Harmonix fine-tuning music creator

Rock Band purveyor says details will emerge soon about "full-on project" that lets players build their own songs a la Guitar Hero World Tour.

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From an innovation standpoint, MTV Games' Rock Band leapfrogged Activision Blizzard's Guitar Hero franchise last year, thanks to the inclusion of a drum kit and a microphone for vocals. Activision Blizzard hopes to return the favor with Guitar Hero World Tour, which sees Rock Band's new peripherals and raises them a Studio mode, the song-creation suite of tools that lets players lay down their own instrumental tracks and share them online.

So how is Harmonix taking the prospect of being one-upped by World Tour's Studio mode? First, they're assuming an unimpressed posture. "We've talked about doing a music creator," mused Harmonix public relations' John Drake in an interview with MTV's Multiplayer gaming blog. "We've actually done them before in other games that we've done, like in Amplitude and Frequency... We've done the whole MIDI-creation thing."

However, that isn't to say Harmonix doesn't have plans for a music-creation feature--or a full-fledged game--in the future. "We think we can do something really ambitious and really great that's going to speak across all the users of the game, not just hardcore users," continued Drake. "So Harmonix is going to do something great with it [music creation] down the road, we didn't want to rush it out and do it half-a****. This is definitely a full-on project for us. You'll hear more about it soon."

The music-creator-less Rock Band 2 is expected to arrive for the Xbox 360 in mid-September, with the PlayStation 3, Wii, and PlayStation 2 editions arriving later in the year. Guitar Hero World Tour is expected to go on the road--song creator and all--this fall for the Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, Wii, and PC.

Discussion

134 comments
Dark_Peccatus
Dark_Peccatus

The music creator will be awesome, can't wait.

LikwidX3
LikwidX3

i cant wait to make some epic instrumentals on GHWT. i hope theyre as sick as the stuff i made on GP5(guitar pro)

itneverends00
itneverends00

I for one have no use for a music creator. This is the point when I start joining the ranks of "Go play a real guitar". I'm down for playing the songs you give me to play and the ones that I choose to download but if I'm creating my own tracks I'm picking one of my real guitars up and recording that. As for a comment about GH being more challenging...........what GH and RB have you been playing?

eheid
eheid

The music creator is one of the only reasons I'm waiting for World Tour to come out, that and it will have DLC for the Wii.

detroithardcore
detroithardcore

I loved Amplitude, and Frequency....very under the radar really till games like Guitar hero brought the genre into the light

Super_Amanda
Super_Amanda

People act like this is the first time games have copied one another. When two companys compete for YOURS and MY hard earned money, it only can benefit us. Be afraid if somehow RB and GH merged, because then there would be no one there to push the other. Without RB there would be no GH:WT, and without GH there would be no RB an so on, and so on. Do ya understand, children?

Amir29
Amir29

I have to be honest that although I liked the idea that Rock Band had a full band and Guitar Hero only had a guitar, I enjoyed Guitar Hero much more because it was much more challenging. When I started on Rock Band I had to start on expert to keep myself from being bored most of the time. Just for that experience, I'm leaning towards GH:WT in hopes they will keep it as challenging as before. The studio mode is also an interesting feature that I don't want to wait and have to pay more for later. Sorry Rock Band, I'm going on a World Tour this year.

Timstuff
Timstuff

Harmonix began life as a developer of music creation software, so it will be interesting to see how their experience reflects on the Rock Band music maker. This could potentially blow Guitar Hero World Tour's music maker out of the water, and I expect it shall. Did anyone honestly think that Harmonix was going to spend a round in this fight behind Activision? ;)

punch37
punch37

alright so there is nothing special about gt:wt or rock band 2 now they're just the same game now just different songs and a different name

dmadcat
dmadcat

WT is doing DLC, customization, and on-lineplay for the Wii. For us Wii owners that makes this choice an easy one hands down. RB had a chance but blew it with a stripped down piece of PS2 port shovelware and then "fixed" DLC by trying to sell me 2 songs for $30.

DeftonesRule
DeftonesRule

Ok all the instruments are BC so why not buy WT and save you the big bundle for RB2 and just buy the disc that way you have both versions for the price of one big box set and you also get the damn cymbals. Nuff Said!

Hvac0120
Hvac0120

MTV MUSIC GENERATOR FTW!!! Ignore the fact that a third game was ever put out and you will see that this is THE music creation game. On the PS1 and PS2, this series was amazing. Now that Harmonix is part of MTV Games, this would be a really great opportunity to bring the franchise back out with the inclusion of the ability to use Rock Band/Guitar Hero instruments as well as the normal editors. My favorite in the series was MTV:MG2. The setup was easy and intuitive. All that this needs is a little graphical overhall for the presentation, thousands of new sounds to play with, and maybe a few more instruments. With Blu-ray's storage capacity this game could be amazing. With Harmonix's past successes, this could be THE developer to bring in and make the best music creation game ever! I really hope there are other MTV:MG fans out there begging for the same thing.

theclint
theclint

hey i play both games alot(not too good at drums lol) but my prefrence is guitar hero because i like to play the guitar more, lol. but yeah transfering the songs. that is better then changing discs lol

MysticDynamite
MysticDynamite

@drangel_jam Actually, the vast majority of rhythm games are very coordinated with the rhythm, the notes, and the tempo. You must be playing a lot of very poorly made Frets on Fire and StepMania charts.

drangel_jam
drangel_jam

Mr. Me-too. There's one thing I hate about music games. The gameplay has no rythmic coordination, there's just a bunch of random colors that match each button, without reflecting a specific note/tempo.

