Gearbox President "Scared" By the Idea of Borderlands 3 [UPDATE]

[UPDATE] Randy Pitchford now says, "Easy to be excited with the ~idea~ of BL3. But creative priorities vs expectations needs respect."

[UPDATE] Gearbox Software president Randy Pitchford has offered his take on the story via Twitter.

The original story is below.

Gearbox Software president Randy Pitchford is uneasy about the very idea of Borderlands 3, he told Game Informer in a new interview. That's because a third entry in the numbered series--which is absolutely not announced or even in development--would need to be "so crazy and so big" that the developer might not be able to launch a game worthy of its ambition.

"There's a point where it's like, 'What should the next Borderlands be? Should there be another Borderlands, and what should it be?'," Pitchford said in August's issue of Game Informer (via Videogamer). "We had that discussion and there was this weird mixed bag. On one level it's like, 'Woah'. If you're going to do something that's called Borderlands 3 and it's going to be done in this next-generation environment, there's a whole bunch of ideas that come around of what has to happen in order for that to live up to what that needs to be."

This fall's Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel--developed principally by 2K Australia--really upped the ante for what a potential third Borderlands game from Gearbox needs to be, he said. Pitchford explained that 2K Australia's involvement with the game, "changed the nature of the pressure of what Borderlands 3 had to be for us."

"If there's going to be a Borderlands 3 and what that would be. We imagine what that might be, and frankly it scared us," he added. "It's like, 'That's so crazy and so big that I'm not sure we can succeed'."

Despite Pitchford's Hideo Kojima-like pessimism, it's still possible that a new Borderlands game from Gearbox could be released for the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 generation of consoles. Game Informer writes that while Gearbox has not ruled out such a game, the studio's current main focus is on multiplayer arena shooter Battleborn for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and PC.

Also in this month's issue of Game Informer, it was revealed that characters from the Borderlands series might end up appearing in Battleborn.

"I won't say that we haven't talked about [including vault hunters]," creative director Randy Varnell said. "But it's really important that Battleborn is its own universe first and that it has its own tone and its own style and that it can grow its legs. But it is a universe. It's a vast universe with who knows what. It's set way, way in the future and so I can't say that [vault hunter characters] would never happen..."

Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and you can follow him on Twitter @EddieMakuch
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226 comments
playniko69
playniko69

Yea well Borderlands is the only game you people know how to make without screwing up miserably. Bring BL3, it's the only way you pricks could feed yourself. 

Loki-1976
Loki-1976

I only care about a BL 3 from Gearbox, this MOBA crap "Battleborn" is a simple cash-cow that OBVIOUSLY was an easy game to make. You can see that in the words of Randy himself saying BL3 scares him, but they made this Battleborn.

Obviously not a challenge.


They could just make BL3 about a new discovered planet in another solar system that has some element that is valuable like Eridium and it also has alien artifacts. Seeded by the original alien race (whatever) that did crap with the Warrior on Pandora etc etc. Just build a mythos.

Then have it set a few years into the future as an explanation for why this new planet is populated by Scavs, bandits and hunters etc.

Have the new "vault" hunters have 2 actions skills each, with more choices that way. Keep the bazillion guns and skill trees and comedy.


Most of us just love the game play and the humor of the enemies. I love the Goliaths and their stupid sayings and so on.

lewishim666
lewishim666

I'm really disappointed that they are going to follow up something as awesome as Borderlands with something as weak as Battleborn. Really? An arena shooter. I'm not going to buy it just because they wasted time on it instead of Borderlands 3. I mean come on. They could have surely figured it out if they tried. The fact that he is "scared" is just BS.

ryan3250
ryan3250

Scared...?? First they need to remove all the modded weapons and people that create modded weapons. Example: I found this Awesome rare sniper the other day and thought I wonder if anyone else has found a sniper like this. And then I play online to show it off only to see a guy standing in a pile of ALL modded weapons, shields, grenades, skill points, everything. Then I asked if he even knew the story line. Answer: No. Sooo why am I playing, looting, learning different ways to take down bosses, doing all the side missions for a chance at rare items when I can just type in some numbers and have a sniper that does 8748239792378598235 damage. I have not played borderlands 1 or 2 in years because of that reason right there.

Sadek
Sadek

I havent even finished BL2 yet.. there's so much to shoot in this game!!! 

delinx32
delinx32

You could put a turd in a box and slap a borderlands sticker on it and I'd throw 60 bucks at it.

aliafterhour
aliafterhour

please stop, don´t need another ass creedesque hype train to infinity...

