Nintendo's Secret Weapon

What Nintendo's past reveals about its future console.

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You might have already read the news and witnessed the ensuing circus of conjecture, but for the uninitiated: Rumors of Nintendo's next console and its imminent unveiling are percolating, and they aren't the ordinary "a friend of a friend who works for the Petco near the Kmart said" rumors. These are the sorts of rumors that carry some urgency because they've made their way through trusted channels, or more specifically, third-party publishers that are likely privy to such events. Where it all starts to get a little murky is in the details. Is it more powerful than the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3? Will it be backward compatible? Is it true that the control mechanism will have some kind of touch screen? Will it at least display HD resolutions? The answers to these questions vary, and we're left to interpret the vagaries of the situation until Nintendo confirms details. Until it does, if you want a real peek into Nintendo's future, its past serves as a suitable, if not surprising, guide.

The Nintendo DS sprang from the silicon loins of the dual-screen iteration of the Game & Watch, Nintendo's first successful foray into handheld gaming. The Super Nintendo's Mode 7 effects and Super FX chip heralded Nintendo's forthcoming push into 3D worlds and the coming age of polygonal graphics--perhaps too much so, because Nintendo canceled Super FX projects to create greater demarcation between the Super Nintendo and the Nintendo 64. The Nintendo 64DD's roots are traceable to the Famicom and its disk drive. Even the "it's so bad" Power Glove, though only licensed but not developed by Nintendo, and its technological aspirations ostensibly live on in the Wii.

Then there's the 3DS. The entire existence of Nintendo's new handheld platform is expressly owed to Nintendo's sheer stubbornness with 3D technology and its repeated attempts to make it more than an afterthought. This is a company that has constructed no fewer than three devices (starting with the Famicom 3D headset, Virtual Boy, and the GameCube's unused 3D display technology) devoted in some form to the technology. For Nintendo, it was only a matter of time before the technological stars aligned and 3D integration could happen in a logical and nonintrusive way, and quite frankly, we all should have seen it coming.

Two decades in the making.

Of course, hindsight being the great historical equalizer, it's far easier to correlate Nintendo's past with its future when the future is already on store shelves, but the lesson is this: What we perceive as successes or failures in the company's vast product pantheon, Nintendo views as opportunities to extract, improve, and use as a foundation for a new product. To establish a link with Nintendo's next system, the key is to focus on something that falls in line with this entire philosophy; something that reveals an iterative, improvable process; something that gives insight into Nintendo. That something is Animal Crossing.

More than Zelda and more than even Mario, Animal Crossing is Nintendo's hardware functionality test bed--it's the game the company uses to push features that sit outside of what's normally expected of games on Nintendo platforms. It was the first Nintendo game to support connectivity between the GameCube and the Game Boy Advance in a huge way, letting users access a secret island, customize clothing patterns, and even download NES games to the Game Boy Advance. It even supported the woefully underutilized e-Reader and let item exchanges occur via codes in the absence of online functionality. More importantly, its entire premise is built around the internal system clock and how the ensuing passage of time changes the game.

The confluence of time and gameplay is significant in itself because it highlights a concept that had been bouncing around at Nintendo HQ for years. The Satellaview system, an add-on released for the Super Famicom in 1995, was in essence the hardware incarnation of Animal Crossing. Various forms of content, including full downloadable versions of games as well as Satellaview-specific products, were available at designated times set by Nintendo.

While there wasn't anything noteworthy about the ports, the original Satellaview games were remarkable because not only were they episodic (long before that became a thing), but their mechanics also changed at the whim of the in-game clock. This translated to changes in weather, gameplay tweaks (like infinite ammunition), or even special events involving in-game characters. Sound familiar? There are some other obvious connections between Animal Crossing and Nintendo's Satellite-powered hardware. The included software featured a town that represented various features of the service. Avatars were able to navigate that town as well as use an inventory system to access money and other items.

WiiConnect24 is a modern take on the Satellaview concept, and not surprisingly, Animal Crossing: City Folk (and Mario Kart Wii to a lesser extent with its tournaments) has made some of the most effective use of the service, offering special items to commemorate holidays and other celebrations. More importantly, these items are available even when the Wii is in standby mode, giving greater incentive to revisit the game long after the initial purchase. This is exactly the same reason the 3DS's SpotPass feature exists--to push content for specific games and notify users when new content is available, even when the 3DS is in sleep mode.

