PES 2015 Dev Defends Microtransactions, Says They're Aimed At People Strapped for Time

It's all about giving players a choice, Konami says.

When Konami announced last week that Pro Evolution Soccer 2015 would feature microtransactions, some fans didn't take the news so well. Now, a Konami studio head has spoken out to explain and defend the way in which users can spend real-world money for virtual items in the professional soccer game.

In PES 2015, you can use Game Points, the in-game virtual currency, to recruit new players to your myClub roster. But you'll also be able to spend real-world money for the same thing. Konami studio head James Cox explained that letting people spend real money is merely an optional alternative, and one that he thinks is beneficial for people who are pressed for time.

"If you don't have a lot of time, then with microtransactions you can go buy a lot of players that you want," Cox told IGN. "But you also can earn Game Points in the mode and other parts of PES as well. We're trying to link things together so you can progress and build your team [normally]. The idea is that we're trying to just give the players the choice of what they want to do. Some people have more time, some people have more money. Some people have a bit of each! Either way, you'll have the choice."

Cox also explained that when players do elect to spend real-world money on PES 2015, they will know exactly what they're getting for their money. "The general principle is that you will be able to buy the players you want," he said. "The exact final mechanic is all still being tuned, but yes--if you want to buy Ronaldo, one way or another, you will be able to do that. And you will be happy with what you spend your money on."

The full details on how this will work are still being finalized. More details are expected to be divulged about PES 2015's myClub mode in August at Gamescom.

Microtransactions in full-priced games are nothing new. Major franchises like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Forza, and Grand Theft Auto all have them. In the case of Gran Turismo 6's microtransactions, Sony took a similar line to Konami, saying microtransactions are a way in which busy people can catch up with their friends who might have more time to play.

PES 2015 launches this fall for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and presumably Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

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drocdoc
drocdoc

Micro-transactions? if you pay full price for this piece of S%T then your already wasting money. 

TeknoBug
TeknoBug

It's a pile of crap when devs tell you what and why they put in microtransactions, having played MMORPG's for years and having seen MT's slowly creep into the games, it's not a good thing.  MT's are usually for people that has zero patience and wants instant gratification, you should know this already if you play in EA Sports' ultimate team stuff and it's absolutely not fun playing with those types of people.


I played Star Wars The Old Republic from midnight release to the day it went F2P 6 months later, the game instantly stopped being fun after that because 8 of my slots were locked down to 3 and my 3 bays in the bank vault were reduced to 1, being unable to wear my PvP gear that I earned, etc. etc. etc. and then being encouraged to sub $15/mo just to get the 6800 cartel coin reward.  My guild of 450+ all has left to Guild Wars 2 when that happened, and my guild is a Star Wars based outfit that loved Star Wars Galaxies and it's a bad sign to see my guild move to GUILD WARS 2 which isn't Star Wars.


I'm liking the gameplay of PES 15, it's a hella lot better than FIFA 14/15 is.

Horndawgie
Horndawgie

I paid 70 bucks for Phantasy Star II with its 'battery backup storage' back in 1990 for the Sega Genesis. Considering that new game prices have stayed the same while production costs have skyrocketed since then, consider yourselves lucky that these are only optional MCs so far. Sure, there are a lot more gamers now than back then but there also was no Gamestop selling used either. 

The only issue I have with PES is that it doesn't have nearly the content FIFA has. This game should not be full price. I bought PES last year and that was an unfinished game. 

dexterza
dexterza

F2P games I understand as the gamer does not initially pay for the game so the devs have to make their money somewhere. But...for a franchise that many gamers have followed for many years and paid for the actual game...this a HUGE slap in the face. They can BS all they like about aiming at people "strapped for time" - but at the end of the day we are not fooled. Konami - do not treat us like imbeciles...the days of Devs bullsh*tting the people are long gone! This is purely to make extra money on the side to make up for the loss you will take if FIFA out performs you again this time round...and we all know this WILL be the case! Konami have frankly gotten lazy...which is crazy given how good their gameplay used to be. I have been playing PES 14 for a couple of months now. IT SUCKS! AND..to add insult to injury..I have discovered something while playing Master League....SCRIPTING!!! It isn't quite as pronounced as FIFA's (the reason why I refuse to play that crap ever again) but it is there! 

The only thing PES had going for it over FIFA was gameplay. Well, wakey wakey Konami - FIFA has all but caught up. Your gameplay has taken a massive backslide in PES 14. The rest of your game feels like an empty shell dammit!! between games in ML there is...NOTHING!! FIFA at least has newsreels and players wanting to leave your club, transfer news etc etc etc. You have...NOTHING!! FIFA commentators even mention the fact that one of your players want to leave the club during the actual match, which is a great touch.

