DICE defends Battlefield 4 announcement timing

Executive producer calls reaction to new shooter unveiling "sad," says gamers are worried for "all the wrong reasons."

Last month, Electronic Arts officially announced Battlefield 4, even though it hasn't yet finished working on add-ons for Battlefield 3. The timing of the game's announcement struck up a commotion with some gamers, but EA executive producer Patrick Bach dismissed these concerns.

Too soon for Battlefield 4 announcement? Bach doesn't think so.

"We have now announced we are putting a lot of effort into supporting Battlefield 3 and still we get reactions like this. I think it's just sad," he told Eurogamer. "We are dedicated to supporting Battlefield 3. People seem to be worried for all the wrong reasons."

Bach said he has heard similar complaints before with Battlefield 2, and claimed they are misguided.

"People tend to forget we built three other Battlefield games in between Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 3," Bach said. "That's a natural reaction. People then think we won't support Battlefield 3, even though we have the Premium version. People know we're working on future expansion packs and we've been very open in explaining what we are doing."

Ultimately, Bach said that he understands that some will be upset to learn DICE is working on more than Battlefield 3, but noted "people want something awesome in the future, and that takes time."

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and is a big UCONN athletics fan.

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bobbosa
bobbosa

So, what I don't understand is you "fans" want another 6 or so years wait before the next Battlefield comes out. Won't that make most of the work they have done on Battlefield 4 for nothing, when the next gen consoles come out and they can use a better engine to run/design the games? It makes no sense to feel like they are turning into a 2 year turn out company. What you guys don't understand is the rising cost to make new engines, make the new games, and to do marketing and such. They have to spend nowadays over 20 mil dollars to make all these things. So yeah they want to make enough money to make the next battlefield on the next gen consoles, which will surly raise the cost to way more than 20 mil dollars to make a game. So stop your complaining and enjoy the games you have bought because sooner or later, we will have to pay way more than 60 dollars to buy a copy of a new game.

soyokaz3
soyokaz3

..If they could make better singleplayer campaign and... a 'AI match' like in BF2/BF1942.. 

BarryLifter
BarryLifter

BF3 sucks anyway. It tried to be too much like CoD. Bad Company 2 is miles better. Screw BF4, where's BC3!!!!!!

Kastigador
Kastigador

What everyone has to realize is the cost of gaming is going up. It's not all greed. Believe it or not, even major devs and mega huge publishers want their customers to be fans of their work even if it's eveolutionary and not revolutionary. That said, nobody likes change and/or paying more money and gamers are no different. But this is their business model they rely on to make a profit and develop ever more titles which is their mission to achieve ever more success. It's also the reason I personally choose not to play many main$tream blockbuster games unless they're just too good to pass up. Indie FTW. Please don't act like you don't have a choice. No reason getting all anonymous internet nasty with them.

lordvulcan
lordvulcan

I played BF3 for about half an hour online, way too inferior to DICE's earlier BF games. Battlefield 3 felt rushed and incomplete on release with a quite bad campaign. 

 

Went back to battlefield bad company 2 recently. A much better game that a high up at dice came out and said he was ashamed of. Perhaps if he had played his own game Battlefield 3 wouldn't have been the disappointment that it was. 

baal46
baal46

Its not even about the support. Its about the playerbase.

When BF4 comes out, the large majority of "serious" BF players will move to the new game. Therefore, if you want to keep up, play competitively, and find FULL servers, you need to buy the new game too.

rann89
rann89

"People tend to forget we built three other Battlefield games in between Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 3," Bach said.--- This is the stupidest comment he could have made. There's a massive time difference between Battlefield 2 to Battlefield 3 compared from Battlefield 3 to Battlefield 4. Battlefield 2 was dust long before 3 was even announced (yes, I know people still play it, but hundreds of people is insignificant compared to the scope of players we're addressing). 4 will be released before all of 3's content is even finished.

riseagainst976
riseagainst976

Why would announcing a sequel be bad?  Are people stupid. (rhetorical)  Seriously.... people complain just to complain.  The last thing I would ever whine about is the game company making a sequel to a game I like.

 

errrrrrr......I'm wetawded....durrrr

HAZCHEM88
HAZCHEM88

Of course DICE will defend that crap lol

BiiteMe
BiiteMe

BF3 was a great game until the Dev's got greedy and double dipped asking for another $50 to play the expansion, half of the cost of the original game. (though you don't have to pay. you miss out on a lot of content if you don't) . This is only my opinion but, I refuse to buy another Battlefield installment EVER, because I am almost certain a short while after release they will release an expansion and  dip their greedy little hands in our pockets again.

AlexFili
AlexFili

I hate how modern game support drops so quickly. Like with Assassins Creed Brotherhood/Revelations. I expect to find matches for up to 10 years, not 10 months. What a joke.

anvilone
anvilone moderator

Sure, they'll continue to support BF3 until 4 comes out. Well, great. If you buy the final DLC in March then you'll be able to find full matches for all of...six months before everyone switches to the new game? Come on. At least BC2 had time to breathe.