In fact, SpotPass is an important feature in relation to Nintendo's next system because it supports the idea of an online-focused, living console--always connected, always promoting changes. From a general standpoint, this plays into what the industry is already doing. The Halo series features playlists that change according to parameters set by Bungie. From Software's Demon's Souls executes something similar, changing the difficulty of creatures at specific intervals. But the difference between what's happening now and what Nintendo can do with its console is as simple as active versus passive promotion.

It's like the difference between receiving a new email notification on a phone (active) and the hassle of starting an email client over and over to check for new messages (passive). Xbox Live and PSN are passive. They both require users to either boot up the game in question (like Mass Effect 2's Cerberus Network, for example) to receive notification of changes, or browse around labyrinthine menu systems, the appearance of which is largely dictated by marketing strategies. At worst, these platforms assume their users are already up to speed on what events or changes are happening and when.

Nintendo's new console, like the 3DS, may be able to take the active approach by detecting what games you've already played and then allow developers of those games to send notifications of changes or upcoming events directly to the system. This potentially opens the floodgates for advertising spam about the next downloadable content available for purchase, but it also gives developers an opportunity--and more importantly, a reason--to actively support their games for longer periods of time. Additionally, it incentivizes the development of Satellaview-style games that aren't quite episodic, but they're not quite full games in the traditional sense, either. Instead, this gaming environment can theoretically produce new types of experiences that essentially reward users for playing a specific game every day. This can even take the form of a new achievement and trophy system (that Nintendo has been reluctant to embrace), in which players are rewarded for accomplishing certain goals on designated days--not unlike what Blizzard does with timed World of Warcraft achievements and rewards, or what Animal Crossing does with its traveling salesmen.

The visual representation of this ecosystem can take two forms. Nintendo can go with its preexisting WiiConnect24 system, which occasionally updates a section for messages on the system, but it's possible that Nintendo is aiming in a different direction. First, consider this: Miis aren't going anywhere. They're one of the most popular functions of the Wii and the 3DS. Second, and keeping with the Satellaview theme, it's entirely possible for Nintendo to layer an Animal Crossing-like experience on top of everything and populate it with Miis instead of the traditional Animal Crossing characters. Throw in the ability for users to visit each other's towns, collect items, display rewards, manage a house, and you have a great piece of software built into the system that doubles as an easily digestible user interface. For those familiar with PlayStation Home, this concept should sound immediately familiar, but the two would differ in focus.

A glimpse of the future?

Where does that leave the particulars of Nintendo's new system? One thing that stands out is the rumor of the screen on the new controller. While this poses some interesting questions about the size of the screen and the resulting bulk of the controller itself, it's something Nintendo has done before with connectivity between the GameCube and Game Boy Advance, so it's not all that far-fetched and carries some obvious applications. What will be interesting to see is if Nintendo takes this opportunity to re-create what it already did with Animal Crossing and let users download old or even new games to the controller--perhaps even a 3DS--to play independently of the console.

There are plenty of other features to speculate on, so we'll leave that to the comments. But it's important to remember that Nintendo isn't the company it once was. While it's logical to assume that it just wants to build a machine that's better than the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3, its recent history suggests otherwise. Nintendo doesn't want to compete with Sony and Microsoft--it's in a competition with itself to realize a vision of the video game industry that has been in the making for more than two decades.

Discussion

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Ovirew
Ovirew

The thing is though, Nintendo isn't really making the games we know and love, they are making something completely different. Reggie Fils-Aime started out his speech talking about how Nintendo heard their fans and they wanted to please them while being innovative. And, I guess they did that. But, the problem with this is that these still aren't the games we love with a normal controller.

icebros
icebros

thicknick that is right most people don't even realise companies like apple,microsoft,and nintendo are really connected because of a little thing called a SD card

thicknick
thicknick

@xavo_92 I suppose it'd be reasonable to assume you didn't read the above article, right? Everything you're talking about says ways that Nintendo could "compete" with Sony or Microsoft, when in fact that's not really what they're shooting for at all. That isn't to say they won't do any of those. I'm sure their newer third party titles will appeal to both hardcore and casual gamers. They learned a lesson in this gen regarding that. However, I won't expect a DVD or Blu-Ray player. We have no idea what kind of controller the new console will use so there's no sense in speculating there. And I think they've learned they need something beyond the outdated friend codes they've been using since the fat DS generation. Still, I won't expect it to be as advanced as XBL or PSN.

