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Nintendo's Plan to Quietly Kill the Wii U

Editorial: Tom believes Nintendo's mysterious "quality of life" platform could be intended to quietly nudge the Wii U out of the spotlight.

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The Wii U is performing dismally at retail. It's the depressing reality in which we live, and one that has caused us to think up ways to improve the console's fate. What if Nintendo no longer bundled it with the expensive GamePad? Or partnered with outside studios willing to create exclusive games for the Wii U? Then maybe the system wouldn't lag so far behind its competitors. Though such moves might help Nintendo in the short term, they would be mere Band-Aids on an open wound. The Wii U is in a dire situation. I believe Nintendo has reconciled itself to that fact, and has already planned a way to bail from this sinking ship.

Enter the "quality of life" (QOL) platform. No one knows what to make of Nintendo's proposed QOL initiative, partly because we know almost nothing about it. Nintendo wants to improve people's lives in some indeterminate way--using non-wearable technology--and is going to introduce this nebulous product some time next year. According to CEO Satoru Iwata, whatever the QOL platform is, it will be entirely separate from their gaming ventures. Iwata said, “When we use ‘health’ as a keyword, some may inevitably think about ‘Wii Fit.’ However, we are considering themes that we have not incorporated to games for our existing platforms." But what if Nintendo has much grander plans for this mysterious device than they're letting on? This could be Nintendo's next big idea. An idea much more in-demand than their ill-advised tablet controller, and one that could propel the company to the same heights it enjoyed during the peak years of the Wii.

Could Nintendo build an entire platform around the likes of Wii Fit?

But I'm getting ahead of myself. First, let's take a look back at history. In 2004, Nintendo announced the DS, and positioned it as a complement to the Game Boy Advance and GameCube. It was going to be their "third pillar," another portable system that would coexist alongside their other hardware. Remember, this was a difficult time for Nintendo. The GameCube was lagging far behind the PlayStation 2 and Xbox, and though the Game Boy Advance was still in its prime, it wasn't successful enough to prop up an entire company. Nintendo was becoming less relevant. They needed to make a serious splash to turn the attention of the gaming audience back toward them.

What if Nintendo has much grander plans for this mysterious device than they're letting on?

As you may remember, the Nintendo DS was a phenomenon. Nintendo had a masterful software lineup that appealed to its core audience while bringing in newcomers as well. There was nothing else like Nintendogs or Brain Age, so Nintendo was able to expand to the casual market, though they never ignored those who kept them afloat during the lean years of the GameCube and Nintendo 64. It soon became clear that their planned "third pillar" was no more than a shield. If the DS were to fail, they could sweep it under the carpet and release a new Game Boy. But after the handheld took off, the Game Boy name was forgotten, and Nintendo has continued to have one dual-screen handheld and one console ever since.

Now we're seeing history repeat itself. The 3DS is selling well, though not nearly as well as its predecessor, and the Wii U is bottoming out. Nintendo is losing relevance. Its investors are demanding that they develop games for smartphones while its loyal fans are gobbling up the few games still trickling out for the Wii U. It's a sad situation. Excellent games such as The Wonderful 101 and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze are being ignored at retail simply because not many people own the system, and third-party studios are sprinting away from the console as if it has Ebola. Is it too late for a price cut? Is it too late to secure exclusive games? The Wii U's fate isn't sealed yet, but the chances of Nintendo turning its fortunes around are so slim that a plan B is needed.

Maybe the Vitality Sensor will make a triumphant return.

And that plan is the curious quality of life platform. When Nintendo first announced this device, I was puzzled. Nintendo has been around for more than 100 years, and in that time they may have transitioned from manufacturing playing cards to video games, but they have always focused on entertainment. Quality of life gives me visions of doing P90X workouts or downing a raw egg after jogging five miles. It makes me think about psychiatric evaluations and acupuncture appointments. People improve their lives in ways that are necessary, but not fun, so I couldn't imagine how a quality of life platform could possibly be appealing.

But then I remembered who we're talking about. There's no way that Nintendo is going to push our minds and bodies to their limits without a carrot dangling tantalizingly before our eyes. I may not have a clue what this QOL thing actually is, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be fun. More importantly, it's going to attract an audience that could not care less about the 3DS and Wii U. Part of the reason the DS and Wii were so popular is that Nintendo broke free of popular gaming conventions to appeal to people who don't want to spend their leisure time stomping goombas or doing barrel rolls. Wii Sports and Picross DS showed those who normally shun games why we spend so much time in front of a digital screen, and elevated Nintendo to the predominant technology company.

