Banjo-Kazooie spiritual successor falls apart

Fans of the Banjo-Kazooie series should not expect a new addition anytime soon.

The Banjo-Kazooie series will not be getting a spiritual successor, former Rare composer Grant Kirkhope has confirmed.

Posting in an Ask Me Anything thread on Reddit, Kirkhope responded to a fan question enquiring whether he and other developers of the original Banjo-Kazooie were working on a spiritual successor to the game. Kirkhope replied that while a character had been "drawn up" and a "demo level type thing" was created, the project fell apart as everyone had "other jobs".

Banjo-Kazooie was first released in 1998 for the Nintendo 64 and was followed by Banjo-Tooie (2000), Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge (2003), and Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (2008). More recently, Rare released Kinect Sports Rivals for the Xbox One.

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Rat_King
Rat_King

One of my favorite series. I would LOVE another game. Nuts and Bolts was awesome (my vote for one of the most underrated games of all time). THAT is what a sequel should be. The original at its core, but TONS of new stuff to make it fresh. I thought Nuts and Bolts was 10x better than Banjo Tooie. What other platform game lets you build literally almost any vehicle, land or air, you can think of? (Minecraft excluded, since that's all it is) Even if it doesn't work, you can still build it. No restrictions.


RIP Banjo.

eapete55
eapete55

@Rat_King Nuts and Bolts is everything that a sequel SHOULDN'T BE. They changed everything, at it's core it was not even close to being a Banjo and Kazooie game. They made it a kart racing thing, and that in its own right isn't bad, but it is a travesty to do that to the masterpieces that were the BaK games. Microsoft needs to sell the rights back to Nintendo, at least they would be able to find a team that would do some justice for the series. (Like Retro Studios) Microsoft is hopeless sometimes....

sonic_rareware8
sonic_rareware8

I would like to see another Banjo-Kazooie game as long as it's on Nintendo, this is showing you guys that Nintendo must buy Rare and it's five franchises back and hire the old staff back.

sonic_rareware8
sonic_rareware8

@linkdarkside  Exactly, and don't forget the British developer Rare along with Conker, Perfect Dark, Battletoads and Killer Instinct. :)

AyatollaofRnR
AyatollaofRnR

The more time Banjo lingers, the less likely we are to see another game.


Aside from Mario there just don't seem to be much in the way of platformers anymore. Certainly MS don't seem interested.



Jedilink109
Jedilink109

I think Rare needs to leave Microsoft and go back to Nintendo.  We all know why.  Forget this stupid Kinect Sports bullcrap and make real games like they used to.  They have no problem re-releasing their old games to fan's nostalgia but they seem to have ABSOLUTELY NO plans to make any new games with that level of quality that their titles used to show.  Their games used to be main AAA showcase titles for their respective systems!  Now they are a joke making Kinect only games.  What happened?  


I get that it's a ton of work making standout titles, but I'd rather make games like Perfect Dark, Conker, and so on instead of the casual crap they're making now.  And it wouldn't even be a problem if Rare made these casual games while also making these great titles as well but they don't anymore.  They gave that up years ago.


It's just such a shame to see it.  I know I have nostalgia goggles on but their old titles were some of the very best of their time.  In fact those titles are some of the N64 games I ALWAYS play when I pull up an emulator which is somewhat regularly (and even more now that my phone is powerful enough to play these games).  So because of my ease of access to them I tend to play their old games somewhat regularly now.  And they STILL hold up and are wildly fun to play today.  I'm not asking them to make the exact same games they used to.  I just wish they would get that spark of creativity again.  I just wish they'd get their fire back.

sonic_rareware8
sonic_rareware8

@Jedilink109  100% agree with you man, seriously they should quit the Kinect games, Nintendo should buy back Rare and it's franchises and hire back the old Rare team.

pooley690
pooley690

I think you hit the nail on the head there rare needs to grow some balls and go back to what they did best not messing around with pathetic waste of time games like kinect sport rivals for me the rare company I remember is a distant memory and a small fraction of the gaming company we all once new and loved!!!!! Listen to your customers rare and grow a set

xcollector
xcollector

Lets be realistic for a moment. We all know Rare is dead and MS has no interest in a classic Banjo unless they can make a TV show out of it. So there is no point in even entertaining this idea.

nintendo_police
nintendo_police

A hat in time is the true banjo kazzoie spiritual successor anyway

they even have kirkhope scoring the game

cboye18
cboye18

Never finished the first game; I couldn't get past Clanker's Cavern :( 

cboye18
cboye18

I hope to see Banjo Kazooie in the new smash bros, though it is unlikely. 

alterzero
alterzero

Only if it comes out for PC as well and if it's like the original Banjo-Kazooie, that was a charming game!...


I don't like what they did with the Xbox 360 one, no magic for me!... ¬_¬

visionedorange
visionedorange

well at least we got Kinect sports rivals..........................................................................................................................................................................................................

Dazanos
Dazanos

@visionedorange  Seriously... all that talent gone to waste on games nobody gives a damn about.

lilreider
lilreider

Would I like to see another Banjo Kazooie game? Probably more than anything haha

eternaldragoonx
eternaldragoonx

probably a good thing because RARE has sucked major b-hole for the past few years.

psuedospike
psuedospike

"Other jobs" working on shit Kinect games.  :(

getupandboogie
getupandboogie

I have Banjo Kazooie on XBLA and always end up coming back to it, trying to better my times. It was one of my favourite games on the n64 and is a masterpiece in terms of gameplay and music! (i love going round Gruntildas lair listening to the theme music changing with each zone approaching, very clever and nice touch) I never completed Tooie though, never really got into it, will right that wrong one day.


edit: looking back, all my old favourite games are rare! from goldeneye, to killer instinct, to Donkey kong country, they made quality games!