xavo_92
xavo_92

these are the things that Nintendo has to do (in my opinion) in order for their next console: 1.- being able to use either DVDs, Bluerays, or both. 2.- make it HD compatible, not only because the looks, but also because thats one reason why many multi-console games stayed away from the wii. 3.-Make the motion controls and new gimmick (if they decide to implement it) optional for every single game. 4.- make a well designed online system like XBL or PSN 5.- add a little more variety on the games. (bring more: M rated games, 3rd party games, lure several big developers to the console) 6.- Keep following the classic Nintendo franchises such as Mario or Zelda, but also take the risk on making new franchises such as Okami. 7.- and finally, appeal a little bit more to the "Hardcore gamer". Just ask your selves this... what you prefer have 10 casual customers who probably buy 2-4 games, or 5 loyal customers?

renegadetiger
renegadetiger

I honestly can't wait to see what Nintendo comes out with next. I have always been a fan of what they have done, having owned every system since NES (still have one, still love it). Forever will be a diehard fan of Zelda, SSB, and anything with "Mario" in the name. But to all of you out there who think that Nintendo can't come out with a good game outside of these (especially an online game) I simply point you to Monster Hunter Tri. And I hope that another Monster Hunter releases for the nextgen.

King_of_Kingz85
King_of_Kingz85

A person in love with Sony says look at how the PS2 sold when referring to last Gen but this Gen tries to say Units sold doesn't mean anything when the truth is it's everything for these companies why do you think Sony tried to justify a $600 price tag? so they wouldn't lose that much money if they lost anything. So put this in perspective Nintendo won this gen whether you like it or not. It's up to them to continue with their Ocean strategy or go back to the people who literally abandoned them. IMHO go the split route cater to the needs of both ends of the spectrum they can keep the people who love them and those who are just starting.

gam3r3OOO
gam3r3OOO

NiNtendo's secret weapon is hype.

sferris33
sferris33

I completely disagree with the last statement. Nintendo must compete with Sony and Microsoft otherwise It may find itself in the same shoes as Sega did with Dreamcast. Nintendo must sway gamers enough to make them buy the system. If one cannot see a difference between PS3 and Nintendos next console. Then noone will buy it.

Boochie
Boochie

"While it's logical to assume that it just wants to build a machine that's better than the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3, its recent history suggests otherwise. Nintendo doesn't want to compete with Sony and Microsoft--it's in a competition with itself to realize a vision of the video game industry that has been in the making for more than two decades. " ***This is what xbox and ps3 trolls don't realize.... this song isn't about them. This is what has always made Nintendo not just fun but amazing---it truly innovates and changes how we play games, not just which games we play.

mywii1999
mywii1999

Don't get my username wrong I hate nintendo, but this stuff is kinda cool, if it does surpass the PS3 than I might just have to get it but if not... i duno

Game-aholic-78
Game-aholic-78

I can see where a screen on the controller would work. Considering the Zelda 4 swords game. It would make games like that backwards compatable. I have always liked the Monopoly games on tv because there is not much of a mess to set up or pick up. However my favorite board game is Clue and they have not came kup with a good way of doing this yet and the screen on the controller is a good possibility. As far as anything else.... I just hope they stay away from 3D gaming... In my opinion the only way to truly obtain 3D gaming is with hologarms, and I just don't think we are there yet. Just stick with the 3D environment! Backwards Compatability is a MUST!

X-RS
X-RS

i really would like a disc encased in something a-la floppy. every game 'case' you buy know is horribly weak/hollow and cant protect your disc worth jack, and you only get coverage for 1 year at most stores (unless your fortunate enough to have play n trade lifetime).

doriot
doriot

ya I lov them 2! :D

dwd_27
dwd_27

I just love nintendo

Bowserpwns
Bowserpwns

Honestly as long as Nintendo doesnt give the new hardware a name that reminds me of male genetalia I will be happy.

colonelmusty
colonelmusty

isnt the nintendo ds one of the top selling gaming "devices"? or was i lied to?

