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#1  Edited By Robertos
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Posts misrepresent New York judge’s instructions to jury in Trump hush money trial | AP News

Another Alan "Diddler" Dershits lie. He is no different than Hannity or Tucker in that Fox video lol. As usual.

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@sargentd said:
@robertos said:

So has anyone refuted the evidence and charges yet?

Or are we still getting extremist right wing youtube clips with people who may or may not have their GED?

Dershowitz is a law professor at Harvard

Widely discredited, and now as useful as you linking Judge Jeanine because she was a Judge.

He is spamming the same exact lies as Tim Pool or Jesse Waters lol, his central claim in that Op-Ed was already fact checked as false by the Jury. He refuted absolutely nothing and provided no data to show he did. In that Op-Ed Alan Dershowitz stated we do not know what the crime was. This is fake as per the Jury and Evidence and court record. He is lying. We know what the crimes were (to make the falsifications a felony) as per the Jury's deliberation.

  • Fact-check: Trump’s speech at Trump Tower after his New York felony conviction - Poynter
  • What was Trump convicted of? Details on the 34 counts and his guilty verdict - CBS News
  • Debunking 12 Myths About Trump's Conviction | TIME

Myth: No one knows what Trump was charged with.

Response: Trump was charged in a 15-page indictment, handed up by a grand jury, with 34 counts of violating New York Penal Law 175-10 in the first degree, which is a felony. A violation in the first degree occurs when a person falsifies business records with an intent to defraud that includes an intent to commit, aid, or conceal another crime. In addition to the indictment, the Manhattan District Attorney filed a 13-page statement of facts detailing the allegations.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

1. Tax Fraud

2. Violation of the Federal Campaign Act.

3. Conspiracy, New York Election Law 17-152

This is a Fox News Op-Ed. This is his opinion and he is frequently wrong on his Fox News Op-Eds. A court of law would never use such a clip as evidence to appeal this case.

I need actual proof and evidence. Such as documents, emails, witness testimony, texts, etc. showing what specific piece of evidence used by the Jury was false. Also show me the legal code that these specific crimes do not apply to the statute used by the Prosecution and why they do not apply, with valid citation. Not Op-Eds. Alan Dershowitz did not do any of this. He gave his opinion. He did not show proof of this case being rigged.

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sargentd: He's also on Epstein's list.

It actually gets much worse than that but I'd rather not get into such nastiness for now.

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#3 Robertos
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@MirkoS77 said:
@sargentd said:
@MirkoS77 said:
@sargentd said:
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Remarkable how effective Biden’s “weaponized” DoJ is at stopping his political opponents from being elected, huh? Boy, that corrupt power, yup! 🙄

The benefits that Trump has gotten from our courts, which are going to questionable lengths to grant him his wishes, aren’t even remotely close to what a real kangaroo court would be. Trumpers are still crying victim, too stupid to even be cognizant that the preferential treatment Trump has gotten files directly in the face of their delusional claims. Nobody else would be treated like this.

Listening to an appeal is not special treatment, it's pretty normal. Especially with the circumstances of the prosecutor banging the DA and being forced off the case..The appeal is 100% appropriate.

What's abnormal is how NY conducted thier case.. 🙃..

Sure, and appeals and other routine judicial proceedings directly contradict and disprove your and others continual conspiratorial claims that our courts are nothing but kangaroo charades of a weaponized justice department operating at the whims of a corrupt administration.

Very flimsy logic to assume unless they go 100% gespato... there isn't weaponization of the justice system happening..

FYI, I don't watch any of the videos you post, so (at least replying to me) you can stop wasting the effort. You have a point to make, make an effort and articulate it in your own words.

As I told you in a previous post, garbage in =/= garbage out. You (and Trump) seem to believe that if you can convince people that there is corrupt impetus of these cases brought forth by partisan bad faith actors, that they are, by default, invalid and without merit. No. The cases will be ascertained upon the metric of their legal standing irrespective of what brought them to bear: facts, evidence, documentation, testimony. Biases and bad faith initiatives will largely be nullified and negated through the structures and strictures of our justice system at various points along its process.....whether it is in the questioning to weed out jurors who hold potential biases, recusals of judges or dismissal of prosecutors, the appeals process, etc. All this does not function perfectly, I'll concede, and there are mistakes made, but it's a system structured to be able to address such fallibility at various points along the line, and it's the best we have.

