815
mlcarter815

@Phazevariance The hardware manufacturers can't afford to keep up with PC hardware. They have to focus on play options. 

Kiaininja
Kiaininja

@shiotaka Or better yet they can bring the streaming service to the PC. No need to buy the PS4 if you can play it on your Kickass gaming PC Rig. And since Sony is sure to loose money on each console they don't have anything to loose and lots to gain by bringing this service to the PC crowd also. Now we can play Uncharted, God Of War, and other exclusives on the PC!

kratos-lll
kratos-lll

@shiotaka The whole idea of a new console is for it to be far better than the previous one. The ps3 doesn't even have enough RAM to get cross game chat, and you want them to stream PS4 games onto the PS3? that'll just make people think that PS4 isn't better than the PS3 since the PS3 is able to stream PS4 games haha

DarkSaber2k
DarkSaber2k

@Rotondi @dhawk360 A LOT more to it than that. I love PS3 fanboys who think they know what the hell they are talking about just because they bought a PS3.

brouzeau
brouzeau

@Zloth2 @shnelle That seems like the most logical way this would work, otherwise the community will be up in arms against Sony.

Hvac0120
Hvac0120

@DeViLzzz @Hvac0120 that's why I said with an option to download. So you don't have to rely on a stream.

Securator
Securator

@DeViLzzz @Hellhound30x Cmon dude admit it,everyone here will buy the next gen consoles regardless of features.Even if sony gives us just another ps3 in a box that says ps4,people are still buying that shit.So yeah, we can only hope ps4 is good.

Zloth2
Zloth2

@kratos-lll @phatpantzz Errrr, I've been playing Baldur's Gate 2 and Thief just fine under Windows 7 and... OH!  You mean that OTHER Microsoft thingy.  Yeah, I agree with that. ;)

shiotaka
shiotaka

@Kane04 @shiotaka 

no it isn't as the game image is being streamed to the PS3,the ps3 is doing nothing but only allowing you to view and control the PS4 game which is being remotely rendered.

shiotaka
shiotaka

@kratos-lll @shiotaka 

The PS3 can't do Cross game chat due to lack of RAM whilst playing a PS3 game but it can certainly stream a PS4 game via Gaikai.  Instead of a trailer people could explore a PS4 demo and interact with it, helping them compare to their existing PS3 and why it warrants an upgrade (or not)

ggregd
ggregd

@93ChevyNut You're way off.  What you're describing is how a multiplayer game works, not a streamed game.  Streaming is exactly what you say it isn't.  Gaikai games currently run in a web browser, meaning there is no client processing whatsoever going on.  

If video in 1080p is watchable on YouTube, then you can also stream games.

The unreliability of the system so far is its drawback. No one has made it anywhere near as smooth as playing locally.

93ChevyNut
93ChevyNut

Shiotaka, you are mistaken.  No streaming games are remotely rendered.  The processor power on servers would be astronomical.  That's why you rely on local hardware.  The only thing streamed is the information needed to render the game locally.  For example, if you play CoD online, the server just tells your PS3 where the players are at, what direction they're facing, how fast they're going and when they're shooting (a relatively small data set).  Your PS3 then takes that information and draws it on the screen while sending the same data set about your character to the server for other PS3s to use.  Streaming ALL the data would be huge.  One frame of a 1080P game is 1920x1080, which is 2.07 MB of data.  On a game that renders at 30 frames per second, your looking at 60.14 MB per second download.  In an hour of gaming, you'll have downloaded 216 GB of data.  I don't know too many ISPs that can support that.  I'm not even sure if Google Fibre could handle it.

Kane04
Kane04

@shiotaka @Kane04 Alright I admit my choice of words wasn't the best, let me re frase.

That's impossible.

Sony has been losing millions (billions?) you think they would put that kind of system in place?
That's what demo stations at the mall and trailers, gameplay videos are for.

shiotaka
shiotaka

@kratos-lll @shiotaka 

True.  I think if it was a demo of interactive features and game mechanics eg. look how many objects on the screen and look how much you can zoom in whilst maintaining detail etc instead of a game demo it would work well.

kratos-lll
kratos-lll

 @shiotaka I always thought demos had bad effects on games. The whole idea of having a demo is for people to enjoy it and than want to purchase it, but by doing this they jeopardise the games in a way that might make people realize it isn't as good as they thought it would be. Thats why you never see Activision releasing demos for COD until its been out on the market for a few months. A PS4 demo might have the same effect.