New Smash Bros. overhauls edge-grabbing--how will it affect gameplay?

Director Masahiro Sakurai confirms there are "many changes" being made to attack and defense options for edge-grabbing technique.

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The "edge-grabbing" or "edge-hogging" technique from past Super Smash Bros. titles has been overhauled for the upcoming Super Smash Bros. game for Wii U and 3DS, director Masahiro Sakurai announced today on Miiverse.

This more advanced technique, featured in games like Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl, allows players to hold onto a ledge in an effort to thwart the return move of another player. But this is changing for the upcoming game, Sakurai said.

"There are many changes being made to attack and defense options for grabbing edges. In this picture (at left), Link is actually trumping Mario's grab," he said.

Other changes include:

  • Air time and accumulated damage will determine your period of invincibility while hanging on an edge.
  • Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage.

It sounds like edge-grabbing, considered by some to be a cheap move, will be more difficult to pull off in the new Super Smash Bros. game for Wii U and 3DS. It remains to be seen how the changes might affect competitive play.

The new Super Smash Bros. game for Wii U and 3DS launches sometime in 2014. Cross-platform play between the two systems is not supported. For more, check out GameSpot's previous coverage of the fighting game.

Discussion

159 comments
Wogrim
Wogrim

So they're making characters automatically knock their opponent off the ledge (presumably if they have more damage than the opponent)?  How about having it take skill to get back onto the stage?


The edge hog "technique" is pretty silly, but I'd much rather see them remove ledge invincibility completely and allow all attacks to cancel (MANUALLY, aka with the grab button) into a ledge grab, so you can hit your opponent with a regular move and still grab the ledge if you're close enough.  Unfortunately they're trying to make the game more casual, so I don't see any chance of ledge invincibility going away, or having to manually grab the ledge.

Duckynevada
Duckynevada

Hold on a second this games being made by Namco Bandai? Oh god no!

Tyler Keeble Smith
Tyler Keeble Smith

It seemed to work pretty well last year lol. I think Nintendo should drop the Wii U and try again (kinda like the Virtual Boy). I'll always be a Nintendo fanboy no matter what they do lol. Tye Weber

Tye Weber
Tye Weber

Yeah the 3DS is a handheld not a home console, which did outsell everybody in 2013, which is why Nintendo is focusing on making games for the 3DS and not the Wii U, but Nintendo can't compete in 2014 with the next gen systems with a handheld.

Tyler Keeble Smith
Tyler Keeble Smith

Tye Weber umm? 3DS? Best selling console of 2013... out sold every other console...

franzito
franzito

Ironic how is Nintendo which's trying to "grab the egde" of things

endorbr
endorbr

Man this game is so overhyped.  Every new character that gets announced we have to hear about it and now we're getting articles about how edge grabbing is overhauled.  What's next?  You going to let me know what soundtracks the game will have?

Tigerbite2
Tigerbite2

Not sure who's worse.  Eddie trolling fanboys, or fanboys knowing that Eddie is trolling them and calls Eddie a troll in every post, thus being trolled.

Colin Frazier
Colin Frazier

Does that mean they're fixing the broken ledges that you couldn't grab onto? Because that would be great.

Cozm1kaos
Cozm1kaos

Of course everybody is focusing on the new consoles now. When the hype dies down and things return to normal, Nintendo console will start selling again. I for one have Xbone and still play my wii U wind waker and 3D world. It is just a good change in gaming.

PayneKiller
PayneKiller

cross platform play not supported? come on

Tye Weber
Tye Weber

Ernie, how is Nintendo going to turn it around? They released a console that had equal power to the PS3 and Xbox 360 a year before the next gen systems came out. Are they going to release a new system anytime soon? Probably not, just keep re-releasing old games like Wind Waker. To compete with the launch of PS4 and Xbox One did they reduce the price of the Wii U? If Nintendo made a good product I would most likely buy it, but the fact is they have failed to make anything worth buying in recent years.

