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By Jess McDonell | @JessMcDonell and Edmond Tran | @EdmondTran on December 9, 2015 at 6:30PM PST
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I think Man Eater from demon souls is harder than King Allant.
ruin sentinels on first playthrough: "OH MY GOD WHY WON'T YOU DIE MY WEAPONS ARE ALL BROKEN NOW"
ruin sentinels after figuring out they're weak to blunt damage: "wait... you're dead already? what?"
false king allant is probably my favorite fight in the series, also seriously, **** flamelurker. you practically need a magic build for it.
Fume hardest of all by far. Its his change in flow chart mid fight that makes him hard.
Easy to remember a pattern and get settled in it, but very hard to remember one pattern and then mid fight have to switch a new pattern.
Also the Lud and Zallen were hard.
@kazeswen: definitely. most important thing that gets players killed: only heal when the boss is not on you (watch who he is after and only heal when he is actively pursuing some1 else). He's not to hard to run away from. If you do him solo.... well.... man up i guess ;)
Lud and Zallen are tough especially solo. It just happens so often that 1 of them is out of view and that is really scary. In the SOTFS version you have 3 NPC phantoms to help and even on higher ng cycles they are all likely to survive the boss fight in my experience.
If I had to battle all of the Souls bosses to rescue Jess from the hands of evil, I'd definitely do it. With my bare hands. And then I'd ask her to the movies.
I'm no Dark Souls Pro, but idk why everyone says Obstein and Smaugh is the hardest boss. I beat them on my first try.
*bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep* Fume Knight! That guy made me take a pretty long break from the DS2 expansions, even though they're brilliant so far.
Dks 2 bosses are all pushovers if you have 14+ ADP (which you can get at like level 15)
This list is pretty much spot on. But I love how the Souls Bosses' difficulty can be somewhat subjective. Old King Allant wasn't particularly hard for me but Maneater was a huge pain in my side. Ruin Sentinels were rough at first but now I find them to be one of the easiest. But so far, some of the toughest challenges yet for me have been in the depth five chalice dungeons (Bloodborne), especially cursed or defiled. Haven't even made it all the way though, but I'm getting there.
@praisetheshat: Solo<d and plat'd Bloodborne by myself with my main build that uses the katana(cant remember the true name) that scales in bloodtinge and makes you lose your health overtime when 2-handing it so I have no doubt you can achieve those. The cursed dog but mostly cursed amygdala are a pain but after that its such a relief and the rest is easy.
@gameroutlawzz: the defiled chalice with watchdog and amygdala is depth 4. try depth 5 root dungeons with all 3 rites, that's what's up :) but even that you get used to. I've beaten all dungeons on level 50 (beaten them before and knew what was coming) and i admit that the defiled 1 was a pain with 25 VIT, but it's a questions of getting used to it. Root dungeons can be insane, like hemwick witches all over the areas summoning 3 demons (or 4?) and sometimes there are 2 witches in the same room (!!!). Now THAT is hard :)
I made a dungeon of my own. glyph: hgkenhpq. It's a lower loran with all rites. The layers are all tough with the aforementioned witches, but the bosses are pretty easy (depending on how often you faced them). 1st layer watchdog, 2nd layer crawling silverbeast (ye pretty weird, but it can still kill you in 2 quick hits), 3rd layer amygdala (ok that one is tough). It does have a bloodrock, which you can only obtain if you haven't gotten any out of a loran coffin, uncanny blade of mercy and i think uncanny burial blade. It also has very sweet farming spots for waning fire and bolt gems. best i got: fire atk 21%, add fire 31,5, increase stamina 2,9 (rating 18) from a buffed madman next to the layer 1 lamp.
oh yeah! While i consider the sentinels 1 of the easier bosses now, i remember it took me 3-4 hours to beat them the 1st time. i partly blame my lousy equipment at that time but most of all you gotta learn their moveset. What can a boss do and what can't he do and what will he probably do if i do this and that (some bloodborne bosses react to you healing and a lot of them react to you having low health, in which case they might just chain a 6th or 7th hit to their combo that you have never seen before and kill you with it).