Max5dog
Max5dog

For everyone saying this is a sad and stupid, think about it... If next generation consoles come out by the end of 2013 and they make a release date beginning of 2014. Don't you think you'd want to play battlefield on the new consoles? If you are a console player that is. But when next generation consoles come out, the next generation of graphics will hit consoles and PC. So I'm glad they are making another battlefield. If it's with current gen consoles then no, because BF3 is barely playable on consoles.

Cozm1kaos
Cozm1kaos

BF3 is a great game and has many more years of play, specially with the expansions. Why make another BF4? can we guarantee they will not pull the plug on BF3 after buying all the xpacs? I mean most of their games did fall in that category. This is why we complain!!!! BC3 is well needed!!!!

Armyboy5
Armyboy5

I don't mind this coming out so soon, i think it's actually great.

but what concerns me is " Battlefield 4 " now THAT'S weird.. I mean seriously, don't they know that almost NO players want that? coulden't they go with 2143 or my (and my brothers) favorite idea would be a WWII?

 

that's sad to me..

 

what will still make me buy this is different armies. return the BC2 knifing mechanism because in BF3 the knifing is completely useless and I mean completely.. unless you ran out of bullets, switched to your pistol and wasted all your bullets there aswell and someone happened to be close to with and also happened to have less then 50% health, knifing would have been effective.

 

I want to fight with the Chinese! or fight terrorists with Israel would be even better ;P

but PLEASE don't make this another US vs RU game, I will NOT buy it.

vadicta
vadicta

After playing and experiencing something like Mirror's Edge, I think there are a lot of people at DICE who would rather do something other than shooters. Why don't you focus on your BF3 expansions for now and do something new before diving into the fourth instalment?

alenth
alenth

I thinkt that 90% of people complaining here don't even play BF3 they are just trying to hate EA because is what cool kids do today since ME3, yeah, there is a lot  aspects in BF3 that concerns players, some problems that require hotfixes and new features are needed (VOIP), my great issue is how slow dice is at fixing bugs and other things an official response about that would be nice, anyways the game runs well now but still needs fixing.

theKSMM
theKSMM

This seems like a bit of bellyaching from the gaming community (and God knows that we do bellyache sometimes) but I understand some of the concern after reading the comments.  However, the thing that we often forget is that for us, gaming is a hobby; for them, it's a business.  And if going to a shorter, tighter schedule allows them to make more money, then good for them.  If I were in the military shooter space watching Call of Duty print another half a billion dollars every year, I'd be asking myself "Hm, why aren't we doing that too?"

 

My guess is that if they spent six years developing a game, they were probably also making sure that the underlying technology (engine and networking code, etc) would support the next few releases in the series.  So I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.  If they screw it up, there will always be plenty of forums for bellyaching down the line.

junglist101
junglist101

Get used to this.  It's only gonna get worse....

anvilone
anvilone moderator

Bach left out the part where Battlefield 4 was announced by way of offering Beta access to Medal of Honor pre-orderers and NOT to the diehard BF fans that had paid $50 US for Premium not two weeks earlier. God damn, if you're going to call your own community "sad" at least try to understand what they're upset about before you alienate them further.

ChemicalReaper
ChemicalReaper

Patrick Bach on EA's operating principles: "All we want to do is make yacht-loads of money by ruining everyone's favorite developers and destroying their franchises, and still we get terrible reactions from consumers. I think it's just sad."

blackothh
blackothh

i dont understand what the problem is, new iterations of franchises go into the works as soon as the last one finishes. so they announced it, big deal, its nowhere near a surprise.

Shawn45
Shawn45

Wasn't BF3 released not even a year ago? Yeah, October 25th, 2011. If I had BF3, I would be a little peeved that they announced it so soon too. 10 months between releasing the game, and announcing it's sequel is kind of too quick, and makes me think of Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty.

Hrodwulf666
Hrodwulf666

Plus, I like many others, just dropped £40.00 on The premium content... Now, with this announcement they effectively dangle the fact that it is totally futile investing in the game I love because now they acknowledge its limited life span... You see this is it with EA... They just cant resist adding insult to injury, can they? If I pay £80 for a game, I want the audience to dictate when that Game is redundant!!! The longevity of which Mod tools might help stimulate? 

Hrodwulf666
Hrodwulf666

I support dice too.... But I have zero trust for EA. There's is NOTHING wrong with being sceptical, its a preservation instinct and where there is the potential for Bullshit... you should be sceptical towards EA, considering their reputation. Id be more concerned if people embraced this with open arms in blind ignorance rather than actually questioning what they are being told. It is rather early for an announcement, the fact it caused some considerable uproar is actual palpable proof of that, it's not that everyone out there is a moron...F**k you for suggesting that.  

Araknie
Araknie

The problem is, the major of the informed gamer don't believe no more on EA.

iluvOP
iluvOP

Glad they finally told that. Its incredible how stupid and blind some "fans" of the game can be. I support DICE, they have never let me down so far. Whenever the playerbase grows, the stupidity amongst them tenfolds.