Your commentary has not improved for the last 5-6 years - even though you use actual commentators from the BPL! WTF?!

PES 13 at least had a lady come and tell you news in ML every week...bland as that was at least it was something!

I'm actually so tempted to buy FIFA 15 - scripting and all (we all know it will be there...)  just so i can have some flipping content when I play as a team manager. 

I mourn for you Konami, I really do...

sensei_hEnRY
sensei_hEnRY

a real gamer will put enough time to play their game the way it supposed to be play, not buy a short cut. Unlock something on the game with real money instead of game progression, what's the fun of that?

2torman
2torman

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TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

The gaming industry is in dire need of a Revolution.


It's time for this nonsense to stop.

Eregian
Eregian

They could just release some cheat codes if they're that concerned for people with time issues.

daikkenaurora12
daikkenaurora12

"strapped for time" is the go to excuse for developers.

jknifeza
jknifeza

i personally hate the fact that we have to deal with  these MT's,i mean i paid for a full game why must i now still pay to progress or for other content.the direction this might be headed is that we eventually get half a game and then have to pay for extra content or any other content.


its like buying a car without wheels and then having to pay the dealer for wheels so you can drive it...lol

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

Like it or lump it, microtransactions are to stay. Deal with it.

bj91x
bj91x

Cheat codes would have done that just fine. Any follow up excuse?

vackillers
vackillers

The way they have this setup at the moment is pure pay-to-win for the early game. You'll have people just paying with real money to get a completely woop everyone's ass right at release if you're able to just simply "buy" yourself a super team. If that's not pay to win I dunno what is and further more, I understand that it might be to help people that don't have the time to spend literately hours and hours on the game but we all know that's not going to happen. Developers always wonder why gamers have such out-rage over MTs and its because you "Devs" clearly do not think it through, just the other day the Peter Moore from EA was just b!tching about this same argument on here saying its more "accepted" lol.... this is the exact reason why its NOT accept... its just fast becoming that players have "no choice" but pay if they are keep a competitive edge of have a full game anymore.

deadpeasant
deadpeasant

So that's their solution to a problem that they just created. Well that's a happy coincidence then that the solution is people should spend more money. "The idea is that we're trying to just give the players the choice of what they want to do." Seems like you could also give people the choice in a menu. But that wouldn't work though would it? :-/


This game's been circling the drain for years but now its officially dead.

isshiah
isshiah

It gives players the option to skip the game entirely is what it does.

elheber
elheber

I'm tired of this excuse. I hate how games are trending towards requiring more and more grinding to unlock things that, in an earlier generation, would have easily been accessible either from the start our through a simpler level progression.

If your game's business model encourages making playing more tedious to increase profits, then you're making it all wrong.

AyatollaofRnR
AyatollaofRnR

Remember when you could do the same thing with cheat codes for free.....Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Pewbert
Pewbert

Is that the new excuse for microtransactions? "Oh some people are far too busy to actually play the game properly so they want to be able to pay to win right there and then!"

Corporate pigs.

RicanV
RicanV moderator moderator

I'm strapped for time and can't appreciate microtransactions. *crosses PES off list*

dannydopamine8
dannydopamine8

Microtransactions are a cancer that is growing within gaming. Anyone who supports them should be tossed off a damn cliff

oroelf
oroelf

This would be one thing if it were a single player game, but if you play this game online against other people who have a paid advantage that's when microtransactions clearly aren't fair to people who don't have that kind of disposable income.

fede018
fede018

Microtransactions are here to stay. Complaining about them on the comment section won't change sh.t.

uberjannie
uberjannie

Vote with your wallets guys. Just don't buy PES. 

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

Bunch of tripe.  Go to hell, Konami, and take your nickel and diming with you.


If you're "pressed for time" why are you wasting your life playing video games in the first place?

tsunami2311
tsunami2311

instead of allowing us to cheat like did back in the day for stuff like this, they took the cheating out and named it micro transactions.


Basic they saying you want to cheat you pay us. That is what i think about most micro transactions.

thegroveman
thegroveman

"We realize that impatient gamers and those strapped for time are a potential gold mine, of which we intend to take full advantage.  In fact, we won't admit it, but we researched how much time people are willing to spend before they pay extra, and we put the unlocks just behind that wall, because we're geniuses like that."

wEEman33
wEEman33

"The idea is that we're trying to just give the players the choice of what they want to do."


What if I don't want to spend any more than MSRP on a sports game, and I also don't want to play against teams that have spent real money to get Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi, et al. on their team, because that matchup is completely unfair.


Do I still have a choice, then?


I doubt so, if past sports games (NBA 2K My Team, FIFA Ultimate Team, NHL Ultimate Team, MLB The Show Diamond Dynasty) are any indication.

alien33
alien33

I don't understand why Konami and PES have to eat all the s**t for this. I hate micro-transactions and DLC myself, but when we talk about football, EA is the master of these tactics. I have friends that have paid hundreds of euros in Ultimate Football of Fifa to buy silver & golden packs only through a single year.