Barighm
Barighm

Sounds like they're planning an MMO and they're just saying they want some extra funding to finish it, but really, add some extra gear slots and refine the badass ranking system, dedicate the weapon switch button to switching powers and not guns (D-pad handles that just fine), and you've got a third game easy.

wtsmitty
wtsmitty

Borderlands is no doubt fun, but nothing mind blowing to me, just a unique shooter with cel shaded graphics, that definitely knows how to stand out. Borderlands 3 probably would need to shake the foundation, not necessarily being the biggest and craziest Borderlands, but approaching something new with the Borderlands vibe, but I guess that's what Telltale's Borderlands game is for. I'd be scared if I was them to, they're at the point where what they've previously released almost everyone has gone nutty for and it's hard to keep that going, the future of Borderlands is an interesting and uncertain one, no telling what's coming next after Pre-Sequel and Tales of.

ThAdEa82
ThAdEa82

One of the better games out. Take your time. Borderlands 2 has so much to do.

Realmjumper
Realmjumper

I posted earlier but I would try changing the genre. Hire some people that know about RTS or turn based games like Relic Entertainment. try something that is not an FPS.

coldreboot
coldreboot

So since it's developed by 2k Australia does the Government show up at the beginning and take all the guns away?

themc_7
themc_7

understandable. BL1 & 2 are fairly massive, not just in size but shear content (on top of the main game, then there's tons and tons of DLC). I can see why BL3 seems daunting. People expect a step up, from the last game. BL3 being on next gen should give them the power to expand and push the limits.  

tinmann840
tinmann840

Outlands ? Where you explore new vaults on different planets but you have to fight your way to these planets via space combat. Since there is vehicular combat already it seems aerial and space combat would be a nice addition. Plus a larger variety of vehicles would be welcome.  

miller633
miller633

Everyone claims they set up Borderlands 2 for another game. Did they though? ----SPOILER ALERT--- They showed all those additional vaults at the end of the game, I know, the idea of all these vaults and different planets to explore would be AMAZING! I would love a third borderlands. But think about it, they would have to start the game all over again. New planet... new villain... new characters. It's not like they kept the story line to continue. No, just the IDEA of the game to continue. So I would understand being afraid to make another one. One bad game can destroy a rep.

okashiiamerican
okashiiamerican

omg, I am seriously going to boycott everything gearbox if they choose to do something as stupid as not make a Borderlands 3 "because they're scared".  Don't make the gamers suffer because of your stupid anxiety attacks.  It's not the game itself that was great;  IT WAS THE STORY!  Borderlands has a great story and great characters!  Just continue with the fricken story and tell more about the back stories of the characters.  * SPOILER* Or at least the characters you actually let live until the end of the game.

ssjspider-man
ssjspider-man

He's made nothing but good decisions so far so whatever he decides, it'll be fine. commercials, merchandising, DLCs, characters have all been pretty much spot on. And he has the support of Border patrol and other co-op clans so sales will always be good.

ssjspider-man
ssjspider-man

He's made nothing but good decisions so far so whatever he decides, it'll be fine. commercials, merchandising, DLCs, characters have all been pretty much spot on. And he has the support of Border patrol and other co-op clans so sales will always be good.

deathwish026
deathwish026

there better had be a borderlands 3 in the future!... SPOILER ALERT.......... if we dont get to see why all those vaults were made in the first place and a deeper story behing the civ that created them i will be very disapointed.

Realmjumper
Realmjumper

Here's what I would do.

1. Decide what type of game it's going to be. If not fps you can try rts or turn based or many other type of games. (Browser, but do not do MMO that is too risky and not worth it)

2. Divide the game into parts so as not to overwhelm yourself, complete the parts one at at time.

3. Decide the game length and try doing a shorter but beefier game. Say 14-20 hours max but plenty of new game + areas open up once you complete it.

4. Win.


Hillsy_
Hillsy_

Here is a better idea, fix Borderlands 2 graphical glitches on Big Game Hunt & Tiny Tina's Dragon Keep.  Treasure chests locking and not allowing you to open them unless you reload.  Fix also the Fire Dragon boss fight and the Badassasaurus final boss fight, they aren't even challenging.  Stand at the gate of the arena and shoot, or stand near the gate to Dragon Keep and shoot the Fire Dragon, dreadful gameplay - where is the intensity, the excitement?  Some of what you did with Borderlands 2 was excellent, others parts fell short.  Credit to the music, which I thought was good throughout the game and the DLCs.