Spartan-1657
Spartan-1657

What is with all the crying? Holy crap. They worked on BF3 for 5+ years. They never said they are going to release this game before all the expansions of BF3 were completed. All they did was announce that there will be a 4th one. They never said they are shutting down servers, they never said they are stopping support. They even have a few more expansions lined up. Calm down people. You are completely out of line and jumping the gun here.

 

You think they are really going to slack on the expansions of BF3? That will tell the fans a lot. Keep your chin up, and don't pre-judge. I think they are going to try their best with them so that the fans can see they are really putting forth an effort. Give it a chance.

AceBalls
AceBalls

I don't care what anyone thinks or feels because B3 is the best FPS action game ever made. I'm loving the game to death and the MW games are a come and gone experience as far as I'm concerned.

kbrbabzbtb
kbrbabzbtb

I guess gamers just dont like that companies are reaching for their wallets more often lately. Whole COD serie looks like 1 game that IMO should be much cheaper, maybe BF is taking this course also. Plus this whole DLC business, not to mention day1 DLC...to cut the cake the smallest piece possible.

gdawg234
gdawg234

BF3 is pimpin. DICE don't listen to these people whining about BF3. I am lovig BF3 still and am looking forward to BF4

Vodoo
Vodoo

Make a good zombie game instead Dice. Something where I get to play as the zombie instead of killing them. I want a zombie SIM dammit!!!

thechuck11
thechuck11

To me Battlefield 3 seemed kinda rushed with all the bugs, glitches, and server issues. As much as I am looking forward to BF4, im concerned it'll be even worse in those areas. I know they aren't going yearly, but this still does not seem enough time to make a well rounded game that is worth $60.

ObiWan86
ObiWan86

Can people stop making CoD and Battlefield?-_- its getting weirder and weirder in the modern FPS....

Mario_Bones
Mario_Bones

Exactly, there were three other Battlefield games inbetween 2 and 3, which gave more time for improvements between main games. That's half the reason people are pissed that 4 was announced already.

pyroman93
pyroman93

 @riseagainst976 Because yearly or biennial sequels should never have become the norm and only suggest that devs want more cash, not that they have significant improvements to make.

anvilone
anvilone moderator

 @BiiteMe They've been "double dipping" since the first Battlefield game. They've always released add-on expansions for more $$, and they've usually been worth the money.

Max5dog
Max5dog

 @Cozm1kaos  If next generation consoles come out by the end of 2013 and they make a release date beginning of 2014. Don't you think you'd want to play battlefield on the new consoles? If you are a console player that is. But when next generation consoles come out, the next generation of graphics will hit consoles and PC. So I'm glad they are making another battlefield. If it's with current gen console then no, because BF3 is barely playable on consoles.

Cozm1kaos
Cozm1kaos

 @Armyboy5 Knifing is perfect, I hate arcady feel knifing like COD its so cheese. Runing around killing everybody.

Grimbear13
Grimbear13

 @blackothh BF3 came out like a 10 years after BF2 granted 2142 was in between there.  It's just BF was clasically a franchise that was supported for a long time before any new iteration was created or even thought of.  Now it seems to be in the same 2 year cycle as any other generic shooter.  When you start getting into that loop then your quality drops drastically to make deadlines :(.

West123
West123

 @Shawn45 ture i gave up on Assassins Creed because of that...

robertcain
robertcain

 @Spartan-1657 Most people are unhappy at the announcement because it's only a two year gap between BF3 and BF4, whereas the gap between BF2 and BF3 was six. They're afraid that EA is turning into Activision, forcing DICE to focus solely on two year release windows alternating between Medal of Honour year in year out to bring in tons of money through their shooting franchises. As a result of this DICE is restricted and may not have enough time to innovate over the previous instalment, only recycling like COD has been doing with it's multiplayer since 2007. DICE will also be kept from making their own IPs such as Mirror's Edge 2 or Bad Company 3 which might cause fans to lose faith in DICE when they see basically the same FPS over and over again

BiiteMe
BiiteMe

 @anvilone

 yes, they have asked a "small" token for their add-on/expansions, usually around the $20 mark in the past, this abomination of an expansion came with a ridiculous $50 price tag and certainly is NOT worth it. That is the reason I referred to it as double dipping. They are not asking us to pay for an expansion but half a damn game.

evaneself
evaneself

@Cozm1kaos
 Knifing in Battlefield 3 is very bad, I think it is related to the response time from the server, however are not 100% chance to kill with a knife from behind. You have to be lucky.

Hrodwulf666
Hrodwulf666

 @robertcain  

Yes, yes, yes Rob!!!!

Why also would people sit idly by while EA has its way with a franchise that they love???? Its retarded to drop this information then just expect people to swallow it and sit in silence. 

 

Kastigador
Kastigador

 @riseagainst976  @pyroman93

 People just don't want to drop the cash, regardless of the improvements. The cost of gaming has been on the rise for some time now and this is one way to bring in more $$$... iterative new releases ala CoD. I don't mind, but others do and that's who is complaining the most.