So right now, Nintendo is taking a cautious approach with their quality of life platform. They announced it at the same time they said Mario Kart 8 is coming out in May and Satoru Iwata is taking a paycut, news stories that would deflect attention away from this mystery. They're carefully saying that it's separate from their gaming division. Nintendo is trying to make the QOL as inoffensive as possible, something that gets mentioned during investment meetings instead of taking center stage during a Nintendo Direct. But they're only going to stay quiet for so long.

A model for our future wellness.

For the rest of 2014, Nintendo is going to continue with the plans we've already seen with the Wii U. Mario Kart 8, Yoshi's Epic Yarn, Super Smash Bros. and Bayonetta 2 are still going to come out this year. Maybe we'll even see X and Zelda come out next year. But after that? Don't expect much. Nintendo is treading water with the Wii U, but that's not a long-term strategy. Once the QOL platform comes out next year, you're going to see their focus shift. Advertising and store kiosks will force this device into people's consciousness, and Nintendo will distance itself from the failing Wii U. It's a smart strategy. Nintendo doesn't have the third-party support to prop up a console, and can't produce games quickly enough to keep good software flowing. They have to reinvent themselves.

This sounds like a scary situation for someone who was weaned on Nintendo games, but it doesn't have to be. Nintendo will never stop making the video games that we know and love. But it's no longer financially viable to have two separate platforms that cater to the same audience. By having the QOL alongside the 3DS, Nintendo will be able to appeal to the dyed-in-the-wool gamers and the casual populace at the same time. And we'll see traditional games such as Super Mario 3D World released only for dedicated gaming devices, while everything else comes out on the QOL platform. Everyone will win. It may be a rough transition, but I believe Nintendo's quality of life platform will greatly improve the fortunes of the Kyoto company and push the Wii U quietly into the sunset.

Discussion

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FrKnPuertoRican
FrKnPuertoRican

Is it fair to say that Nintendo kicked this theory's teeth in at E3?

amdreallyfast
amdreallyfast

Nintendo has a way of pushing into new markets and surviving where it's competitors don't have a strong presence.  It will be interesting to see what they plan to do in the long term.

AyatollaofRnR
AyatollaofRnR

I agree that its increasingly hard for them to take their place in the console market. The positive would be that they could double down on the handheld device and make it even stronger.



mike468
mike468

I think the Wii-U had potential. There was just so many missed opportunities with the system's overall design. Under powered hardware and the Wii-U gamepad should have been positioned as a replacement to the 3ds, instead of introducing the 2ds. If they sold the system with a normal controller and sold the gamepad separate, but still included and promoted the features together, i think it would have gone a long way towards helping the system. 


Plus their online network needs to be completely overhauled, but considering Nintendo is 8+ years behind MS and Sony it's not going to happen overnight.

OMGMrTea
OMGMrTea

I don't see why so many people have such a huge problem with Nintendo. If you're a Nintendo fan like me, you are in heaven. Tons of great titles available and more on the way. For all the things not Nintendo, i also have a PS3 and PS4. I'm set for all the goodies to come, so what more can you ask for?

daveg1
daveg1

yes nintendo give the people what they really want we could all use more pointless crap..

the wiiu should be banished and nintedo should just focus on games instead of all this life and casual rubbish no one wants.


they need to give the wiiu os a major overhaul its terribly slow and very poorly written.


strip it all right back and give the games and people will buy it..

blkgsr
blkgsr

All they need to do to start selling wiiu's is drop the controller for a normal one, and drop it to $199. Hell they would still make money off it and its low tech cheap parts. Its basically a beefed up gamecube cpu, the memory bandwidth speed is 12.8GB/s which is sad the 360's is 22.4 GB/s, and the ps3 main ram 25.6GB/s and vram 22.4GB/s. So the wiiu's memory bandwidth speed is about 43% slower than a console that's 8 years old. The gpu is marginally better than the others but damn it should have been even faster given the date it came out, but the ram and cpu really bottleneck the wiiu. They've already lost 3rd party support because companies would lose money making games for it with the limited numbers of consoles they've sold. But that's been the way for years no 3rd party support just relying on 1st party is what there good at. But wtf were they thinking not having many good 1st party games in the first year and a half. They had a year before the one and ps4 hit shelves and all they did waste the precious time they had to get a lead or just establish a solid foundation. Give me a zelda or metroid or maybe just maybe a new franchise no they like rehashing the same stuff over and over and over one more time. But at this point i'll take it but i do love some zelda.