If he couldn't be cheesed with poison knifes i think the abhorrent beast would probably be my number 1. freakishly relentless, there's almost no opportunity to get in a hit without getting hit yourself, and amazing tracking-abilities (take that circle-strafer!).
The Prize for the most annoying boss would go to the bloodstarved beast, especially in the depths 5 dungeons. He's not hard to beat, he just soooo dodgy. He's all over the place but seldom at the end of your weapon. Plus he has a 1-shot which is sometimes hard to notice. At least once per fight i have to yell: could you f-ing please stay in 1 place for a sec?
Good list. The Old King Allant is the worst. He is fast and can take you if you get close or far. If you lost the timing you're dead. If he grabs you you loose a soul level! Little time to heal. Demon Souls bosses are the toughest. Dark Souls 2 (without expasions) is the easiest, I think.
To beat Flamelurker just hide behind a column and cast some spells or use a long weapon.
Ancient Dragon is easy. Get in front of him all times. If he flies, run as fast as possible. If it turns his head go to the left claw and hit 2-3 times. Repeat and he is dead. Use the ring with that guy in your back if you still have trouble.
even easier Ancient Dragon: stay between his rear legs (under him) and start hitting one. 80% of the time he will stomp with the attacked leg in which case you just switch to the other one. every once in a while he will self-immolate which means you need to get out from under him. This is a good time to buff your sword again. Of course there's always a chance he will fly up in which case i simply run towards his tail so i don't get hit. Although he can turn around a bit while airborne he can't do 360s at will so this is a pretty safe strategy. More so if you are playing the scholar of the 1st sin version because the fire no longer 1-shots you.
It goes without saying that you have to learn his moves. He telegraphes them all you just have to know what is what. E.g. the self-immolation is very easy to dodge, but only if you know what's going on. Otherwise you are toast ;)
Nope, all hardest boss in the entire Souls series is the cliff. That only can top the combined kills of all the other bosses, several hundred times over.
@solid_snake1461: More specifically: Locked on movement that makes you fall off :( So many time i died because i was locked on to an enemy and i fell off because of weird angles.
@RaveNRolla: I almost never lock on against bosses in those games.
@gameroutlawzz: I'm talking about normal enemies and cliffs. But i still actually do lock on to most bosses i think, except if they are gigantic. I don't lock on during pvp though most of the time.
Flamelurker is still the boss I have had the most trouble with in the entire Souls series... Bloodborne included. I believe it took me 48 tries to finally kill Flamelurker and that was without using magic because I was so new to the series that I didn't realize he was weak to it.
The Maneaters were always a pain too just because they could knock you off a ledge to your doom so easily.
Honorable mention also goes to the Smelter Demon... always seemed to give me trouble.
I remember riding an elevator along with 2 other comrades to meet the Old King Allant. As the elevator stopped, the King looked over his shoulders, stood up and rush into one of my guys and chocked him to death. While the other was atomized by his energy blast.
Queelag was worst for me. Manus was easiest for me. I only played DS1 though.
Was Fume Knight in the DLC? Don't remember him.
@macklin_: I must have died 25, 35, maybe 50 times trying to be the Fume Knight. Guy is tough to beat even when I knew his skill set.
@macklin_: Yes, he was in The Crown of the Old Iron King DLC for Dark Souls II.
Sir Alonne also deserves special mention for being both very difficult, and having one of the toughest bonfire runs of any boss. I easily would spend ten minutes trying to get to the boss fog, only to die within the first thirty seconds of the fight. He's very fast, hard-hitting, and unrelenting, and has an excruciating habit of delaying his attacks juuuuust enough to make you mistime your roll.
1) Darklurker - specifically once he split since you could get cheap shotted by simultaneous spells (plus the whole traversing the abyss every time you die just to get back to him)
2) Kalameet - maybe I just suck, but I died so many times trying to take this guy down (SL 70).
Might disagree with Ornstein and Smough - Use a weapon with bleed damage and then try to tie one up on a column to get separation worked pretty well for me.
@boomhauer42: I had a lot of trouble with Kalameet aswell. Much more than with Manus. I also had trouble with Orstein and Smough, though. I tried to split them up using the pillars, but Ornstein always seemed too unpredictable for me. Even for a game with relatively slow combat, I was still too hesitant, I guess.