So what exactly are you proving, even were you to establish what you're arguing to Robertos in your long-winded post, that Biden and the prosecutors are all in on some grand scheme, and that they have effectively weaponized the DoJ to disenfranchise Trump? I could grant ALL of that, and it still wouldn't concern me as whatever is motivating their (supposedly) corrupt efforts is going to be whittled down and held to a process that is going to scrutinize it through the fire of legal rigor. There is only so much you can do when bound by law and its process......to believe that can be so subverted in the way you and Trump are implying is to have to believe that EVERYONE is in on it at all stages.

This is Trump's problem (and yours).....the appeals of blanket institutional distrust, fear mongering, partisan meddling, and demagoguery don't hold sway in an institution that concerns itself with what is provable and evidence based, and that is multi-layered to try to ensure the most impartial of determinations adhering to law by the time it's done.

Your framing of our justice system, like Trump's, is nothing but tin-foil hat, conspiratorial garbage.

They think 2020 Election was rigged, the 60 court cases Trump lost for 2020 were all rigged, all three of the civil trials he lost were rigged, and now this criminal trial was rigged.....

There has to come a point where they realize that they are being tricked and none of that was reversed because none of that was true.

I'm not sure how we can fix this. People get their information from literal cult members. It's become so bad.

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So has anyone refuted the evidence and charges yet?

Or are we still getting extremist right wing youtube clips with people who may or may not have their GED?

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@sargentd said:
@WitIsWisdom said:

What a clown show... I guess for those enjoying it, just enjoy it while you can. No chance the verdict doesn't get overturned in appeals.

I also believe it will be overturned, wild stuff!

No it won't. Also there was nothing wild about it, 12 Jurors saw the proof and convicted.

Also, lol citing Dershowitz and Matt Geatz back to back. YIKES. If you know you know.

@sargentd said:
@MirkoS77 said:

What's abnormal is how NY conducted thier case.. 🙃..

One day ago you didn't even know what the charges were for or the crimes that turned the falsified documents into a felony.

And now you're an expert on legal conduct?

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#7  Edited By Robertos
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@sargentd said:
@robertos said:

Why do far right crazies keep saying Biden did this? Any proof Biden had anything to do with the trial?

https://ago.mo.gov/attorney-general-bailey-demands-doj-turn-over-documents-relating-to-prosecutions-of-president-trump/

https://gazette.com/news/wex/scrutiny-of-prosecutor-matthew-colangelo-intensifies-after-trump-conviction/article_07fcca3c-a743-5cac-8746-22115bdf738e.html

No confiscated or leaked texts. No emails. No documents. No witnesses. No receipts.

You linked a press release site for a Republican...literally....this is like me linking Biden's .gov website which does the same shit talking....you linked opinions and feels.

The Gazette link offers zero proof, it just says Republicans are asking questions. It was quoting their opinions. This has been thoroughly fact checked and debunked:

  • Garland: DOJ not behind Trump New York prosecution (ny1.com)
  • Fact-check: Trump’s speech at Trump Tower after his New York felony conviction - Poynter
  • Following guilty verdict, fact-checking Trump's claims (wuft.org)
  • PolitiFact | Following guilty verdict, fact-checking Donald Trump on Biden’s role, being a ‘political prisoner’

We objectively have 0 proof that Biden was involved.

You are not in touch with reality.

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#8 Robertos
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@sargentd said:
@mattbbpl said:

@sargentd: Are you going to try to convince us your method of watching junk on YouTube is better?

😵

Uhh anyway.

Do you think this should be investigated?

Trump Witnesses Have Received Financial Benefits From Trump Businesses, Campaign — ProPublica

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@robertos: do you pay money to read wapo??

No there are many ways to bypass paywalls but here is another link,

Larry Hogan draws wrath of Trump World in Maryland Senate race (thehill.com)

They are going after him for saying to respect the rule of law lol. Without any evidence the trial was corrupt or facts to show the evidence was false. Without noting the fact Trump's DOJ put Michael Cohen in prison for years due to the same situation (albeit different crimes).

Insanity.

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Hogan provokes Trump-world ire: ‘You just ended your campaign’ - The Washington Post

Michael Cohen's family doxxed after Trump guilty verdict in porn star hush money case (nbcnews.com)

Totally not a cult 😂🤣