Next gen not needed until 2017, says Heavy Rain dev

Quantic Dream's David Cage says he has yet to face a PS3 hardware limitation, believes industry lacks creativity; games too focused on violence.

The next generation of consoles won't be needed until 2017, according to Heavy Rain studio Quantic Dream founder David Cage. Speaking to Develop recently, Cage said existing platforms, like the PlayStation 3 (for which Quantic Dream develops exclusively), are powerful enough to remain relevant and capable for another half-decade.

Cage isn't interested in next-generation technology just yet.

"I'm not that interested in technology or the next generation of consoles," he said. "If we could continue with PlayStation 3 for another five years it would be fine with me."

Cage went on to explain that the main limitation is not in hardware (he says he's not yet found something the PS3 can't power), but rather a lack of creativity on the part of developers.

"As an industry we have pretty much have been building the same games for 50 years, despite the platforms changing," he said.

When the next generation of consoles do arrive, Cage expects them to have typical trappings of updated technology.

"What do I expect from the next generation of hardware? You know, the usual," he said. "More polys, and higher resolution texture maps, and horsepower, and stuff. Wow. It's so cool and exciting."

Cage also sounded off on the present market. He said the industry is oversupplied with first-person shooters and role-playing games and is too tilted towards violence.

"The industry is too far balanced towards kids and teenagers. It's too focused on violence," he said. "There should be games for all ages, all tastes. Whatever is possible with interactive entertainment should be explored, and I don't think we're seeing that right now."

The most recent title Cage and Quantic Dream put out was 2010's well-received adventure game Heavy Rain. Cage showed a tech demo--titled Kara--during the 2012 Game Developers Conference in March, but the developer said this has nothing to do with the company's next project.

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Falzonn
Falzonn

*Sigh* There's more to a computer/console than just the graphical power.  Imagine how much more 'creative' devs could be with a more powerful processor & better ram.  It's all about price anyways.  If the next group of consoles are cheaper than the launch of our current ones, then many 'nay-sayers' will welcome the new consoles.

DoodaPooda
DoodaPooda

I don't care which system comes out next. I'm gonna milk this console and it's back log of games Iv'e never played for years to come.

bramterris
bramterris

I wouldn't mind waiting 5 years for a new xbox or playstation, because then I can save up my money for them when they come out. Anyways, my PC is good enough to handle most PC games on Ultra (only few exceptions such as Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3).

nintendoboy16
nintendoboy16

Ironic that David Cage would criticize the gaming industry for too much violence and yet he added to it with Farenheit/Indigo Prophecy and Heavy Rain.

jmc88888
jmc88888

Yep, there is no reason we NEED new consoles for the next five years. THEN hopefully after Glass-Steagall is past and a few years go by, the greatest depression we're still just entering will be over, allowing the masses to afford to buy products worthy of being called 'next generation'.  That is IF we're lucky, which when you look around you have to realize, we aren't. 

 

I have a 670 GTX, it's really cool.  But is it REALLY a generation past the 360/ps3? No. 

 

If people NEED to have something more, they already have many different versions to upgrade to.  PC video cards have put out what about 6 of 'its' generations which all amount to about '1/2' of a console generation.  If people want it, they can buy it, and enjoy it.  But new consoles are not needed.

 

Five years sounds about right.  If they really wanted to they could push it forward a year or so, and charge about 200 more for doing so.  But that really wouldn't be very smart, especially when you consider the economy and they could do the same thing two years later and have an even better product, or split the difference and release the console into an actually recovering economy, not the fake pseudo metric we create to tell us the economy is recovering instead of still collapsing like it actually is. 

 

It's absolutely asinine for them to be releasing a new console as the greatest depression is really only STARTING to kick into 2nd gear.  This is a fact.  If you don't know that, find new sources of news, or care to look in the first place.

 

No Glass-Steagall, NO CHANCE of a recovery.  Good thing neither false side in America wants Glass-Steagall, even though the people OF both sides and more are demanding it....the ones who aren't fools that is.

 

Change we never got and still won't get no matter which presidential candidate you'll vote for.  That is the only thing you can believe in.