blastoise466
blastoise466

okay troytrojan. lets finish this once in for all. what will i talk with you is : 1)(Technology)You say that nintendo's behind technology. what is technology? Why is it so goddamn important? Technology isnt everything. The only thing that matters is fun which i had in the wii games. I explained pretty much about this 2)(Uniqueness)You also say that it doesnt have the system so it cant play COD, Fallout etc. Uniqueness is the most important thing here. IF ALL OF THE CONSOLES HAD THE SAME GAMES, WOULD IT REALLY MATTER? Nintendo at least creates games everyone can enjoy. the hell it had nice games of zelda, It had ssbb which i think is the best of wii, but it also had a unique style which blowed out the sales of nintendo. Graphic does it really matter? If you cant see it very well leave it to your imgaination. And nintendo now is working a bit in the graphics as seen in the 3ds. the graphics are great for a portable console.

dawnofhero
dawnofhero

Make a 'Mii Brawl' game, Nintendo. That would be fun.

mossongreens
mossongreens

@Mtait01 your right his comparisons were weak...you can't compare games that collect dust ...ie golden eye and games that are for kids to adult games with depth ie oblivion vs paper mario...i enjoy them in their own right but come on man its my opinion but really?! Since golden eye there have been better shooters...i sense a theme in the games you like and that's simplicity...I'm not knocking you for it but if @TroyTrojanGamer likes games obviously made for adults vs games made E for everyone is no reason to knock his likes. And check your math I'm pretty sure nintendo's console hasn't been king for awhile...

mossongreens
mossongreens

@Emphaticleech I'm glad you said that the kinect is overly technological because for a little over a hundred dollars I can get kinect and that's it...no extra controllers (which means no extra expense). And unlike the wii it accurately follows your movement And without you thinking you have parkinsons disease. Don't get me wrong I love nintendo's products and I'm not a fanboy of any system. I own a 360 because it had the games I want to play and the online reliability I need (and that's not a comment on ps3's recent network disaster). I grew up and I want mature games and mature gameplay...and I don't mean blood guts and nudity...i want games like mass effect and dues ex3. Sure I play mindless games and shooters...but when twilight princess came out I was so disappointed...the puzzles were weak and the gameplay was par...sure I enjoyed it but I wanted it to be more difficult...i wanted a jump like snes zelda to ocarina of time...same way I want the next wii system to jump up to a higher level atleast on par with xbox and sony...with as much success as the wii had had I don't kknow if they can continue separating themselves from the main corner of the market with out it hurting them somewhere down the line. When it boils down to it its all opinion anyway...

mtait01
mtait01

Nintendo need to build a machine that can compete graphically and online (bad example atm with ps3) with the 360 and PS3. I know Nintendo have always aimed to change the scene a little, but over the last couple of years it can't be denied that Nintendo has fallen behind on the visual end of the spectrum. Having said that, they still destroy PS3 and 360 sales figures out of the water. I look forward to E3. @ TroyTrojanGamer Your comparasons are just pathetic... you think Killzone 2 is better than goldeneye? You think you can actually compare oblivion with paper Mario? You think Assassins creed is better than Twilight Princess? Honestly man you are confused. I never usually write back to peoples comments, but yours was so full of 'p\$3 fanboyism' is was just sad

doriot
doriot

yeah i'm a 11 year old girl and i enjoy the wii but I also enjoy alot of PS3 and 360 games like all the COD, AD (Assassins Creeds), raceing games, Halo, even if I'm not the best at gun ation games!

Flint247
Flint247

I hope they keep the Miis. I like them. They make the games more funny. Just my opinion.

colonelmusty
colonelmusty

nintendo should make an SNES 2. thats what they SHOULD do.goshdammit

chineolee
chineolee

I'm holding my breath that Wii 2 will be the Holodeck. Just have to be careful not to call up a villain who is capable of defeating Commander Data or we're all screwed.

emphaticleech
emphaticleech

@Vekit L.A. Noire will be on PS3 as well. It's not exclusive to 360. I'd suggest buying it for PS3 due to the HD capabilities of watching peoples' facial expressions while interrogating them.