IXIWhistIXI
IXIWhistIXI

"Too much copying of ideas going on here. Cant one music game have something exclusive, please?" No...no they can't. Just like no other types of games can have anything original. Once one company comes up with a good idea, the rest of the companies that make similar style games are going to see that and use it in their next game. Think about it, the music creation thing probably isn't anything special, and for guitar and bass it's probably a lot more work than it ever should be. But the fact that Guitar hero can say "hey we have music creation in OUR game...and a cooler drumset" is going to make more people choose GH4 over RB2. Once they both have music creation, it'll come down to who can make theirs the best in the next game. With the way the market works, it's ALWAYS cheaper (A LOT cheaper) to just copy what the hit game did last year or what your close competitors are doing currently in their game than to hire people to think up innovative new ideas, and then hire programmers to figure out how to make it work. You're never going to see a game with something exclusive for more than a year, because once it's announced, all the other companies are working on their version of it.

-Hector-
-Hector-

When are they going to stop!

shagrath1983
shagrath1983

just humor me when i say ok there are 80 some songs on both discs so we'll say 40 of those are worth playing the fact of the matter is is that those who get rb2 already have rb1 and there are about 40 some songs worth the rb1 disc and more than 40 worth picking up via dlc so when ur friends come over to play 120 vs 40 is a pretty big difference to me. People dont understand that either way both drum sets are gonna be about the same on reaction and durablility as i have heard but we havnt heard about the wt return policy or a genuine hands on with the drums so for him to say that just because the guitar on gh is good doesnt mean the drums are gonna be just as good just remember that GH is coming into RB territory here where people who play RB play for the full game expirience not just to see who can click the fastest frets head to head

theclint
theclint

the funny thing shagrath, is that WT will probably get a higher score on reviews but then again it is your own opinion, just dont act like a fanboy please.

shagrath1983
shagrath1983

ctg867 blow it out ur @%& im glad you have already played guitar hero wt and experienced the quality of thier insturments i like how you have never touched the music creator or messed around with the character creation let alone heard the official set list. there are add ons for little girls like you who cry because there is no cymbals on the rock band set i also believe there is velocity sensitive pads on the rb set and there is also deeper chctr creation on rb2 by the time you spend 3 months trying to make a good song by one of ur favorite bands rb will have already released it WITH LYRICS! in the end its all about music and from where im standing all my rb1 songs are going on to my rb2 disc so the numbers dont lie. so go ahead and well deservedly buy the guitar hero brand because your the kind of tools gh counts on buying thier crap product people like you dont deserve the right to free speech

playa42018
playa42018

Great, so maybe we'll get a music creator just in time for Rock Band 5 or 6.

goat_god_3
goat_god_3

okay, what if they did'nt retaliate and make similar (okay,the same) features and one franchise had the upper hand on the other.... would you pay £50 for the other? I mean... come on, both companies are producing the same game with different songs... if they dont try and one-up eachother how are they going to get market share over the rivaling franchise? hugs and kisses goat god

prioritymail
prioritymail

Too much copying of ideas going on here. Cant one music game have something exclusive, please?

tai_chi_rabbit
tai_chi_rabbit

Is this what games have come to? A back-and-forth feature-stealing competition? i'm so proud...

Unholy_Terror
Unholy_Terror

thomas10soa why did you copy and paste Tripwolf's comment?

Andy7546
Andy7546

I don't think this could be terribly complex with 5 notes.

Amm795
Amm795

oh come on. the creators of rock band are already to copy back now?? im guessing they are already out of their best ideas.

Rickhavoc2
Rickhavoc2

So they copy each other hmmmm intreging

thomas10soa
thomas10soa

This rivalry is VERY beneficial for gamers. If EA had to compete against another NFL game company - you'd see their Madden game actually be good.

Skreb-Masters
Skreb-Masters

It surely gives Harmonix some room for Rock Band 3, which will no doubt be announced soon enough. I still like the backwards-compatible DLC. Both games are great and I'm getting them both.

ExtremePhobia
ExtremePhobia

ok... but WHEN. The question is whether or not I get GH:WT because that is the strongest point of the game. Sure the drums are better and the guitar has the slap bar but I can settle with what I've got. The Studio is a completely different feature but if we're talking 3 to 6 months I may just wait and not get WT

shaun_mcwayne
shaun_mcwayne

could be good if they do it right just have to wait and see

razgriz_101
razgriz_101

if it were possible to do a system like how audiosurf does it would that not be the ultimate 1 up over GH:WT creator. Not bothered i intend getting both even though Rock band aint on SP3 in the UK till September 12th rofl.