 

Sounds like to me the guy from Heavy Rain actually has a head about him, funny that it comes from someone who actually pushed boundaries and creates a unique game.

 

He obviously doesn't need to rely on groupthink and looking for an inefficient and easy way to higher profits....new hardware.  When you don't want to rely on your brains to win the game, what is left? Change the game (not in a fair way, but in one the masks your shortcomings).

myrepose
myrepose

I will be visiting Cuba again next year, with friends.

myrepose
myrepose

I will not change my Icon picture. Tee Shirts were sold in Flea markets in Cuba with Che's  iconic image   on the front. , I got a thumbs up and positive reaction from Cubans wherever I wore that tee shirt in Cuba.

myrepose
myrepose

Heavy Rain arrived today! I will l play soon, and comment!

BigGerty
BigGerty

"The industry is too far balanced towards kids and teenagers. It's too focused on violence," he said

 

^^This...more developers need to realize that the gaming demographic changed years ago and if they want to make money they need to create interesting, creative, and thoughtful games that do not only rely on violence as the key theme.

 

Fix the current issues in the industry before concentrating on the next gen of consoles that developers won't be able to exploit for years...

UBER_FU96
UBER_FU96

we need upgrades to the current consoles for now, in my opinion. Since many people have little money, the new gen should be saved for a few years. If uncharted 3 can make a great leap in graphics, then why can't other games? we obviously have the technology. It's true that shooters dominate the market. I say bring back Crash Bandicoot, Full-scale war games, strategies, Platformers, Horror games... I could go on. I'd want a game that pulls me into a world, hands me some charismatic characters and sets me loose on something that pushes the boundries. Something fun and daring. Something that takes time and skill to beat.

nima_metal90
nima_metal90

great said, but nxt heavy rain needed till 2013!

PodXCOM
PodXCOM

(Not that there is many people reading this right now, So I'm going to have to post this video again, soon.)

Let me show you the tri-Ace Technical Demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cuXgRVMvZ0

 

This demo is running in the Xbox 360. Amazing, no? BUT the problem is that it uses ALL 512MB of RAM! There is no space for anything else what-so-ever.

 

The point I'm making is: if they can do all that with just 512MB of RAM on 7 year old hardware, just imagine what they can do with 10GB of RAM on the PS4!

 

 

PodXCOM
PodXCOM

I was going to make a big post about how good games will be, then show some more tech demos, and pre-rendered videos to give an idea of what we'll get.... but I don't have the time, and I'm too lazy.

 

So, instead, I'm going to show you a  gallery of zbrush's best, and I want you to know that games could look this good on the PS4:

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc-top-row-gallery.php?p=1

 

and here's some zbrush video, just to mak the point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgTBinucsfc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doJo-HCg3_A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNvIeZmAAY4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jCzfhKbhg

thereal-15-cent
thereal-15-cent

He's right about the lack of innovation and that we don't need new consoles yet. I don't think he should be blaming violence though considering that Heavy Rain is far more disturbing/realistic than Mortal Kombat.

goldmask
goldmask

Finally, a reasonable person began to speak

Predwarrior
Predwarrior

David Cage wants less immature violence and more "mature" nudity and exploitation of women like Heavy Rain. Yeah......Nice shower scene, David, very artistic.

SuperDutchy
SuperDutchy

Remember when everyone said the 16-bit era was "over" then games like Donkey Kong Country came out for the SNES and everyone was like "ZOMFG, THIZ R 16 BITZ?!" It's probably easier for developers to rely on raw system power than trying to be creative with programming to push a system.  The games coming out now are still looking better and better.  The last system that really milked it's graphical power was probably PS1, which still had games being released after PS2 and Xbox were released...it's just easier to move on to the next thing. Nothing is made to last anymore.

 

liquidknight123
liquidknight123

This has got to be a joke! Just get rid of consoles period! They are just ruining pc games by dumbing down the graphics and stuff just to be able to run on a slow console. Just terrible, what a joke.