Dav_id83
Dav_id83

So basically are they trying to cater to the fitness market with it's games that use the balance board etc

OllieBrown
OllieBrown

Maybe.  I would doubt that Nintnedo had planned all along to change their tone about the DS so drastically when it came out.  I believe they were keeping their options open, waiting to see who took the lead among their "3 pillars" before they decided which ones to back.

I would expect the same here.  They will not play it up as much as they did the Wii or the Wii U but offer us an equal choice as much as they can.  If the QOL system takes off, then (and only then) will they truly kill the Wii U.  We don't know enough about QOL to make any guesses yet.  We know even less about what the reaction from the public will be.  I remember the gaming community dismissing the Wii and the DS when they were brought out and they were wrong about both.  We have no idea what casual gamers will do especially when that market is being wooed by Apple and Google right now.

I like your vision here Tom and I hope you're right!  I don't think the Wii U is coming back from where it is.  But only time will tell if they can offer us a serious alternative!

turbojacket
turbojacket

Honestly, my theory has always been what doomed them was the dead end path they took with the Wii. Fun for a while, but not in the long run. Until then they had real controllers. Not the best (I still love the SNES, which has since become the gold standard for button layout for Microsoft and Sony. Four face buttons, some shoulder triggers. Done.), but at least they were real game pads. Nintendo has a good history of abandoning their good ideas and letting the competition run away with the prize. Sure, a lot of people purchased a Wii. And played it two weeks. Seriously I NEVER played mine, so when effectively the Wii U released with this crazy tablet controller I was totally disinterested. Coming home from a long day at work to grab a conventional game pad is great. With the Wii I was flailing around the living room. I'm 5'8" and 155 lbs. so no need to get getting my P90 on in the living room playing Skyward Sword. Although I did absolutely love that game.


Speaking of, I KNOW first party IP's are great coming from Nintendo. But the investment for a U to play Zelda WW Remake HD and Mario just wasn't worth it to me. Also, they need to use THIS gen's tech. They don't have to be as crazy as the PS4, but with the Wii we basically got a repackaged GameCube and a TV remote for a controller. The controller option just really sank them. When I first saw the Wii controller I was jaw dropped for a few hours. I though "Why would they make that?" If they wanted to roll with the WiiMote thing, they should have still boxed a real controller, as I think they are realizing. They effectively cut off 3rd party support largely due to the controller. It killed fighting games, first person shooters were good in theory but largely clunky to play. My point is, your money isn't going to be made off selling Wii Fit. It's going to be made with real hardcore AAA titles, both first party AND third.


What major company has made exclusives for Nintendo? None. Watch Dogs has even come out and said they will support the Wii U, but only after it's been released for EVVVVVERYTHING else first. Twist the knife. That's why they are sinking. I hate to say it. I'm 29. I owned every single Nintendo console since the NES, but I haven't bought the Wii U yet. I probably will, but I'm waiting for a price cut, a Smash Bros, a Kart, and maybe a Zelda before I jump in.


I just can't do it anymore. I can't stand these gimmicky controllers. And I don't even care about the graphics THAT much. We are at an age where anything looks good enough to play, but don't sell me Xbox 360 level graphics and call it a new thing. Nintendo isn't doomed, they are just learning a long, hard lesson. People will come beat you at your own game eventually.


Hopefully they won't give up on the gaming industry. I would be terribly sad if that happened. They love to play that nostalgia card, which is fine, but it's time Zelda has some blood. Much like Harry Potter, the books grew up as the kids did. I think that would help them a lot. How fun would it be to see a bad ass Link, yet still be able to relive your childhood with a classic Mario you can play with your kids (as we all have now) and share that bond? I'm not saying bring Mario out as a first person shooter, but they could push Link more, give us an F-Zero, launch a console with a solid Mario game as you always did back in your day. People WILL buy a console to play Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Brothers. They have games RIPE and very hungry gamers. It isn't the console, it's the unbelievably short supply of any decent games aside from 3D World and Tropical Freeze. But those didn't launch WITH the console. They took too long and people gave up. If I could have picked up a console on day one and either of those games, they would have sold me a console and millions of others.


I would love to see Nintendo fix their controller issues and put some good, standard, easy to develop for hardware and get back in the game with good 3rd party support and awesome first party IP's. I really hope this happens.


