'Gaming's most destructive battle' in EVE Online caused $300,000 in damages

And all because someone didn't pay their bill on time.

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The official report from EVE Online developer CCP on what it calls "gaming's most destructive battle ever" estimates damages at 11 Trillion in the game's currency (ISK), which equals approximately $300,000-$330,000 USD.

The conversion rate is based on players' ability to use ISK to buy PLEX, which they can then use to pay the game's subscription fee.

More than 75 Titan class ships were destroyed in the battle, each valued at about 100 billion ISK, which would equate to around $3000 each. They are the largest ship class in EVE and take thousands of man hours to produce. Up until now, no more than 12 Titans had ever been lost in a single battle.

And it all started because of one unpaid bill. "In the early hours of January 27th, 2014 CONCORD (the NPC 'police force') came to collect the sovereignty bill for a dead-end system in the Immensea region called B-R5RB," CCP wrote on its website. The system had recently been transferred to a player corporation called H A V O C, used by the alliance Pandemic Legion. For some reason, H A V O C forgot to set its automatic payment, meaning it didn't pay its bill and immediately lost control of the system, leaving it open to attack.

The CFC Alliance and Russian-heavy coalition forces seized the opportunity and started a battle which lasted 21 hours. 7,548 players participated in the fighting. The CFC eventually won the day, but with heavy losses, including 16 of its Titans destroyed.

CCP will commemorate the event with the "Titanomachy" monument, a permanent installation of Titan wrecks around the site of the battle. You can read a full report on the battle on CCP's website.

Discussion

206 comments
Hicser03
Hicser03

Never played eve but always love hearing these crazy stories about it, makes me want to play but it sounds insanely complex and a hell of a time vampire.

jessie82
jessie82

odd gs news said 500k this says 300k

TenraiSenshi
TenraiSenshi

This is part of why I'll never play EVE. While I don't doubt many consider it to be a good game, it just has far too strong of a link to real-world money for my liking. Games are meant to be about fun and escapism, not about putting real value to digital creations, at least, not to such a severe extent. When you start counting your in-game losses in dollars, and start adding a few zeros to the end, then in my eyes, you've already lost the plot.

XxXDarkness0XxX
XxXDarkness0XxX

i dont get it? i have never played this game can someone explain what happened 

dpclark
dpclark

Either these guys are filthy rich or are prime candidates for ObamaCare and food-stamps...

wristbreaker
wristbreaker

needless to say this is not a game for everyone... it requires patience and intellect to appreciate what this game has to offer... I personally love the scope and length that this game reaches... the only thing holding me back though is the monthly subscription... a little expensive now that I have kids... though if you can afford it... this game will not disappoint, more so if you have lots of friends to play with...

Gopstop22
Gopstop22

i dont understand a shit there....ships slowly move green/red lasers and u stare at it...how do u even control there anything?

randalmcdaniel8
randalmcdaniel8

a bunch of green lines clicked on other green and red lines.. thats what happened

RoachRush
RoachRush

Ah, EVE. My favorite game to watch from a distance.

jupsto
jupsto

conceptually eve is the most interesting game ever made, unfortunately its actually INCREDIBLY boring to play. I mean watch that video, nothing is happening at all.


Still waiting for a good sandbox mmo.

Vambran
Vambran

So is it possible for a single person to build a titan for themselves?

orbit991
orbit991

To bad the fighting is just starring at tiny icons that barely move while some guy yells orders through vent.

port_nine
port_nine

I've never played this game.. But reading this article sounded like something out of a Science Fiction movie. That's pretty darn cool.

I mean it sucks for the players who lost all their time and money spent with the game I guess.. But it sounds ripped out of the headlines of a Sci-Fi movie.

vduong942
vduong942

we need more news about star citizen

WeWerePirates
WeWerePirates

Converting based on PLEX costs is funny but wrong. Buying PLEXs isn't a sensible way to get money, they are priced controlled and the cap on their demand is more or less invariable. It's like you don't translate the value of things between currencies taking into acount bank fees or that they always use the worst exchange rate they can for you. Along the same principle converting by PLEX is taking those costs into account when in practice those costs are probably the majority of the cost. It's a pay to win feature that exploits lapse in impulse control not an exchange rate.

That said the losses were staggering and the trigger might have been a glitch in the payment system.

finalkain
finalkain

The Russian Zerg Strikes again

DonGibon
DonGibon

DOUBLE FACEPALM... and i tought i've seen it all in videogaming... FACEPALM AGAIN!!!

Tyler Fogel
Tyler Fogel

someone should make a sped up version, around the speed of what it would look like without server lag

Kisalon
Kisalon

Considering how old the game is it still looks good, and next to that im glad the only thing i've ever lost in that game was a Battleship right before i quit :P

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

If this were done by a deep cover player agent who sabotaged one faction's payment specifically to create this opportunity for the other faction, it could go down as the greatest moment in MMO gaming. If it were a simple clerical error...

Dexyu
Dexyu

LEEEEEEROOOYYYYY JENKIEEEEENSSS!!

Apastron
Apastron

Reading these reports is always fascinating but watching the videos is super-disappointing.