Aspire85
Aspire85

Sick to death of BL now. Would need significant changes to the fetch quest style if a third one was to peak my interest.

Given that the most original and (arguably) best parts of the BL series conveniently come in the form of DLC, I won't hold my breath..

g1rldraco7
g1rldraco7

I wonder what spooked him so badly?

Warlord_Irochi
Warlord_Irochi

Why scared? Is the only game Gearbox is doing properly as of late.

Assimilat0r
Assimilat0r

Хахаха holy cow, this mean  9999 more DLCs for Borderlands serial.

lewishim666
lewishim666

@ryan3250 Yeah I'm self conscious to the point that I won't play a game if I can't show off all the epeen jelging I've been doing. People modding weapons affects me to the point where I feel worse about myself because if I can't show off all my weapons I start to realize that the hours that I've been playing are wasted. So I can't play Borderlands because it is worthless to play it if I can't boost my self esteem by showing off digital items to other people to show how much time I've spent playing Borderlands. If I could show them the weapons then it wouldn't be a  waste of time. Gearbox really needs to stop the modders because the way they choose to play the game affects me to the pint that I feel worse about myself because they got their modded weapons easily by modding them and I got my weapons by actually playing the game and in no way do they matter because they aren't as powerful as the modded weapons.


Oh wait. The weapon modders don't affect me or anyone else in anyway because you can just not play with those people. Why should Gearbox take modded weapons out of the game to please you? If the modders want to play that way then let them. They aren't hurting you. Your own self esteem is hurting you. I play with friends and we like to compare some of the weapons we came across while we weren't able to play together. The fact is that random people don't care about your weapons anyway. If you do have some awesome weapon it's not like they are suddenly going to think you are awesome. What matters to people is being able to play the game. If you are constantly getting downed and dying or you can't beat a boss then it doesn't matter what weapons you have. People only care about you being able to be competent at the game.

delinx32
delinx32

@ryan3250 So, you don't play borderlands because someone else cheats and you can't "show off"?  If you don't want to cheat, don't.  You can play offline and never ever see a modded item.  The way other people play doesn't have to affect the way that you play.


You are trying to control other people's way of playing.  Did you ever think that that person gets enjoyment out of hacking weapons the same way you get enjoyment out of finding them?  Just because they don't enjoy the same things that you enjoy doesn't make you more "right" than them.


If you see modded weapons, just leave the game if you don' like it.  Don't try to get gearbox to change the game so those other people can't play the way they want.


Yes, I use modded weapons because on UVHM solo is nearly impossible with the average gear that usually drops.  I needed to mod my weapons to get a bare minimum that would keep me from dying a gazillion times.  Now, I probably won't mod again because I've finally broken through the 61 barrier and things are getting a bit easier now, but the game was unplayable on UVHM at level 57 solo.

grngo92
grngo92

@delinx32 You forgot the awesome DLC for the Borderlands branded turd.

FretsOfDeath
FretsOfDeath

@okashiiamerican at the same time, if they feel they can't accomplish it, then I respect that. I would hate for a new game to suck, just because they pushed it out the door for no other reason than to make money. Their biggest priority for right now IMO should be making The Pre-Sequel next gen. It annoys me that a year after the release of PS4 and Xbox One that a game developer would make a game exclusive to last gen consoles. It's not like 2K Games doesn't have the money bring the game to next gen quality like many other devs have done this year, i.e. The last of Us, Tomb Raider, and Metro: Redux.

okashiiamerican
okashiiamerican

@deathwish026 yeah, like what the frick?!  They set it up to allow for another game.  How the frick are they questioning whether or not to have one?  They're leaving us hanging in the middle of a great story!  What the heck?

Too-DementeD
Too-DementeD

@Realmjumper Okay, now for the reality of what to do;

1. Decide to do away with your current genre and turn into a free-to-play MOBA filled with microtransactions.

2. Divide the game into parts and sell them individually for an ambitious price.

3. Make the game endless so that the s̶u̶c̶k̶e̶r̶s̶  players will endlessly play the game and keep spending money.

4. Win.

okashiiamerican
okashiiamerican

@Hillsy_ That's funny cause both Borderlands 1 + 2 I turned the music off.  XD  Don't even remember that there's in game music.

Warlord_Irochi
Warlord_Irochi

@Assimilat0r Considering they are long, varied and give a ton of extra hours, nothing wrong with them... quite the opposite in fact! wish every DLC were that way.

TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

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spyzdemon3
spyzdemon3

@lewishim666 problem gear box has no control over the mods! people make the hacks to mod them! secondly why should i have to waste my time filtering through people to not play with, because you dont know how to play the game, because moding an item is not playing it is creating an/a code so you can cheat in the game that you play, i have no problem with guffy mods like in skyrim! cause it is creating software in a single player game!

ryan3250
ryan3250

Lol the modders come raging in. This is a LOOT and SHOOT game. Keyword "LOOT". Not mod. Not cheat. Modding so you have items that are so overpowered that you can kill a boss in one shot is not playing the game. And is not a definition of loot. Sucking at the game is not an excuse. So keep the rants coming your just showing that you can't beat a game without cheating :)

lewishim666
lewishim666

@delinx32 @ryan3250 It'd called farming until you level up and get decent loot and then go for whatever guests was "nearly impossible" at level 57. Nothing in Borderlands is impossible. You didn't need to mod. You don't have to make excuses either. Just say you like cheating and get it over with. You were just impatient so you decided to cheat to save time. Of course you can play how ever you want but don't try to act like there is some kind of justification for it. That's the only thing I have a problem with you're like "I modded but I usually don't do it. I have a good excuse why I did it just THIS ONE TIME. Honestly. I'll never do it again and it was only because of a,b, and, c excuses."

ryan3250
ryan3250

Woah... sorry modder don't get your panties in a bunch. I like to play online. Not by myself like some loner. I'm just saying there's no point to play when all I have to do is load the first level skip all the cut scenes use my mods and I have max everything. Yay... so much skill. You should wear a dunce hat like in gta 5.

spyzdemon3
spyzdemon3

@delinx32 @ryan3250 problem with that though is if you dont know they are modded they, join your game kill the boss in one hit, i have to live with that!

aliafterhour
aliafterhour

@OneStrong2 @aliafterhour Yeah its fun at first played through the first one with my sister, but they always felt kinda empty/soulless if you´re not deceived by the humor, wich I think isn´t to funny, so if they can do a living breathing world, I´m in but with the path they´re on now they´ll never reach the atmosphere of lets say an elder scrolls game

miller633
miller633

@Too-DementeD @Realmjumper I don't think you know gearbox that well... they don't seem like a money hungry corporation... yes, money keeps them going. But if you didn't notice in borderlands 1 and 2, they make a game for the gamers. Something for people to enjoy. 

coinsage46m3
coinsage46m3

@TheWatcher000  What exactly does this have to do with this article?

delinx32
delinx32

@lewishim666 @delinx32 @ryan3250  I'm not making excuses.  I said I play the game the way I want.  I'm not ashamed of it, nor do I hide it.  I needed a boost and I didn't want to waste time farming.  The only other option would be to go back to TVHM where the critters were level 50.  With me being 57, there was no xp or loot to be had that would be useful. 


I'm not making an argument for or against modding, I'm arguing against people trying to tell other people how to play a game.  As long as there are games there will be people trying their best to cheat the system. Indeed to some people, the game is actually trying to break the game.  That's fun for people too.  Some people like to play online, some people like to play solo, some people like to faceroll everything, some people like to struggle.  Play the way you want.

lewishim666
lewishim666

@ryan3250 Why do you care so much about how other people play. Don't you have friends to play with? Everyone likes to play Borderlands online. Don't act like you're the only one. You can just play with friends like I do and have fun discovering new weapons. If you don't have any friends just play the game and find people that don't mod to play with and make them your friends if it's such a big deal for you to the point that you have to show off to feel good about yourself or else it's not worth playing the game apparently.

delinx32
delinx32

@ryan3250  Yeah, I don't really care how you want to play.  I only care how I want to play.  If you want to play online then you need to filter out the modders that you don't want to play with.  That's the way you choose to play the game.  You don't get to choose how everyone in the world plays the game.

lewishim666
lewishim666

@spyzdemon3 @delinx32 @ryan3250 The bosses can be farmed. If you are that worried about it then don't pick up any of the loot that dropped when the modder killed the boss and do it again. Of course we all know that you pick up the loot anyway even though a modder killed the boss in one shot.

Too-DementeD
Too-DementeD

@miller633 @Too-DementeD @Realmjumper It was a joke about how it feels like a lot of companies have jumped onto the MOBA ship and put microtransactions in their game just because games like LoL and Dota are selling well.

I actually like Gearbox and love Borderlands. Can't wait for the pre-sequel.