Tye Weber
Tye Weber

Funny Justin, I grew up with Nintendo, but since N64 they have not been dominating. They all but abandoned the Wii U making games like Resident Evil Revelations, A Link Between Worlds, Castlevania, Luigi's Mansion for the 3DS and not the Wii U. How many titles do any of you care about on the Wii U that aren't Mario or Zelda based?

Justin Roane
Justin Roane

Do you not know how to reply to comments? I never saw this because you forgot to 'reply'

Justin Roane
Justin Roane

Nintendo is sitting on 60 billion in cash. They have been dominating since before you had hair on your nuts.

Ernie Ulloa
Ernie Ulloa

You said masturbate into sesame street socks and you are the only one here with some so I am using them. Should think before you speak noob.

Ernie Ulloa
Ernie Ulloa

lol ok but I will be using your socks.

Ernie Ulloa
Ernie Ulloa

They still have a moment to turn it around on the hardware end.

Ernie Ulloa
Ernie Ulloa

Ulloa is not tied to the muppet either.

Ernie Ulloa
Ernie Ulloa

Actually ernie is not my legal name so nice try.

Tye Weber
Tye Weber

If Nintendo dies, you can play Mario, Zelda, and all the exclusives on a more superior machine like PS4 and Xbox One, and no I am not a fanboy of either system, but Nintendo hasn't put out a good product in years.

Christian Daly
Christian Daly

Why would you "wait" for the end of one of the most influential companies in the gaming universe? The ones who practically saved it, no less?

Ernie Ulloa
Ernie Ulloa

Sorry, I role with sony brah, but you seem to know a lot about the wii rumble feature from experience. You got into a lot of detail there so you just keep doing that to yourself. Losing must feel good for you especially with that rumble feature.

Jose Daniel Escamilla
Jose Daniel Escamilla

Ernie Ulloa lol, there are ten year olds who make it to semifinals. Maybe, you're below par?

Tye Weber
Tye Weber

Lol, Nintendo is doomed, just waiting till the day it dies.

Ernie Ulloa
Ernie Ulloa

Looks like we got ourselves a badass here. ^

Jose Daniel Escamilla
Jose Daniel Escamilla

If you guys every played in a tournament, there are plenty of ways to get around edge hogging. Noobs...

Jose Daniel Escamilla
Jose Daniel Escamilla

Because it can be just as annoying. Some characters have a faster and longer roll dodge than others. Just like how some characters have ground and vertical recovery attacks for knocking people from ledge hogging. It's called strategy...

Chase Carney
Chase Carney

Stupid. Another way to dumb down a solid fighter. That's why I play my N64 still

Jose Daniel Escamilla
Jose Daniel Escamilla

If you time your moves and jumps right, it shouldn't be a problem. Only noobs who can't play cry. Why don't they take out roll dodge while they're at it.

Morits Lian
Morits Lian

Who said it wasn't? The ever so stupid doom and gloom guys?

hotdiddykong
hotdiddykong

Balancing a mechanic that was otherwise broken in Brawl to be utilized by skillful people is "ruining the fun"?

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@endorbr 

Because they totally didn't do the same with Smash Brawl. You should've been visiting IGN during the period of The Last of Us, even after the game was out, they'd do an article on practically everything in the game, it was kind of annoying. 

Mayleene
Mayleene

@endorbr Yeah, I guess you  never appreciated a "complete" game before did you?

endorbr
endorbr

@abHS4L88@endorbrSame thing.  Some games get TOO much attention.  Yes I realize this is one of the big ones for Nintendo fanboys but these constant articles about pretty much nothing or things that really just belong in a developer diary are getting old.

endorbr
endorbr

@Mayleene@endorbr Of course I want "complete" games.  What does that have to do with game journalism sites writing too many hype articles?

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@endorbr

This is not only a big one for "Nintendo fanboys" but a big one for gamers in general. If you don't care about it, ignore it. Not every day will have some major news story, plus this is a rather big change in the mechanics so I like that I'm being updated in things like this so I'm aware of it by the time the game comes out.