Ayato_Kamina_1
Ayato_Kamina_1

The other issue I have with this, and what I see is largely one of the reasons they try and justify putting it in their games now is that it's an infinite well. You cannot get to the end of this as you could in a story game where you play it for 20-40 hours, complete the game and it's done. This is an in game currency where you will always be after more. So you buy 1000 points for $10, buy a few players or contracts (not sure how PES's online works in comparison to fifa's) and eventually you're back where you started... and you might spend another $10. I personally wouldn't do this, but I imagine it's how the developer thinks it will go. So after the course of a few months you've probably racked up another $50 from someone who paid a premium price of $60 for a game. And this isn't for extra content, or a new set of maps or expansion packs... it's just a lazy and greedy attempt at milking more out of their customers.

Ayato_Kamina_1
Ayato_Kamina_1

Won't be buying this... in a world where you're lagging behind EA's Fifa... at what point did you think putting microtransactions in would help claim more fans?


Enough people have already mentioned it, but this is the sort of thing you used to get cheat codes or action replay/game genie things for. I for one will never, ever pay $60 for a game and then pay extra for microtransactions. If a game has them in, it will in fact deter me from buying it in the first place. 


It's a disgrace.

spacecadet25
spacecadet25

Why not allow for cheat codes then, and the use of cheat codes then keeps the gamer from earning achievements while they are activated?  What was wrong with that?

God, I think back and if I had to pay extra money for all the extra characters in the original NBA Jam game instead of using cheat codes provided by the developer, I don't think that game would have been nearly as popular.

Thisisstupid
Thisisstupid

BS.  Companies are deliberately designing games to waste your time so they can offer to speed things up for money. Then to add insult to injury, they then try to say it's giving you more choice so you should like that.


Microtransactions can be done right but it looks like the major companies are determined to do it wrong. 

hellzicke
hellzicke

And I choose not to play your game

Evil_Sidekick
Evil_Sidekick

I have nothing against choice, but the problem is that it is never a "choice".

It goes more or less like this:


> Game without Microtransactions:

* Player A costs 400 Game Points

* You get 50GP for each draw and you get 100GP for each win (example)


> Game with Microtransactions:

* Player A costs 700 GP

* You get 10 GP for each draw and you get 50GP for each win (example)


See the logic? The moment a game has microtransactions, in one way or the other, it is forced on you.
It is a very cynical way of looking at this, but, sadly, it's a reality

Horndawgie
Horndawgie

@dexterza All sports games have scripting. NHL, NBA, FIFA, Madden, MLB. It may be you don't notice it as much in some games but it's there.

jknifeza
jknifeza

@vackillers totally agree even those that have the time to play will pay for players build a super team and then kick everyones a$$!!!

TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

@fede018 

But not buying them with your money will.

And if you don't like what we have to say about it, tough.

You'll just have to #dealwithit

thegroveman
thegroveman

@fede018 It appears that fewer games this year are including mictrotransactions compared to last year, maybe the word of mouth is having an effect.  Regardless, the best way to ensure their failure is not to buy them.

TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

@alien33 

Anyone who uses these kind of business practices should not only have to eat s.hit for it, they should be run out of the industry entirely.


It's time for this to stop.

uberjannie
uberjannie

@Evil_Sidekick Yeah, they always say its for those who is "strapped for time". But in reality, they configure the game so that MOST people are strapped for time if they want it all.


It is like when I argue about free MOBAS, friends of mine always say that LOL is free. Hell no its not free. You have to play like 15 hours of efficient gametime or something to afford one single champ. Compare that to DOTA, where all the important gameplay items (champs) are free.


Valve is the only non-indie company that is left, that has some decency. 

2torman
2torman

@cj24k @2torman I think there is a lot of negativity towards micro-transactions at the moment, games such as dungeon keeper and dead space 3 have confirmed the fears of some that developers will alter game play in order to incentivise the micro-transactions purchase.  These particular examples have been criticised in the media but smaller issues such as how achievements in certain games can be obtained through money haven't necessarily had the spotlight they deserve.

There are some cases whereby micro-transactions have brought about positive improvements to games such as with Fifa and Mass Effect 3 whereby entirely new areas such as multilayer and ultimate team were added to work with the micro-transaction system. Extending the game with this new system is far more preferable than adapting it and has already had much more success.

Whatever the results may be I hope people are able to pass on their issues and help move this section of gaming forward and away from constant controversy.         

terrariafan247
terrariafan247

@uberjannie @Evil_Sidekick Valve is an independent company therefore Valve are indie.