1080p/30fps for PS4 game Driveclub is "absolutely the best thing"

New game director Paul Rustchynsky says what 30fps "allows us to do is to deliver the most detailed cars in-race that you will ever have seen."

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Sony's upcoming PlayStation 4 racing game Driveclub runs in 1080p at 30fps and that's in the best interest for the title, game director Paul Rustchynsky said in a new interview.

Speaking with VG247, Rustchynsky said Driveclub developer Evolution Studios initially targeted 60fps for the game, but it was later decided that 30fps would serve the game best.

"As we've got more familiar with the hardware, and also, looking at what we wanted from the game, we decided that 1080p, 30 frames per second is absolutely the best thing, because what that allows us to do is to deliver the most detailed cars in-race that you will ever have seen," Rustchynsky said.

"It's allowed us to create some of the biggest tracks you will ever see in a racing game, with the most visually-dense environments, as well as a full global illumination system which allows us to make time of day, where shadows are cast, full-on reflections," he added. "It's allowed us to push all those various areas."

Finally, Rustchynsky said PS4 game Infamous: Second Son was able to look beautiful as a result of Sucker Punch Productions engineers keeping the game running at 30fps instead of a higher resolution.

Driveclub was recently delayed, and it now launches on October 7. For more on the game, be sure to read our own interview with Rustchynsky and our entire previous coverage.

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Discussion

1904 comments
seven7swords
seven7swords

Huh... I wonder how 30fps is going to affect racing. I would assume higher refresh rates are important to all competitive games. Most fighting game communities would raise hell if characters didn't move in 60fps or more. Not really big into racing as I am fighting games so not one to say if driving requires the same level of twitch reaction time. If it does, 30fps could shallow online competition. :/


Alternatively they could animate cars in 60 and everything else in 30.

rickphoenixxx
rickphoenixxx

The X Box One- where 1080P/60fps next gen racing games are exclusive!!!!!!! Bask in your glory Turn 10, you deserve props.

Gamer-Geek
Gamer-Geek

30 FPS is more than enough and that's coming from a PC gamer.

fluffy_puppy666
fluffy_puppy666

Oh you, console gamers. It is 2014. I play games at 60fps 1080p even on my smartphone, console gaming is so silly.

masludicren
masludicren

HA BS4 EXPOSED!!! CANNOT DO 1080P 60 FPS!!!!!!

heretrix
heretrix

Disappointing. I thought anything less than 60 fps was unplayable.

Shantmaster_K
Shantmaster_K

Errmerrgerrd the PS4 can't handle 60fps derp derp derp

Vinnvn
Vinnvn

Well on this one you don't get cardboard cutouts crowds like in forza motorsport 5 for shitbox one.


1080p 60fps for xbox one is cardboard cutout.

Tomcat2007
Tomcat2007

 If Driveclub had been an Xbox One game, the title of the article would have been "New Xbox One racing game only runs at 30fps, game director attempts to defend it". 

draign
draign

How can you have the most detailed racing game at 30 fps? A racing Sim is all about how the car performs. If I wanted a race car jumping all over the track, Id go back to 1990 and play a Tyco handheld racer. 

lonesamurai1
lonesamurai1

It cracks me up that all of the people who were looking forward to the new consoles were talking smack about how powerful they would be but you ain't gettin 1080p 60fps for $400-$500 just accept what you paid for a an affordable video gaming machine that's easy to operate and does a few other things just like any other product or device on the market, but I'm sorry to tell you that cutting edge is reserved for the PC and the PC alone. (and well to some extent tablets and cellphones)

Rushaoz
Rushaoz

I'm happy about this. More devs need to do the same. Neither of these machines is powerful enough to maintain a steady 60 FPS on highly detailed games. I'd rather devs cap the games off at 30 FPS and use all that extra horsepower for higher resolutions and higher detailed visuals. 


I do this with all my games on my gaming rig. I have a GTX 660. If I wanted to play BF4 at a stable 60 FPS I'd have to drop my resolution to 900p and details to high presets. Capping my game off at 30 FPS allows me to run at 1080p with ultra detail settings. 


Quality over quantity I say. Besides, if people are expecting 60 FPS from these consoles, expect them to hit their hardware limits alot faster then last gen did. Remember these are essentially midrange 2012 gaming PCs. How much can you squeeze out of them before they quit on you?

Devils-DIVISION
Devils-DIVISION

Looks great. But I find racers generally boring. I shall wait and see what would make you want to keep playing this. 

Man this 30/60fps shit is really annoying. People down here talking about it being so groundbreaking that that alone could be the sole reason to not buy this game. Or that it just outright has ruined this game. FFS! How do any of you wankers actually enjoy games nowadays? As long as the game has consistent frames, why does any of this shit matter? Some game engines will be easily optimised and some game engines are just better than others. Not every engine is going to perform like the Fox Engine.