Giratiny
Giratiny

Will someone please make a comment with their opinion about the article and not just the usual "nintendo is crap for kids" or "nintendo cares about the gameplay and not the graphics", the usual fanboy shi*.

xolivierx
xolivierx

Nintendo had great systems....NES, GB, Super Game boy, GBA, not the virtual boy, N64, Gamecube, and the wii...If they can create a new console with backward comptability and hd it's a win. they just need to bring more games for adults like ps and xbox. Mario games are cute, but I'm 27 and I need depth, story, thrill, challenge. Don't start about how hard it is to get all the stars in Mario Galaxy; I DON'T CARE. I don't care about trophies and collectables. I care about the actual story and the game. Cuteness is cute only for so long. I need Silent Hill, Ninja Gaiden, Resident Evil(yeah i know Wii has RE4 and it's GREAT), Socom,Metal Gear........I'm a PS fanboy, YES! But I was a Nintendo fanboy way before. But as you grow older, as do your interest toward kid's games. Nintendo could publish games for adutl. would it be hard to create a Zelda a little in the style of Legacy of Kain, with blood and monsters? It would be easy. But I guess Nintento wants to cater to their customers in Asia. And that is exactly the reason why I will not buy the next Nintendo console; it's not for adults!

Vekit
Vekit

i own all 3 console ,including pc gotta say that i love wii,second only to pc,while ps3 on third and 360 on bottom why? because i love varities style of games,wii gives me that PS3 or 360 ,you got a lot of FPS.but alot of that kind of game got ported to PC anyway you need to pay to go online with 360,but with wii totally free But I do occassionally like 360's exclusive,like forthcoming LA noire,or rpg genre like Lost odyssey

emphaticleech
emphaticleech

@ jdsk8r Yes. 360 copied and improved upon the designs of nintendo's power glove and the wii's technology. The kinect is cool, but it'll never get good games since most xbox fanboys always insult (nintendo's) motion gaming. And online play? Who cares? I still think the wii has some of the best games out there. I like having games that don't go online. I love all three systems, but the wii is definitely my favorite. The kinect was simply microsoft's overly technological copy of the wii's innovation.

cejay0813
cejay0813

@termadoyle Wii was no fail my friend... No matter how much YOU hate it... Wii was actually win for Nintendo. Winning

Bowserpwns
Bowserpwns

@TroyTrojanGamer I honestly think you have no right to accuse other people of being fanboys when its quite clear you are a PS3 fanboy based solely on the fact all your comparisons were on PS3 games. I mean i dont even think you know what most of the game genres are. Mario Galaxy for example, is a platformer, not an action game. Also, First Person Shooters are considered "Shooters" and you should not have put them in different catagorys. Also, Portal is not a FPS, it is a puzzle game; although it has FPS characteristics, it is officially a puzzle game. You need to branch out more, go to a friend who has an Xbox and play some exclusives for 360. Play something on PC if its possible. I mean have you ever even played an RTS game? They're primarily on PC and is terrific game genre. Stop being so biased about your one console you own (i assume) Personally my favorite RPG is Mass Effect, and my favorite shooter is Bioshock. I strongly believe in these opinions, but im not going to bash someone else because they feel differently about it.

termadoyle
termadoyle

As long as it's not loaded with gimmicks and just wants to bring good games to people the way they like it it'll be a huge step up from the fail that was the Wii.

Poidad
Poidad

@ TroyTrojanGamer Did he seriously say that there are no real platformers on Wii? Mario Galaxy!!!! I dont own or play Wii much but I have had every other console and Mario Galaxy is one of the greatest platformers ever.