Rubarack
Rubarack

I would rather see something like Audiosurf's "play all the music you own" integration than some lame music maker. Yes and I'd like to see the game distribute real money for getting 5* ratings. But as an actual feature not a ludicrous pipe dream a music maker will be at least fairly neat.

foxhound_fox
foxhound_fox

I really don't see the point in this. What is the most fun about music games in general is playing songs that already exist that have quality charts written for them. I would rather see something like Audiosurf's "play all the music you own" integration than some lame music maker. If I want to "make" music I will either get a program designed to do it or pick up a real musical instrument.

LqdSnk
LqdSnk

"Eh, I never was partial to playing other people's songs anyway." Do you know people in these bands because to me they're just "other people" too

randomrings
randomrings

right Np Pro (if not 1% too low), it's almost like it was made just to shut people up. I don't need the game to shut me up i need it to give me a fun time with good songs REALLY IN the game

StJimmy15
StJimmy15

@epb98 haha i know rite. "i almost didnt know what they were saying at first..." o_O (the word is ass by the way, GS. not one of the 7 dirty words)

ctg867
ctg867

@narutonut123 For the record, the disc that you buy at a store only comes with 84 songs, 9 of which are bonus songs by no name bands (so 75 by well known artists). Anybody who isn't on Live or PSN (or anybody who is buying the Wii or PS2 version), won't get those extra 20 songs. Secondly, we don't know what those 20 songs are, or how long we're gonna have to wait for those 20 songs. They could all just be no name band bonus songs just like those 9. So it's fanboyism for me to look at the value of two $190 packages and decide to pick the one that's evolving the genre? Yea, what a fanboy I am. Nearly the same thing? So the music creator, the far deeper customization in characters and instruments, the new elements in gameplay, and the new features on the instruments make GH:WT the same game as the RB2 which has NONE of that. No, you're the fanboy for blatantly making crap up to defend a series you like. If you like it, then that's fine, voice your opinion. Everybody is entitled to one. But don't make crap up and call me a fanboy because you can't defend something by just stating facts and your own person opinions. And it's not like I said I'll never purchase the disc for RB2, it's just far down on my list of priorities this holiday.

ctg867
ctg867

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like Harmonix is taking a shot at GH:WT. The comment "we didn't want to rush it out and do it half-assed", sounds to me like they're claiming that the song creation in GH:WT is half-assed. If so, that's a pretty pathetic way to straight up admit that you have the inferior game. Though if the meaning is elsewhere, then that's a whole different story. Anyway, Harmonix is simply making Rock Band 1.5, which is fixing all the problems that they had with the original (crappy instruments, issues with World Tour, character switching problems, etc), adding a couple of really minor things that GH:WT isn't doing, and adding in BC for the DLC and the RB1 songs. That's nice and all, but it doesn't justify a $60 or $190 purchase. GH:WT on the other hand is moving things forward. The instruments are evolving (touch sensitive guitar neck, easy to reach star power button, raised cymbals on the drums, drum machine compatibility, easy to store and transport instruments) and the game is evolving (song creation, character customization, instrument customization, heavy drum notes, neck slide notes, sixth bass note, pump up crowd for vocals). And at the end of the day, the Red Octane instrument quality is there, while the guitar and drum sets were complete garbage in RB1, and I have no faith in what ever is coming out for RB2. Not to mention that fact that their warranty service sucks. If your bass pedal snapped, they claimed it was from over use, even though they were poorly made. If you were outside of the insanely short 60 day warranty after the first few months, they wouldn't replace anything. Since the songs are good, I might pick up the RB2 disc if I have the money, but no matter what, I'm buying the GH:WT bundle because they absolutely deserve my purchase.

Np_Pro
Np_Pro

99% of the songs made with GHs music creator will suck, so it really doesn't matter

squirlnuts2005
squirlnuts2005

who cares...u dont have to play the songs that ppl made duh...make music u will play...and if rock band does this who cares is it needed??...maybe maybe not...all i want is RB2...dont care i want it

epb98
epb98

Thank god they asterisked out ass for us.

SASQUATCHfrenzy
SASQUATCHfrenzy

I think the music creator is a good idea for losers who have no ambition to play a real instrument. Other then that its completely pointless.

leafdj
leafdj

Eh, I never was partial to playing other people's songs anyway.

MarioBros12321
MarioBros12321

"I guess everyone forgot that the creator of Guitar Hero is Harmonix (until they sold the rights) and then guess what they made... Rock Band. wow. Of course theyre gonna be the same. Activision is trying to suck as much cash out of the guitar hero franchise as possible. Harmonix moved on to better things" Agreed

StegrShmil
StegrShmil

ok im waiting for Rock Bands keyboard to come out now. Come on this is stupid,there is no way rock band was planning on making a music creator from the start. And it has to be half-A**, because they are forced to make it so quick. Why don't they just realize that Guitar Hero is better because of the instruments and studio, and Rock Band is better because it has more tracks.