GregoryBastards
GregoryBastards

Oh wow another game delay....


WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO WITH THESE NEXT GEN PIECES OF CRAP....IV FUCKING SPEND THE MONEY I SAVED UP FOR A VACATION ON THESE TWO PLASTIC TURDS....IM GONNA FUCKING BREAK THEM WITH AN

AXE AND MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT IT....FUCKING RIP OFF....


whew...man that felt good.

Trickymaster
Trickymaster

The other day I saw someone call it DelayClub. Hahaha, love this community. I think it would be better to drop it to 900p and keep 60 fps. Racing games really need that higher framerate.


I just don't get how they gave up already. I would rather see them cut down on things than to experience low framerate. Optimize optimize optimize. If Microsoft can do it, there is nothing that should hold you back with 8 GB GDDR5.

XNEXUS666X
XNEXUS666X

Oh dear, looks like the PS4 is seeing it's limits now too :-S

itchyflop
itchyflop

infact didnt ridge racer on the ps3 run at 1080p at 60 frames?? i hope it wont spoil the fun of driveclub, im really looking forward to this. 

itchyflop
itchyflop

no no no no! or 60 fps and 1080p cos the ps4 CAN handle it i mean have i just paid 400 quid for a slight rise in detail only or shall i seel it and go get a pc THAT CAN HANDLE BOTH????? what a load of wank!!!

croxus
croxus

Good call, we need to finally savour those next gen graphics, such level of details will not be able to be rendered by competition and 30fps is the golden standard, besides bigger TVs with huge screens and resolution cannot take the best of the extra fps, which is not percievable by the eye anyways, but it will take a some great advantage of the extra details!!

At later time, they might unlock 60fps as well, but i wouldnt sweat on it, the priority right now is to see a next gen racer, we can have our 60fps from elsewhere...

bldgirsh
bldgirsh

Dell laptop doesn't make you a PC gamer.

rickphoenixxx
rickphoenixxx

@Vinnvn Come on now, it would be much easier to just admit the PS4 is wearing a push up bra. It's hoo haa's aren't that big and perky!!! At least the X1 realizes what it is, and let's em swing low and droop. Complaining about some frivolous background issues in an ACTUAL 1080P and 60FPS racing game doesn't hide your anger well about this 1080P and 30FPS one on the "superior" next gen console. This along with the Killzone multiplayer "kind of somewhat" 1080 resolution would make me very angry too if I bought a PS4 and was expecting anything more than comparable real-world performance to an X1. And the real shocker? The X1 reserves 10% of it's power for Kinect so how Forza 5 even came to be shows the system was actually designed very well internally...and if 8% of that power gets freed up in a future update, well hell that solves the cardboard background problem with future racing games right there lol.

Kreten1
Kreten1

@Vinnvn  what do you get for PeeStation? Ancient looking game at 30fps, it is what tech guys have been saying and as sony Zombie you should believe everything they say for clickbate articles

lonesamurai1
lonesamurai1

@Vinnvn I kinda like those "cardboard cutouts" Forza 5 is a good looking racing  game for console.

kovaras1984
kovaras1984

@Vinnvn at least on forza you get 60 frames per second.. not 30 which will no doubt drop in places if the hardware cant handle 60 fps it will still struggle with 30 in places

youre_a_sheep
youre_a_sheep

@draign It always makes me laugh when people treat things that didn't exist a short while ago as necessities.  Gran Turismo was once considered the prettiest thing anyone ever saw and no one ever cried "Oh my eyes are burning it's not 60 FPS!".

Benny_a
Benny_a

@XNEXUS666X what Limits? Its still 1080P just better graphics.

personally I dont care about 60FPS, ill take 1080P/30FPS and betetr graphics then 1080P/60FPS but worse graphics.

And I wont touch anything below 1080P, my PC monitor does 2560x1440, so 1080p is the minimum just out for respect for console games

XNEXUS666X
XNEXUS666X

@itchyflop Get a PC, it's gonna last longer, it's upgradeable (yes, that's a good thing). And you buy yourself out of this buyers resolution remorse for good. Trust me, I built my own PC and never look back (only to troll the console resolution wars).

console_war_vet
console_war_vet

@itchyflop I'd imagine that the hardware can handle it, but maybe the devs just want to get this game out the door (considering the development hell it has gone through) instead of taking the time and effort to optimize it properly.

Nev3rtime
Nev3rtime

@eternal_napalm  30 fps instead of 60 fps for things that require fast reactions, such as platformers and fps, does compromise gameplay. You might not visually notice the difference but you'd enjoy halo more if it was 60 fps. Racing games should target 60 fps.

I was disappointed to hear Mario Kart 8 reduces its fps to 30 when in 4 player mode but here's a racing game that doesn't achieve 60 fps even in single player. Pretty cars aren't worth it and it's a bad sign when a dev puts shiny graphics above gameplay.

bldgirsh
bldgirsh

Shadowfall sucks as well according to your logic. The sad part is these are games being made for the nex-gen while the others have been released on past-gen years ago. So you are saying that the PS4 hasn't improved from its predecessor?

