surrealnumber5's forum posts

Avatar image for surrealnumber5
surrealnumber5

23044

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

30

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#1  Edited By surrealnumber5
Member since 2008 • 23044 Posts

@RadecSupreme: funny that most people are independents, like my self, you sir are part of the cult of hate, not those that disagree with you.

Avatar image for surrealnumber5
surrealnumber5

23044

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

30

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#2  Edited By surrealnumber5
Member since 2008 • 23044 Posts

@worlock77 said:

@AutoPilotOn said:

@worlock77: then everyone loved bush too I guess.

Everyone? No. But he was elected twice. You're not elected to the presidency twice if "most" Americans hate you.

that is not true, you only need around 29.6% of eligible voters to win the general, when you factor in those who cannot vote for evil,

58.2% of eligible voters voted in the GE in 2012, meaning 29.6% would get you the win if elections were done on the popular vote, they are not.

i'd give a rough estimate that when factoring in the electoral college the number is closer to 25%. so, yea, you can win and most americans think you are trash, especially when you are running against your own policies with a chance of 4 more horrible years than you qualify for.

OBwhite lost to the original OB flavor swirl.

and OB is the worst president since WW2

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/07/02/obama-george-w-bush-quinnipiac-poll-reagan-clinton/11985837/

Avatar image for surrealnumber5
surrealnumber5

23044

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

30

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#3  Edited By surrealnumber5
Member since 2008 • 23044 Posts

as one of the people who was temp banned, yea the mods definitely were defending him, anyone who had anything but his good graces to speak of got the ax. i was not like raw, i was not trolling the guy, but i did register my disgust.

silencing anyone who has an adverse opinion about a subject is defending said subject.

Avatar image for surrealnumber5
surrealnumber5

23044

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

30

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#4 surrealnumber5
Member since 2008 • 23044 Posts

a lot of people quit when the mods decided to defend a pedophile and banned a good 60% of the good old boys, and some of those who were not banned quit, like xaos.

Avatar image for surrealnumber5
surrealnumber5

23044

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

30

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#6  Edited By surrealnumber5
Member since 2008 • 23044 Posts

old news, but i am an SO sub, caught a meteor shower thanks to him. astronomers are real scientists not boys modeling their wants and calling it science.

mind you it is not dooms day even if we had a pole shift and a period of rapid cooling.

Avatar image for surrealnumber5
surrealnumber5

23044

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

30

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#7 surrealnumber5
Member since 2008 • 23044 Posts

i have 1 pair of running shoes, 1 pair of slippers, 1 pair of boots, and 2 pair of dress shoes.

i go through them at a rate of one pair every .25, 1,2,2 years respectively.

Avatar image for surrealnumber5
surrealnumber5

23044

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

30

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#8 surrealnumber5
Member since 2008 • 23044 Posts

@junglist101 said:

I used to care but **** it. In about 20 years this place will look like mexico no matter what anyone tries to do. It's a lost battle.

yea man, 20 might be a little far ahead if immigration reform OB style passes without welfare reform in the apposite direction, increasing the burden on the state that already cant cover its current burdens is an all around losing proposition

Avatar image for surrealnumber5
surrealnumber5

23044

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

30

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#9  Edited By surrealnumber5
Member since 2008 • 23044 Posts

i am only liable for what i put my name on, what i sign off on, why does that change with politics?

when how and why do you assign guilt to parties who do not support what you are assigning to them?

and yes, a completely partisan bill signed into law in a completely partisan way must be assigned to that partisan faction who did that.


is the republican party trash? yes,. can they be blamed for the ACA? no, it was a partisan bill and the republicans were not the partisan actors who passed it.

Avatar image for surrealnumber5
surrealnumber5

23044

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

30

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#10  Edited By surrealnumber5
Member since 2008 • 23044 Posts
@Serraph105 said:

@surrealnumber5 said:

@Serraph105 said:

@surrealnumber5 said:

The ACA was fairly bipartisan in my view believe it or not because, votes aside, republicans (one's who are still in Congress) came up with it in the 90's, a Republican signed it into law in Massachusetts, and Democrats adopted it for the country as a whole. If that's not an admission from the other side that something is working I don't know what is tbh. Not to mention on the voter side of things the ACA is working out quite well in deep red Kentucky.

Back to immigration, I actually meant that waiting a few decades (though maybe closer to 1.5-2 decades would be more accurate) would for reform would mean that they could ignore the issue of welfare for a greater period of time. Ignoring problems until it becomes a bigger problem is also something congress has also shown bipartisan support in doing over the decades. My point was that if you really think immigration reform would exacerbate the issue of welfare then you should probably support it since exacerbation to the point of not having the option of ignoring it might be the only way to get Congress to work on welfare.

sir, votes matter, shifting blame without evidence of said support is subject to any number of fallacies. i hope one day, as a somewhat thinking person, you can step out of the partisan party lines, been hoping that for at least as long as i have been on OT, but as i have been here and as the political situation has become more radicalized you have picked party over reality.

you cant blame republicans who did not support something for supporting that thing they did not support.

political mental gymnastics is always impressive, and depressing.

I'm not attempting political gymnastics with this, I'm simply looking at the history of the ACA. It has roots in both parties, and while it's absolutely true that not a single republican voted for it, it's hard to ignore the fact that republicans both came up with and implemented early versions of it. Hell they even added 200 plus amendments to the bill before the final vote. They voted against it, but they are a huge part of the reason it currently works the way it does.

And again, no one in the party officially supported it, but they knew it was going to pass when it came time to vote, and they worked to shape the final product before it was enacted.

the variation of ideas is infinite, right? i mean there are creationist chemist, astronomers, physicists , ect. you are intermingling and strawmanning ideas to the extreme. the world is not as simple as the media would make it seem and the diversity of thought is a good thing, just because someone somewhere who might have been a republican endorsed ACA like plan does not make it a republican plan., especially since not a single republican rep endorsed it.

it works the way it does only because it was signed into law in a partisan fashion, the ACA is what it is because it was voted and signed as is. no other reason. that is not what makes it bad, what makes it bad is what it is, now is that why republicans were against it? i dont know, i am not those people, but it is as bad as it is because of the people who passed the bill and signed it into law.



i can wish for a flying unicorn all day, that is fine, but if i signed such a thing into law without considering this animal would need to be created from nothing and because of that it would cost literally a godly amount of funding to create, i could not blame that godly cost on the people who did not vote for my insanity.

you can only blame the people who signed on the dotted line.