SavoyPrime
SavoyPrime

I like David Cage and agree with him that the next-gen consoles aren't needed yet. I also agree with him on the oversupply of FPSs. But, the RPGs have been lacking this gen when it comes to consoles. Especially quality ones. So I'm not sure why he mentioned RPGs in that same sentence. RPGs are in no way oversupplied this gen.

trollkind
trollkind

Especially with all the bullcrap already about the enxt gen with always online, no physical media and what other marketing shams they'll think of to make it a worse consumer experience, I'll be happy to use the coming years to play the huge backlog of great PS3 and PC games I didn't have time for yet. Plus the rebirth of PC gaming with great, cheap or free and innovative titles that run on a small budget and therefore can allow themselves to be niche and take risks.

jenovaschilld
jenovaschilld

the need the for updated consoles is two years late already.  While there are alot of people in the world who can't afford the next gen consoles the delay will hurt the video game industry, it needs to grow. Already games like gears 3, skyrim, and many more would have benefited from a newer hardware platform. 

yes there is still plenty life left in the systems today, but it is not practical to wait until it has one foot in the grave before bringing out another system. 

scatterbrain007
scatterbrain007

I think what we have right now is fine for a couple of more years. 2017 seems a bit long though.

Shredwolf
Shredwolf

Game Industry who is in hurry getting to next generation console need to be slapped across the head with 2 by 4 plank. Making games cost a ton already and fools themselves whinging about used games and not getting enough revenue say the games need to have better graphics. Are they serious?

 

Not only that we are not quite out of recession, that we, consumers don't blindly buy any games and consoles. There are number of decent companies getting laid off because it's hard to get by. I must say the majority of game industry is just delusional. David Cage is one of a few developers who seems to know what's going on in the industry.

 

Say whatever the hell you like about his games, but I agree with the man, the games need some more variety, especially triple A titles. His games are very flawed but at least he tries to experiment. Every games he is involved in, it honestly catches the eyes. Nowadays, hardly anything interesting catch my eyes. All I see are the same old 3rd action adventure, 3rd person shooter or 3rd person RPGs that are all sequels and only ones that I see that are actually mature I can count on my fingers.

 

"Games are art" my ass. These sort of reactions I read only seems to support my argument.

CageFury
CageFury

I agree that there is too much of a focus violence. On the other hand, 2017? Screw that noise, I want the next generation, now. Of course no one wants to spend more money but 5-6 years is plenty of time to justify the purchase. Most people spend more money eating out every couple months. It's been way too long since I've been truly blown away, I'm ready.

jtthegame316
jtthegame316

i would agree that we don't need a new xbox or ps for another few years at least maybe as long as this guy says

sirius237
sirius237

if only the industry had more people like this guy... this would be the number 1 form of media in the world. Unfortunately, certain "interests" must be served by providing more violence to the masses.  

deadmonkey76
deadmonkey76

david stop drinking the playstation coolaid your game is not that great your also a hipocrit considering your game revolves around violence a fare better game than yours would be alan wake. dont get me wrong heavy rain was good but not great and does not appeal to the masses.

myrepose
myrepose

If I was designing a new console from scratch!!!!! I would learn from past mistakes!

Texasguy
Texasguy

I understand the perspective of those who want next gen systems but I'm kinda satisfied with what we have now. Recent games like Mass Effect 3, Batman: AC and Skyrim have looked great and I have a blast with PS2 games or Wii games like Xenoblade just as well. I'm just really not in the spirit to start over with investing in new hardware.

 

No having said that I'm thinking 2017 would be a whole different story. That's not extending this generation that is completely skipping one. I may not be ready now but I will be by then

myrepose
myrepose

I'll decide on "Heavy Rain" soon. I just ordered it. But violence is not the issue! Cage said that he had not maxed out the PS3 yet and that developers should learn more. The review here on Gamespot said that "Heavy Rain" had issues with tearing and pausing and other glitches!

StJimmy15
StJimmy15

Thanks for the input, developer with two semi-popular titles on the PS3. 

-The-G-Man-
-The-G-Man-

aren't both of his games about murderers?

Manji14
Manji14

I want a next gen, because even if you're mainly a pc gamer like me, consoles affect everybody in the gaming world, since some if not most games have to adapt to consoles.