Trickymaster
Trickymaster

@eternal_napalm  Do you need help? Halo is nowhere as fast paced as a racing game. You need higher framerates for fast paced games. Can you comprehend that?

Shadowdanc3r
Shadowdanc3r

@eternal_napalm Halo: Spartan Assault is 60 fps and people say it still sucks.  Halo 5 is targeting 60 fps and I expect it to be good.  I hope I'm right.

XNEXUS666X
XNEXUS666X

@Benny_a @XNEXUS666X Umm 30fps as opposed to 60fps... Those limits. You might not care about 60fps, but apparently the PS4 is the 1080p 60fps machine. Pretty weak for a next gen racing game, I guess this is just what happens when you have machines with *limited hardware.

Those cars look pretty good, but that background aint anything new.

Benny_a
Benny_a

@XNEXUS666X @itchyflopNot really, PC not a solution.

I have a PC that Steam puts in top 5%, but I also play games on PS3, PS4, x1 and Vita

Actually I choose to play Dark Souls 2 on PS3 even thou it was graphically worse, but at least i never encountered no hacked charcters invading me with one hit kills or million point lifebars.

Also, there are TONS of excellent console exclusive games that will never come to PC.


And right now, the graphical difference between PS4 game that runs at 1080p vs PC game that runs at same resolution is not that great.


So for 2014 if a game has online ill get the PS4 version like watch dogs or see comparison like wolfenstain, dont care about its online but if the ps4 version look simialr to pc ill grab the ps4 version just because im still excited for ps4.


P.S. Playing Pc games is a complicated choice, i can play it on my PC monitor its 27 inch and 2560x1440, so obviosly just the resolution betas every console game, BUT its 27 inch only.

Or i can PC or PS4 game on my 55 inch best model LED that sony had last year 55W900.

When both games run at same resolution, the only bonus of a pc is that you can force AA and have special filtering or Physx, but you dont sit as close as with PC monitor so in reality you dont notice such detail if both games run at 1080P and the console version is not castrated.


Assassin Creed 4 had almost no difference, but if you looked good at transparent objects they lacked anti aliasing

itchyflop
itchyflop

@console_war_vet @itchyflop  i can see and sympathise with what occured with the directors son and i wish him and his family all the best, i welcome higher detail and understand what your trying to convey, but will 30 fps feel sluggish when your driving, and im asking, its ok gt afor example running at 30fps, being a different style of game this is a driving game, you need the feel of speed. good answer, thanks for enlightenment :)

youre_a_sheep
youre_a_sheep

@Trickymaster @eternal_napalm That's a completely baseless claim.  Not once has anyone crashed in a racing game because it had the same framerate as every modern movie you've ever watched.

rez-935
rez-935

@XNEXUS666X  just wait. in the next 3 years you will see racing games at 1080p and 60fps

bldgirsh
bldgirsh

Why would we want a game that's locked at 30 FPS... You ponies can have it.

Vinnvn
Vinnvn

@itchyflop @XNEXUS666X  

Maybe, with 70000000 PC fagboys petitions.

T3xArmageddon
T3xArmageddon

@Benny_a @XNEXUS666X @itchyflop you just lost all credibility the minute you said you had to game on 27" PC monitor... But you could game on a 55" tv.... You realize a tv is a monitor with a tv tuner right?

itchyflop
itchyflop

@Benny_a @itchyflop @console_war_vet  thanks for the input and replies guys!! Benny, i understand the frame rate to res performance thing. For example if your fps shooter is running at 60 fps on the pc (bf3), you have more frames to shoot the enemy within a time period (minis-clue admit-idly) but it still means its a better game because it has that depth, where as the ps3 version running at 30fps may have felt less responsive and sluggish to some, i thought both were a real credit to each hardware. Drive-club is a wonderful looking game and i want the best from it, i have realized after some quality comment from some other gamers it wont necessarily suffer due to frame rate, you may not need it as in some games.

Benny_a
Benny_a

@itchyflop @console_war_vet Its actually very simple guys, ANY console can do 1080p, even Playstation 2 (It had one 1080I game, Gran Turismo)

I hope you understand that any device can do any resolution, its about what it can show at that resolution.

so they choose to have much betetr graphics, almost twice as complex then if they made this game run at 1080/60.

Fine by me, im ok if every console game comes out at 1080/30 but with pumped up optimized graphics.

And remember, 1080/30 on PS4 and x1 is NOT the same thing as 1080/30 on PS3 and X360!

Its like a difference between Wii game that you run at 1080P/60FPS on your PC emulator versus real PC game, its not just the resolution that makes a game, its the graphical detail, scene complexity, model detail, shades, lightning, AA and lots of other things