u1tradt
u1tradt

@ TroyTrojanGamer I don't usually comment on these sort of debates and I'm not really bothered about much of what you said as we are all entitled to our own opinions; but your comparisons list is probably as superficial as it gets. It seems like you've gone and searched through Gamespot's highest rated list for each console and made your decisions solely based on Gamespot's scores. If you haven't noticed by now, Gamespot's reviews place a lot of emphasis on games' technical performances. A game is usually judged more here by its technical brilliance than overall gameplay, that's not to say they don't include gameplay in their decisions for their ratings but much of the overall emphasis is placed on the technical nuances. Anyway, I would just like to break down your little comparison list: "Role Playing. Oblivion vs Paper Mario (Highest rated role playing ) No camparison whatsoever unless your talking about five year old's. PS3 win" You're right, there is no comparison but not for the reasons you think. Oblivion is a different breed of role-playing games that sometimes borders on being action-adventure while Paper Mario is a more classic role-playing game that caters to more hardcore fans of this type of game. Both games are fun and enjoyable in their own ways but go in completely different directions to be directly comparable with one another; unless, of course, you are placing much of your overall judgement on the games' technical abilities. "Shooter. Killzone 2 vs Goldeneye. PS3 win" Silly comparison again here. Killzone 2 - a game released in 2009 that makes full use of the PS3's hardware capabilties to create a state of the art game of its time where technical ability is concerned. Goldeneye Wii - A rehash of a game released in 1997 (12 years before Killzone 2) that was probably the first truly great FPS - who Killzone 2 and nearly every other modern FPS owes a lot to and without Goldeneye probably wouldn't even exist - which is still fun to play to this day and has shown to truly pass the test of time as a FPS. Ask any real gamer over the age of 20 if they agree with you on these 2 games and I'm sure, more often than not, Goldeneye will come out on top. "Action. Uncharted 2 vs Mario Galaxy. Tie both of those games were rated 10." Which proves you're basing your argument on Gamespot's reviews rather than your own personal opinion. "Adventure. Assassins Creed vs Twilight Princess. PS3 win and if it has to be exclusive ill use God of war so it's still a win." For me this here is not a real comparison. My personal opinion of this is that TP is the better game by a considerable margin. Assassin's Creed was a great game in terms of its technical performances and had enjoyable gameplay, but it's not a game I've ever felt compelled to replay after finishing it at all (it even felt a chore to complete because it was so tedious) while I've completed TP 4 times now and still play it from time to time. The only AC game that comes close to TP in terms of overall originality, enjoyment and replay value is AC2 but even then TP comes out on top. "Platformer. Little Big Planet vs oh wait....is there even a real platformer on the Wii? Lets use Donkey Kong. PS3 Win." This I can't comment on as I haven't played any platformers on the Wii, although there are quite a few good ones out there I'm sure. "Fighter. Nintendo win. I'm biased and I love SSB." Fair enough. "First Person Shooter. Portal vs.....Yeah. PS3 win." Haven't played Portal to be able to comment. "Racing. Dirt vs Mario Cart. PS3 win." Silly comparison again - Mario Kart games are absolute classics. Even a die-hard motor enthusiast would admit to themselves after playing this game that it is an absolute blast. But again both games are aiming in completely different directions to be comparable. Dirt would be better compared against the Need For Speed games. "Sports. Lets go exclusive. Mario Sluggers vs MLB11 the show. PS3 win." The Wii is not exactly renowned for its sports games but it has some fantastic ones nonetheless: Mario Power Tennis and Mario Golf for example. I'd wager Mario Power Tennis in particular is as enjoyable a Tennis game as any out today or to have come out before. "Do I need to continue?" Please do but first grow up a little and play a wider variety of games outside of the PS3 and ones that you didn't find on Gamespot with high ratings. I've played plenty of games that I enjoyed that Gamespot gave relatively unfavourable ratings to; it's all about personal opinion. Gamespot's reviews are meant as a guide as to what to expect from games, not a Gospel of what you should and shouldn't play.

Scandals123
Scandals123

I think thats what has always made Nintendo more popular than its competitors is that it always tries to be different and work with new technologies to build more original hardware and software. Instead of concentrating on graphical power or things like that, it jumped forward with motion control and 3D. Surely we want this kind of innovation in the gaming industry, instead of this daft 'my graphics are more powerful than your graphics' posturing.

jdsk8r
jdsk8r

@emphaticleech You seem to think the xbox "copied" the wii. unless you've played kinect, then you probably don't know. Microsoft took the idea of motion sensing technology, and innovated it to work with no controller, and it works great. Now sony looks like they did the same as the wii, only with colorful balls.. But I wouldn't know, and I'm not about to get xbox fanboy about it. While the Wii has some great games, the online play is horrible, and one of the reasons I sold mine. I think when developers learn how to work with kinect, they could have some games that surpass anything the Wii is capable of. (this may not be the case with this Wii 2) As long as they let me keep my controller for CoD, i'm happy.. although I do admit pretending my hands are guns would make for a really fun single player game..

athenian29
athenian29

Well, I'm not going to hold my breath about this. Really, nothing about it is "known", so I'm keeping a reserved attitude until I see whatever Nintendo has for us in action. After the motion control debacle, which we're still feeling aftershocks of today in the form of Move and Kinect, and the utter-nonsense 3D fad, I consider myself quite jaded.

emphaticleech
emphaticleech

Oh, and what do you mean by "real innovation"? I say it again. The motion controls prompted its two rival companies... with whom Nintendo don't even really bat an eye at ... to do the same things with their systems.

emphaticleech
emphaticleech

lol@Blue_Chaos7 There are tons of people who still play the Wii. Myself included. Sorry, but your opinion that Wii was a mistake doesn't matter especially with all the great games it DOES have and the fact that it's fun as hell to play. I'm still trying to 200% DKCR. And Lost in Shadow? Awesome game. And if it were dated hardware, why did the 360 and PS3 copy it?