With that said, it's true that creativity is better than graphics, but graphics is not the only thing technology produces. Computers from 10 years ago would explode trying to play minecraft, even thought it looks horrible.

GunEye
GunEye

I don't agree. We need newer, smaller more efficient and stronger hardware - capable of producing in steady 60 or 120 fps, with dynamic visuals and more open to new gameplay inovations.

We can't stay with the same hardware for any longer, games show framerate and/or graphical problems, and many heat the console pretty bad too.

 

Next gen hardware should be something that will fulfill every gamer wish, for state of the art - high end gaming system, without the need to pay so much for so many parts, and scrumble with the efforts of gaming PC assembly.

As system where someone can say: "hey how are the graphics and performance in this game?"

"oh that? Awesome, you know, the usual..."

Bad_Gamers83
Bad_Gamers83

I don't think he's approaching this from the businessman perspective.  I think if they waited that long, a lot of people would leave and move onto something else before they'd release it.  This is already the longest "generation" in gaming and certain people are antsy for the next big leap.

silentscorn
silentscorn

this coming from someone who takes forever to bring out just average games should be taken with a grain of salt. most fans are ready for next-gen and so am i. i don't want to be playing these old out of date systems for another 5 years.

cr8ive
cr8ive

With all due respect to Mr. Cage, I actually liked Heavy Rain (although the game has almost 0 replay value), an story-driven game such as Heavy Rain doesn't require all the juice a console can provide.

 

Most adventure games today, can still be played with a PC from 5 years ago, if the game industry is all filled with adventure/puzzle games, then yes, we don't need a new hardware.

 

Mr. Cage should try playing all the newer heavy graphic games, and THEN say that..

Frame rate drops, low-res texture mapping, filters, etc etc.

 

I played two worlds on my PC, my friend saw it, so he got a copy for the xbox... a week later he was telling me that the 360 version doesn't look as good as the one he saw I was playing.

 

Skyrim? Same case,especially w/ textures. Then there's the slowdown.

 

GTA, with the game playing catch up because we were driving so fast around the city, I arrived at my destination even before the road was finished being rendered.

 

No, I don't favour PC over console, some games are just better played on console, and vice versa, but the console power is getting left behind by today's gaming PC. If we are stuck with the current consoles for several more years, the gap between PC and console version might be too big.

 

Or worse, developers might have to underspec their game to make sure it would play "acceptably" on the current gen console.

dpadam450
dpadam450

We need more anisotropic filtering and tesellation. Games today look like shi*.

mike300zxt
mike300zxt

Ok, first, developer creativity or lack thereof has nothing to do with this gen or next gen.  Video games have been around for decades.  It's not like this is a new industry, and new game types are going to keep being invented.  Most ideas have been tried, and the market dictates what succeeds and what doesn't.  I'm all for creativity, but let's face it, the biggest improvements to be made are in processing power and visual quality to allow for more realistic experiences, better AI, better physics, better visuals, higher frame rates, more complex animations and interactions, etc.

 

If Cage hasn't found the hardware limitations of current gen, he's not very good at what he does.  As a consumer, I could see the limitations at launch 7 years ago!  And while game engines have become better, console hardware has not. 

 

The human eye can see at over 70fps, and at a resolution of 8000x4500 (for a TV 6ft away).  We've got a long way to go in hardware power before we get there, and many new gaming opportunities will open up as the power of the consoles grows.  It's not all about visuals, but better visuals and more processing power mean that devs can create more immersive and realistic experiences.