Ichi_1
Ichi_1

Nice turnout for a 11 year old game.

naryanrobinson
naryanrobinson

The reason it's slow is because they've never had a battle that big in the history of the game, so the speed was deliberately slowed down to compensate for the lag.  It's not actually this speed to play the game 99.99999% of the time.

LuzerGS
LuzerGS

@Hicser03  Likewise; I'm definitely an MMO veteren, have played pretty much all major releases and loads of f2p titles from all spectrums of the genre, but I've always been too intimidated to try the beast that is EVE Online.


It also doesn't help that everyone regards it as one of the - if not the most - complex MMO, heck even game there is.

I wanted to get into Dust 514 but looks like it was not well received so probably won't; but I'm hopeful that maybe one day I'll muster enough of whatever to actually play/learn to play EVE Online 'coz it just seems so hot dang intriguing. 

gutsallover
gutsallover

@TenraiSenshi  This isn't something that a lot of people do. Whenever I lose an expensive ship, I don't think, "Oh, there goes 20 dollars!" 

There's simply the capacity for putting a monetary value due to the fact that in-game money can be purchased via PLEX (which is bought using real-world $) and ship losses are permanent. There are many games where you could make similar calculations, but the monetary investment doesn't have the potential for permanent loss.

It's definitely not a game for everyone, though. It does require a lot of thinking, but I find it's a great source of fun and escapism.

Kickable
Kickable

@XxXDarkness0XxX from what I can tell:  Eve costs $15 US dollars a month to play.  For those who don't want to pay real money(say a kid with no credit card), they can buy a PLEX in the game instead.  A PLEX is pretty much a certificate that lets you play for 1 month, and the kid would buy it using the virtual currency in game called ISK.  The ships lost in this battle were also bought or manufactured using ISK.  If a PLEX is worth $15 US dollars then so is the amount of ISK it took to buy that ship.  They just converted the ISK lost in game to its respective US dollar amount.

Janpieterzun
Janpieterzun

@wristbreaker  

Intellect? Or an abundance of free time? Honestly i love the way EvE players like jerking themselves off for playing this time sink.

Arcturuss
Arcturuss

@Gopstop22  When there are thousands of ships in a system time dialation kicks in.  Basically makes the game move at 10% speed to stop the server from cracking.  And you controll it with trying to find the guy you're supposed to shoot, and shooting him :P

Arcturuss
Arcturuss

@jupsto  Small scale pvp is actually really fast and intense.  And the fact that you lose your ship when you lose makes it really intense.  "noob freeze" is actually a term that applies to most newbies in pvp,  Where they get so stressed out that they literally freeze and do virtually nothing as their ship gets blown up.

Myself i've gotten way past it but i still get shakes every once in a while after really good fights.

ioshilee
ioshilee

@Vambran  No. Even if you have money to afford it, it can't be built by a single manufacturer. The Titan can't dock to a station, because of it's immence size, and it can't enter High Sec. You can't even leave it to switch to a different ship - you can only exit it in capsule, but that leaves it floating empety in space, open to ANYONE to claim it for themselves. Titan pilots have at least 2 accounts, one is for titan pilot, and other one for other stuff :) 

lindallison
lindallison

@port_nine  

I did a free trial and decided the game would require way more time investment than I was willing to give it - 


But as a space-sim and SF lover, I'm happy it exists.

dude102
dude102

@vduong942 theres plenty of news on star citizens website the gaming media just talks about how much it makes.  There is also a video series they release every week that talks about and answers questions about the game.

ShimmeringSword
ShimmeringSword

@vduong942 There isn't really news about star citizen other than "more money" and every few months "here's a ship". It's got all the hype it needs, news sites will wait until it has something tangible to show.

ggregd
ggregd

@WeWerePirates  They didn't use the cost of buying PLEX, they based it on the amount needed to pay the monthly subscription.

yoda101280
yoda101280

it's not server lag, in big battles like that CCP slows their servers down to 10%, they said it's the only way they can keep things functional in battles like that.  So it's slow as hell but it runs.

synysterxvii
synysterxvii

@Kisalon  You realise the game has gone through multiple graphical updates right?

vadagar1
vadagar1

@Ichi_1 well space games do age gracefully

Arcturuss
Arcturuss

@Janpieterzun @wristbreaker  Well more than 90% of the people i know who play eve and are good at it are Engineers, biologists and other "difficult" science vocations.  So thats something? :P

Its like the old saying,  "When ten  players leave eve for wow, the average IQ of both games goes up."

Inlex
Inlex

@lindallison @port_nine Same here. The trial really impressed me. But I saw how much I was going to have to learn. Study even, to play the game properly. These kinds of things really make me want to play in anyway, though...

parrot_of_adun
parrot_of_adun

@ggregd @vduong942 Not really. I mean, it is a more casual idea, but that's largely because they're completely different types of games. It's like comparing Counterstrike to Arma.

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---Cipher---

@ShimmeringSword It has more hype than it needs.... There is far too much hype there. Even if it delivers everything and more, people will still call it a let down at this point imo.