So. We'll see, but I hate to say it isn't looking good.

HarmonicWave
HarmonicWave

Here are a few possible reasons that the Wii-U is not doing so well, though I could be wrong:

1. Millions of non-gamers bought the Wii because it was so different and brought people together, and they're happy now... so why spend hundreds for what you already have, a fun gaming system with a lot of games available? Maybe only the big Nintendo fans are buying the Wii-U.
2. The launch price made it the most expensive Nintendo console ever (as far as I know), and it didn't improve on the Wii enough (more power, High-Def, screen on controller, etc.). The PS3 and Xbox360 were already High-Def and more powerful years before the Wii-U, are now cheaper and have a ton of games already (plus the PS3 plays Blu-ray movies).
3. I don't know of any specific games that are must-have, oh-my-gosh, go-out-and-buy-this-now kind of games that everyone is talking about. I hear people talking about PC games, or Xbox games or PS3 games, that's what people are playing and talking about. The Wii-U doesn't have a massive hit title that I'm aware of that would get the console noticed.

garfield111
garfield111

I have the Wii U. I think it's a awesome system. It just needs more games.

budd89
budd89

This actually doesn't bother me at all. I haven't purchased a Nintendo home console since the GameCube but almost exclusively play their Handheld offerings. The idea of Nintendo making Handhelds the focus of their gaming division while simultaneously having this "QOL" branch to bring in more revenue that in turn could be used to further support their Handhelds and vice versa sounds perfectly fine to me.


That's just me though.

bassplayer55
bassplayer55

Nice article. I could potentially get into something like this.. I always think about how my time playing games could be better spent improving my life elsewhere. That said, games are effing fun. Maybe some sort of platform that challenges my mind/body could be a happy medium.

Trickymaster
Trickymaster

Look at all the people living in denial. Well Wii U will slowly fade away as a party/family console. It's not gonna compete with PS4 and Xbox One. That's a given.

cheriban
cheriban

This new health thing isn't a game console, it's not gonna kill the Wii U.

NightScreamX
NightScreamX

Pretty amazed with the number of really good and analitical comments i´ve been reading today!!! It's nice to see something like this in a site that lately only talks about Titanfall...

PixelAddict
PixelAddict

I have no idea what this QOL platform/console/gimmick is going to be... I worry about Nintendo.  I worry that they are so unintentionally egotistical (introverted/introspective), that they have had success by accident. Because they only listen to their own intuition, and have no outside guidance/input whatsoever.

I worry they will be the Nokia of the gaming universe.

Keep in mind I have owned every Nintendo console dating back to the NES Super Mario/Duck Hunt bundle back in 1987.

hwrdstrnsbals
hwrdstrnsbals

Nintendo's problem, has, and always will be, their arrogance and egotism.


All they would have to do is make games for other peoples hardware and they would be the largest developer/publisher in the world times a hundred.


If you could get their IP's on any device known to man, they would rule the world- they would essentially have zero competition regarding their unique IP's and software development.  They could write their own checks, cash them at their own banks, and spend the money at their own stores.

lady_galaga
lady_galaga

So sick of all the apologism for lack of 3rd-party support. Nintendo's stodgy methods ruined the lead the Wii gave them, plain and simple.

They had a console that got non-gamers into video games and brought back the zeitgeist of video games as social fun for children AND young adults, which hadn't been seen since the Atari arcade days. Gaming online with a headset with never reproduce this feel. And then they let it slowly go to crap with an economic excuse for every pratfall like "We blocked release of this game in North America for blah blah blah," and "We know there's so much room for innovation with motion gaming, so instead let's tread water with another Zelda/Mario game..."

corrus
corrus

I don't feel sad for them they deserve this why cos they thinks only how to full their pockets they don't care for their fans they care only for themselves their games and consoles are overpriced garbage and BTW if someone say something against Sony or Microsoft Sony are much much better than this SB Nintendo cos they give free games in Plus every month

rheaburton
rheaburton

Its because the share price for Nintendo jumped on the basis of the wii, it was valued more than apple. Its shareholders are the ones putting pressure on Nintendo to dump it.

Seriously the company is in great financial shape but because the share price has dropped the CEO had to take a pay cut and apologise, you make the company profit but its not good enough in the shareholders eyes. Feel bad for Nintendo.

lostn
lostn

"Nintendo doesn't have the third-party support to prop up a console, and can't produce games quickly enough to keep good software flowing."