FLEEBS
FLEEBS

The only way I would like to see a new Banjo Kazooie is if the original team was onboard to develop it (which I realize is never going to happen). Rare's current dev team is trash and such a far cry to the glory that once was known as Rareware.


R.I.P. Rareware

nixxin25
nixxin25

Fuck you Microsoft for what you did to Rareware. Out of all the amazing games on the Nintendo 64, their games comprised at least half of them and made that system worth it. What have you done with them since you bought them? Pretty much nothing.

Thanks, Microsoft...

thefinalzapkeet
thefinalzapkeet

@nixxin25 I would say it's rare's fault for making that awful (banjo kazooie standard-wise) nuts and bolts game

XBlade1X
XBlade1X

Dear Rare, 

Stop making Kinect games and give us ones we can look forward to and enjoy for hours again. Now is the perfect time for a new Viva Pinata that can take advantage of the One's memory and give us huge beautiful gardens with much less space limitations and give us a great sequel to Banjo that gives us everything we loved about the first two games as well as keeping the stuff from N&B as an option for those who gave it a chance and appreciated what it had to offer.


You have a very talented, creative team and it's such a shame to see that its being forced to make casual games that most Rare fans cannot enjoy.

YearoftheSnake5
YearoftheSnake5

A Banjo Kazooie platformer done in the style of the original and Tooie would make the Xbox One look very attractive to me. I've been waiting on Banjo Kazooie 3 since I finished Tooie. With Rare doing Kinect trash these days, I don't think it's likely we'll see the return of the bird and bear platformer.

mkeezay22
mkeezay22

MS let Rare make games again or sell them, the reason no one had time to do BK is they were all working on new avatar items and Kinect games.

Nintendo_Man
Nintendo_Man moderator moderator

All they do now with Rare is make them develop Kinect rubbish.

jedinortd_basic
jedinortd_basic

When Nintendo sold off Rare they should have kept Banjo.

Carpetfluff
Carpetfluff

@jedinortd_basic  Nintendo never owned Rare or the Banjo IP. They started off with 10% of the shares and the Stamper brothers sold them a few more percent every time they needed some cash injected. Nintendo ended up at 49%, when the brothers decided they were done. The company went up for sale and MS were willing to stump up the full amount at once, while Nintendo weren't. They were never in a position to keep Banjo.

Stringerboy
Stringerboy

Even if they did release a new banjo, it would more than likely sell like shit because xbox players don't really play platformers.

StHapns247
StHapns247

@Stringerboy  Just so happens Xbox player don't play platformers because Xbox has to platformers.

Tigerbite2
Tigerbite2

@Stringerboy I'm not a big fan of platformers but Banjo is one of my favorite childhood games.  :D

XBlade1X
XBlade1X

@Stringerboy Uh what? Can't tell if you are being serious but if you are, you are wrong. I play Xbox and I love platformers so go figure.

Carpetfluff
Carpetfluff

@Stringerboy  You know why we don't play them much any more? Because there are hardly any released. Indie platformers nearly always do well, as long as they're decent games. The market still exists I think.

Daian
Daian

So basically "u know this thing that u didn't even know might have happened? Yeah well it's still not happening". 


I mean seriously, for the love of humanity and gaming, hire me so I can post actual news.

Carpetfluff
Carpetfluff

@Daian  Falls apart is a massive exaggeration for the headline. It makes it sound like they were half way done and it crumbled. They'd just looked into it and had done a couple of concepts.

delete-easycomeeasygo
delete-easycomeeasygo

Honestly I gave up on Banjo-Kazooie years ago, wait I take that back, I gave up on Rare years ago because they used to be the masters of new IP and look at them now, nothing. All the Fame and Glory, want down to Hell.

Maxx_the_Slash
Maxx_the_Slash

Why would someone ask Rare if they could make a spiritual successor to Banjo-Kazooie game? A spiritual successor? Really? And guys from Rare said they were actually working on a successor to Banjo-Kazooie?


Why would Rare bother making a spiritual successor to a game they own instead of making an ACTUAL Banjo-Kazooie game? THEY OWN THE SERIES. Why would they ever need to make a game similar to Banjo-Kazooie to replace a series they own instead of continuing the series they already have by making a 4th game?

pspearman
pspearman

You do realise that this question was asked to a former member of rare...

Poodger
Poodger

@Maxx_the_Slash They weren't talking to Rare, they were talking to the people of OLD Rare. Rare doesn;t have any of the original dream team left that brought us those classics. They all left, and some of them were trying to get a spiritual successor going.

diego_corleone
diego_corleone

That game was terrible, smart move from Microsoft. It's so bad that the characters have no voice.

Just little kids like that, just release it for Nintendo.

179107199999
179107199999

@diego_corleone  That series got a lot of love as did a lot of Rare's games. Its funny. Link never said anything for nearly 30 something years but he has a Legion of fans from Adults to children.For some reason FF7 is still popular yet characters had no voices. Voices don't make great games. A game can stand on its own merits and characters become likable when you become a significant part of their exploits.

lunar1122
lunar1122

no i would not like to see another banjo . What i would like to see instead is RARE actually making real games and not garbage for kinect. 

Maxx_the_Slash
Maxx_the_Slash

@lunar1122  You do realize that another Banjo game WOULD be a real game and not garbage for Kinect, right? By garbage for Kinect, I assume you're referring to all the Kinect Sports games that hardly even qualify as games. So why would you not want to see Banjo, which would be a real game and nothing like Kinect Sports?