Blue_Chaos7
Blue_Chaos7

Hurrrrrrr "im a hardcore gamer and its about gameplay not graphics" like a broken hipster record, guys nintendo wanted a cheaper console which came at the expense of horsepower. Their assumption that motion gaming would be able to compensate was a risky move that had great short term returns but quickly became the outdated brick that no one touches now. The reason was developers always want to push the technological envelope and with the wii it was just a constant handicap trying to build a game using dated hardware...... so quit your defending of that mistake and hope to god nintendo puts some decent hardware in their next endeavor so devs won't wince at it and nintendo can finally have graphical fidelity with real innovation.

SemiMaster
SemiMaster

Gonna wait a while on this one before comitting...

lordsounder
lordsounder

I don't think that 3DS will be something special...

blueness
blueness

I didn't think I was a graphics whore, but then I played Disgaea 3 and it made me vomit cookie dough for a week.

JohnyMan100
JohnyMan100

What I want from Wii2: 1. I can tell you that I don't want a "touch screen-buttons hybrid controller". Just pick one or the other. 2. More JRPGs; Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts, the essentials from Square Enix. 3. Backwards compatibility with wii (maybe gc) 4. Better online social integration; ditch the codes, and let us make tags. 5. How can any Nintendo system be complete without Mario and Zelda?

psycho_3813
psycho_3813

@Alex_DJ30 The Wii was never advertised as having graphics as good or even close to those of the PS3 and 360. Additionally, it's not the hardware that makes a good game, it's the gameplay, story, and ability to evoke emotions in the player. You put too much stock in visual aesthetics (at least that's my interpretation of your post). I'm a hardcore gamer. I first played video games at the age of 2, and my first game happened to be the original Legend of Zelda. Have I been disappointed with the Wii's game line-up? Sure. That doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of games for the hardcore gamer available for the Wii. Personally I just think Nintendo needs to realize that gearing 85% of your game line-up towards niche audiences (most of which are in the age range of 7-12) is probably not a good strategy. Instead they should try to bring back the presence they had with the Super Nintendo. Some of the best games to date were created for the SNES (and PS1, but that's a different story). If they manage to bring back a similar level of commitment to excellency, then I would gladly try out the new system. I could care less what kind of hard drive, processor, graphics card, etc. the system has as long as the games have substance and great game-play. I guess that's where you and I differ.

emphaticleech
emphaticleech

Nobody ever claimed wii was going to have graphics on par with 360 or ps3. I still believe you cannot call yourself a hardcore gamer if you think wii has no great games.

Alex_DJ30
Alex_DJ30

Please Nintendo no hypes!!!! That's what hardcore gamers wants..facts!! no gimmicks, no speculation, just facts! My Wii have been collecting dust since 2 years now, i remember clearly when they announce the first Wii people and Nintendo hyped way to much! that's was going to have graphics like ps3 or Xbox and so on and when the launch date came, and see the real specs , hardcore gamers went, WTF! rip off! I am sorry Nintendo but this time motion sensors will not cut it out my precious money, you need to invest in real good hardware powerful enough for the hardcore gamers and good selection of games ! you already have in your pocket the casual gamers, now give the hardcore gamers the love they deserve! because we where the ones that make your company in the first place! I don't think that Nintendo will use blue-ray , i am thinking Nintendo will come like 3DS, in flash carts, yeah you hear me, flash carts have been decreasing the price a lot and i think Nintendo will try it now when that there are flash carts up to 32gb sufficient for games. If Nintendo wants movies they can stream it directly with Netflix or other service available, of course it needs a Hard drive, and if they use normal 3.5 inch 7200 rpm will bee nice! (but i expect they will use 2.5 inch 5400 for the size). About the graphics deparment i think they will be around the xbox mark with full 1080p support and maybe 3D ready now. Now that sounds good for me.