Nintendo has always been a first party company and never depended on third parties. They pride themselves on their uniqueness, and in delivering experiences you can't get on other consoles. They've disdained third parties that publish games on every platform. They only want exclusives.

Having said that, Mario Kart will make or break the Wii U. If even that still doesn't kickstart the Wii U's sales, they are done.

VegasAceVII
VegasAceVII

This is also my assumption when I heard of the QOL platform.

naomha1
naomha1

If Nintendo would just make amazing games for the Wii U, it would sell. First party support is all fine and dandy, but at the end of the day other consoles thrive on 3rd party support. Without it, they would die, just like Nintendo is doing. So sad, really. Nintendo used to be king, now it's the court jester. In all reality, how many Mario games or Zelda games can you make and tout and not bring anything else to the table? Nintendo is slowly going the way of Sega. Sooner or later, they'll announce they're going to stop console development, stick to handhelds and offer first party game support for the other systems available. I've really, really wanted Nintendo to succeed. I bought a Wii for my kids and I think I only bought 5 games for myself for the system. All of them literally on the tail end of the Wii's life too. I haven't bought a Wii U and doubt I ever will. While it certainly looks like it could be fun, the tablet for just one player, the lack of really good quality games and the facts that this article just brought up makes it an absolutely no buy now. If Nintendo would just throw some money at 3rd party devs to create maybe 20-30 games that excelled in their area, they would be a hit again. A few shooters, a handful of really great rpgs, a couple of strategy games and a mix of others would really bring it back into competing with the other systems. They would all have to be exclusives too. You don't want CoD or Dead Space on the Wii U when you can just buy it for the other systems at higher rez and more gameplay. I think games along the lines of what Watchdogs is doing would excel on the Wii U system. I just think Nintendo has lost their way, has gotten too big for their own good and too many middled ideas that seem great but just don't pan out the way they were hoping. I hope they make it. Not because of any idea other than nolstagia I guess. If they came back with a vengeance, I'd be the first person in line backing them up. 

bob15x
bob15x

Nintendo is going to partner with Microsoft and put their Quality of Life and games on the xbox one.....  My really far out 99.99% no chance of happening prediction.

DrKill09
DrKill09

@mike468  One of the main problems is they NEVER marketed it.  No tv ads or anything.

Setho10
Setho10

@OMGMrTea The problem is that the company is losing money. It can't continue to operate with these levels of sales and stay afloat for the rest of the generation. Luckily Nintendo has massive cash reserves that would in theory let them weather sales at these levels for several more years before having to introduce a new console, but investors wouldn't be pleased with that strategy. They want regular profits and hopefully regular growth. At the height of the Wii, Nintendo was one of the most valuable companies in the world with stock prices that rivaled the likes of Apple and Google in the tech categories. Now the company regularly loses money and the only reason they are able to keep operating is because they had so much cash on hand from those days. But if Wii U or 3DS sales were to drop much below their current levels then Nintendo would be all but forced to enact some major changes to survive.

lilflipp
lilflipp

@OMGMrTea Same here. I got my powerful PC, I got my 3DS, and my Wii U.

And I'm actually satisfied. Sure it could be more than what it is but. They are rocking it with the 3DS. Handheld is theirs.

Dav_id83
Dav_id83

@turbojacket my girlfriend bought a used Wii last year but the usage fazed out in a month or so games like Super Mario Brothers Wii and Zelda are still expensive even for used, the Wii U is a joke and has been since it's announcement. Last console I had from Ninty was the GameCube and that had so many good games for it the SNES was just plain awesome because the game were excellent there were so many genres to choose from plus the SEGA Vs Nintendo was a great era to be in for gaming.

Ninty just washed up all the 3rd party support and the genre list crumble to about 10 maybe more maybe less and its killing them now it was only a matter of time

Thesuperstar2k
Thesuperstar2k

@HarmonicWave  


4. The games that they are releasing doesn't interest lot's of people especially when Nintendo keep on rehashing the same stuff. Should've just keep on releasing some new games instead of doing the same thing

N64ever
N64ever

@Ph8lanx  It's just like the author said, history is repeating itself, and Nintendo is getting set for something big. I trust they'll be back stronger than ever once this new project is released.

cheriban
cheriban

@Trickymaster  We'll see. I think the sheer number of exclusives coupled with its low price and family friendly....ness will carry it through. People these days underestimate how much fun playing games with your family or friends there with you is. 