 

I'm with EPIC games, bring on a quantum leap in hardware power!

eva02langley
eva02langley

dalua360 I think what he meant is that you need to build a mountain of corpse for getting to the end of the game... He is not wrong at all...

leo89_b
leo89_b

Heavy Rain is fun as hell. F**** everyone who disagree. I wont buy next year another f*** next gen console with my money just to play 4 or 5 games (maybe fewer) that are worth playing. Thats for rich nerd people, im not rich or nerd. Just an average guy who wants to have fun with good games and fair prices. Not bul***t with astronomic prices.

lock445
lock445

1000th comment! Love next gen idea, though!

dalua360
dalua360

oh yeah Cage, there's no violence on Heavy Rain right? And the sex and nudity? You're a f***** hypocrite! For example: a woman squirming and screaming as she catches on fire; a man impaled in the chest with a power drill; a female attacked in her own home by masked male assailants (the scene is prolonged); and a man shot (shown in slow-motion) by police officers; Ethan, is forced to cut off a segment of his own finger with several instruments (saw, scissors, knife, etc.). The game contains sexual content and nudity. Shower cutscenes, if players control the female character, her breasts and buttocks are also briefly visible; the player-character is asked to strip; at gunpoint, she dances topless in front of the man. The game also contains a prompt-based love scene (kissing and rubbing) in which players match on-screen cues to angle characters’ mouths, remove shirts and blouses, unhook bras, and lower to the floor; a woman briefly appears topless amidst the dark shadows and heavy breathing. Very instructional Cage, very creative !!!

Furwings
Furwings

I somewhat agree with him on this. When I look at the graphics of The Last of Us compared to the recently unveiled Unreal Engine 4 demo reel, I wasn't blown away by the UE4 at all. In fact I think some of the stuff Naughty Dog has done with UC3 and TLoU look better than UE4.

 

And I agree, it's sad when you look at the top of the sales charts and nearly all of the top selling games are war games. Black Ops, MW3, BF3, Ghost Recon, MoH, etc, etc. A new CoD game comes out EVERY year. It's like Madden now. For me anyway, there are FAR too many military-based shooters and even 3rd person shooters for that matter. There truly aren't enough games like Heavy Rain out there because most developers simply don't want to risk creating something more obscure or unique in fear that their game will fail.

 

However, new hardware stimulates and refreshes the marketplace. It's inevitable. Really if you look at it, this generation has lasted the longest of any previous console hardware cycle. The Xbox 360 actually launched in the fall of 2005! Yes it was nearly 7 years ago! The PS3 & Wii launched nearly 6 years ago. In contrast, the Xbox and GameCube launched in 2001 and were succeeded in 2005 & 2006 respectively. That's only a 4 year cycle for the first Xbox and a 5 year cycle for the GameCube. The SNES launched in 1991, followed by the N64 in 1996 - again only a 5 year cycle.

 

It's more than time for the next generation people.

leimonides
leimonides

I don't know about the 2017 date, but I do agree that creativity is severely lacking. Who many games out here have really used the consoles to their true capacity? Something more than just awesome graphics? Something more than just what you find in some FPS? It's lazy to cry for more when the ultimate limits havnt even been attemped. I'm not hugely into games like Heavy Rain, however, diversity is important, so I can agree with that aspect as well (i happen to rather like my action and RPG'S).

V3rciS
V3rciS

ok whoever says we do not need progress in technology but only creativity... is simply a moron. Take your creativity then put it in PS2 or the old Xbox and be happy.

I do care about creativity but I DO CARE about advancment in Technology aswell. We as species evolve, we invest and produce year by year better cars, phones, computer hardware/software and many more stuff. I want leaps forward not backwards cause somebody is simply too lazy to learn how to program on new hardware.

demonic_85
demonic_85

So you want 11-12 year old hardware to play games on??? LOL yeah watch as smartphones pass consoles in terms of processing power then.

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

I don't know if anyone remembers that PS3 commercial (or was it PS2 commercial?) about the PS7 that have tiny flying spheres that go through your nose to interface directly with your brain. :) After PS4, only 3 more generations remain until that happens. :D Seriously though, perhaps Mr. Cage is simply calling on console makers to upgrade more than just the processing power and graphics of next-gen. A lot of gamers are calling for that too. Make the next iteration of Kinect or Move an integral part of the console. Let each generation revolutionize the way people game. I don't know if MS or Sony is up to the challenge, but they should do their best.

 

As for devs's being more creative and taking more advantage of PS3 and Xbox360... I don't think that's relevant to the consoles themselves. Perhaps these comments should be directed at the game software division at Sony and MS.