Oh, God. 1,000% agree with Fume Knight. I can't count the number of deaths at his hands. Bringing the 2 AI summons was pretty much counter productive as he became 3x tougher and they barely help. I had to strip to under 50% weight ( I usually do under 75%) and used 1 companion.
Pursuer (DS2) was horrible for me. Not because of the mechanics so much, but the fact he's so early in the game (well before you have any real build). I spent more time on him than any other boss. He required a lot of patience. You do very little damage at that point, and he doesn't really have any safe spots. So a ton of waiting for 1-2 hits.
Smelter demon would come in second. Even being near the end he was very hard for me.
I don't think I would rate fume knight on top. One of the more difficult for sure, but at that point you have a solid build, gear, and tactical awareness.
I like how diverse everyone's answers are. That is how you know its a great game series.
Although, no boss is as hard as the first souls game boss you played. (which is also - at the same time - the fight that determines whether you love or hate the souls franchise)
@gregyeah3: Oh man, I agree. Smelter demon was pry the hardest fro me to beat in ds 2. pursuer was challenging again but not compared to smelter demon
@gregyeah3: Did you ever fight the 2 Pursuers in the Throne room on NG+
Now that was a challenge worthy of an Undead!
@RSM-HQ: I did, but by that time I swapped to melee/caster and had soul geyser so everything was easy. I imagine it a living nightmare as pure melee.
@gregyeah3: I did some Pyromancy for PvP, but nothing was stat focused that would even the odds against those two. Did they even have an element weakness? xD
In my opinion it was the hardest challenge in the base game. Even at level 110 it was insane lol.
@RSM-HQ: I found out by accident if you let 1 of them grab and curse you (when his sword turns blue) the animation takes so long the other dude gets bored because he can't hit you and disappears. just finish off the one that grabbed you, pick up his stuff, chill at bonfire come back and finish the lazy guy with the short attention span. Of course it's not as "honourable" as really fighting them 1 on 2.
@RaveNRolla: Really o___O lol. That would have been hilarious to see.
Never had anything like that unfortunetly, as my character rarely got caught in charged grapples. Perhaps because I was a light armored Dex build I missed out on some funny glitches.
Oh well, honor is only for PvP and if you want to be honorable. Which from my experience is quite rare xD mind you most the time I'm the invader lol.
@RSM-HQ: Was never able to beat them in NG+ without allies.
@julianboxe: I'm very stubborn on these games in which I have to do tons of PvE myself first before I would get friends involved. However I don't blame you, that battle was OP xD
Can't believe no one has mentioned ancient dragon from DS2, hard as hell!
@jellyhillcrab: Thats the one thats sleeping right? Hes not hard if you don't die on the first attempt. I think I remember cutting a huge chunk of health off him while he was getting up. Now 2nd attempt ancient dragon? Yeah, ridiculously hard. Worse than fume knight in my book.
@gregyeah3: Basically any ONE attack kills with ONE hit, super intense battle.
I honestly have to say I had the most trouble with darklurker. After he split in to two parts the fight it was so easy to die from cheap shots that you didn't see coming.
I would replace Manus, flamelurker and Allant with:
Maneater - Demon's souls
Old Hero - Demon's souls
Royal Rat Authority - Dark Souls 2
Also worthy of mention
Smelter Demon - Dark Souls 2
Gravelord Nito - Dark Souls
and the biggest bitch of all:
Lost Sinner - Dark Souls 2
@bfa1509: Old Hero wasn't so bad you if you used Thief's Ring. He's blind so if he can't sense your footsteps he has no idea where you are. Otherwise yeah, he's a total bitch to fight.
@Raizak: Now you tell me...
@Raizak: I didn't know about the Thief ring, but I remember discovering mid fight by studying him, that he was blind, and if you stay away from him and don't move a muscle he won't find you and start flailing his hands - hit and run and escape again. Was pretty damn cool!!
Whatever hipersters say that "Dark Souls 2 is not Dark Souls " blablabla, Fume Knight is in fact the hardest boss ever.
@julianboxe: Sir Alonne was more challenging for me, but I agree Fume is cheap.