LE5LO
LE5LO

@hwrdstrnsbals  That would be an extremely foolish way to remove themselves from the console and portable market. Stating a company that has its own systems is better to make their most beloved games and franchises available on their competitors hardware for a quick buck would essentially be suicide for their systems. 

It would be like Gears of War / Halo / Forza / Fable (which are probably the highest regarded franchises for Microsoft, yet generic nowadays) moving to a Sony console, I'd probably never, ever take a look at a Microsoft console again! At least not until they create quality that will remain an exclusive to Microsoft.

bassplayer55
bassplayer55

@rheaburton I think the shareholders are probably approaching it with the perspective of, "Yeah, sure we're making a profit, but look how dismally our Wii U is selling in North America. Look how much Sony and Microsoft are kicking our asses. We have to nip this in the bud before it's too late."  

scy1skillz
scy1skillz

@lostn That is not true.  I remember playing many games from Acclaim, Capcom, Bandai, Konami and other 3rd party companies during the NES and SNES era. The 3rd party support kept those systems alive and gave us great classics like Megaman, Street Fighter, Castlevania and many others. Hell, even the original Metal Gear came out on the NES even though Nintendo didn't make it.

champybh
champybh

@naomha1 It sounds like you've bought into the negative press that the Wii U has been getting from sites like this one.  The games available right now on Wii U are of fantastic quality and you can not play them anywhere else.  This strategy of exclusivity has worked before and it will work again.  If you pick up a Wii U and pop in Nintendo Land/Super Mario 3D World with your kids it will be a guaranteed great time with the family.   


If you want some games for your own personal time that are a bit more challenging and solo experiences then you really can't go wrong with ZombiU, Wonderful 101, DKCTF, Pikmin 3 and much more.  More RPG's ( X for one) are coming, shooters already exist on the system and you even have your Batman's, Assassin's Creed's.  Combine this with a thriving indie community on the eshop and that paints a really compelling picture for owning the Wii U.  


There is so much negative talk about Nintendo and their financials...  it's really clouding what the system is actually doing really well.  And their performance may be more of a statement on how people feel about consoles in general then anything else.  For example, at it's current rate XBox 1 will take another year and half or more before it surpasses Wii U in sales - and that would be assuming that Kart, Smash and Zelda don't have a big effect on wii u sales.  just food for thought... 

AyatollaofRnR
AyatollaofRnR

@DrKill09 @mike468  and general market confusion. Consumers see it as an optional Wii upgrade with a few novelty games on the gamepad.

champybh
champybh

@Setho10 @OMGMrTea  A report came out recently stating that Nintendo has enough $$$ in the bank to operate at a loss for the next 38 years.  This is just a bump, They will be just fine

OMGMrTea
OMGMrTea

@Setho10 @OMGMrTea  

Yes, i agree, they are not doing too great right now. My point was more towards the gamers. For example, i always enjoyed nintendo games and consoles, but i really hated the (profitable) Wii. And now with the WiiU they have brought forth a console that has tons of great Nintendo franchises already out, and finally in HD. They have a gamepad which supports the classic button and stick layout, again, soo MUCH better than the horrible Wii controls. And, i didn't believe it myself before i had one in my hands, the gamepad and the built in screen is actually really great and has the promise to deliver more and even better gameplay mechanics, like in Rayman Legends.


So, it sounds like the perfect Nintendo console for a hardcore gamer, you get all the great Nintendo stuff finally in HD with great(normal) control input, and an innovative gamepad on top. Yet i see a lot of people complaining about them, they should do this and that, "nintendo is doomed" etc.  

I just don't really get why the WiiU doesn't resonate more with the hardcore, since all the "casual" complaints about the Wii have been corrected with the WiiU. I mean, what do people expect from a Nintendo console? Not-nintendo-like stuff??

lostn
lostn

@scy1skillz @lostnThey had 3rd party support in the NES and SNES days but didn't depend on them. Their strength was always 1st party and this is what Nintendo prided itself on. You can look up famous Nintendo exec quotes criticizing devs who make multiplat games.


Their competition was Sega. Believe you me, the NES would have beaten the SMS even without 3rd party support. The 3rd parties didn't keep them afloat, they just made their console even stronger. When real competition came in the form of Sony, 1st party was no longer enough, because the industry expanded and 3rd party was too big to ignore.

N64ever
N64ever

@cheriban @bassplayer55 @rheaburton  Oh man :) Virtual Boy was so bad. Lol! I remember trying it in the store for the first time and being totally confused by the all red wire frame visuals. Lol! Good times.