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I'm not sure what is your argument here. Do you even disagree with what I've said? And I have no idea what does this have to do with World of Warcraft, this was a reality long before 2004.UpInFlames

What I meant is that undeveloped countries having more PCs speaks more for the importance of PCs on the global scale and that PC gaming is a mere side effect of that development, not anything to brag about in a debate solely on the gaming aspect of a PC.

That's like saying console gaming sucks because of all the annoying kids on Live. Of course, a lot of people are totally into that stuff and some are jerks about it. Nobody's forcing you to associate yourself with them, just play the games. I really don't understand how is that a knock against PC gaming. The community is vast and there are plenty of cool people who are ready to help out newcomers and I see it every day on these very forums.UpInFlames

The amount of jerks in PC gaming is that same as console gaming. I know people who can't play games like Counterstrike and Wow (alliance side) anymore because of all the annoying kids who make the game not fun. PC gaming is worse on this front due to the ease of hacking. Granted this has become MUCH better thanks to advances in hack busting programs, but it's still a reality in online games. I do know that not everyone who plays a PC is a complete jerk, but the level of elitism PC gamers can get to are unequaled.

People who upgrade anything on their PC three times a year don't know what the hell they're doing. That's like me going out and buying three Xbox 360's and five PS3's and complaining about consoles being expensive.UpInFlames

This is interesting, actually. All I ever hear from my primarily PC gaming friends is that new piece of equipment they're saving up fo and tend to buy a major part about three times a year on average. I will admit this is my own life experience talking and it may just be something that's more of a local thing. I wonder if Washington State is more inclined to spend wildly on PCs than go by other means. I also hear that this "overclocking" stuff can ruin a computer pretty quickly, so maybe that's apart of it too. Again, this is all I've ever known about PC gaming I am a bit biased in that regard.

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Ok, please stop saying that because it's fantastically false.UpInFlames

I'm just speaking on experience. People keep upgrading this and that on their PC about 3 times a year. I'm sorry if you think I mean upgrading the ENTIRE PC, that's not what I meant. I mean the people getting that new RAM stick or that slightly faster video card, not all at once.

PC gaming is as expensive as you make it to be. You do understand that PC gaming is much more popular in developing countries and console gaming is more popular in developed countries. Ask yourself why? Because, in the end, PC gaming is more affordable. These days, PC's are a necessity - consoles are still viewed as nothing more than toys. Their sole purpose is to play games. A lot of people simply cannot afford a dedicated gaming machine. On the other hand, they need a PC be it for work, school or whatever - and they use it as a gaming machine as well.

PC hardware is more expensive, but the software is much cheaper. PC games are cheaper from the start and their prices fall extremely fast. Also, PC games have incredible longevity whereas most console games are expendible goods. There's nothing like Civilization, The Sims or World of Warcraft on consoles. You beat a console game, you move on - that costs some serious money.UpInFlames

Now there's some presumptions about console games. I rarely simply beat a game and "move on". I've beaten Guitar Hero 3, for instance, multiple times and I'm still playing it constantly. I was still playing Smash Brothers Melee before Brawl came out. I know tons of people who still participte in Halo team matches. Replay value differs from game to game, no matter the system it comes out on. As for the more popular in undeveloped countries thing, that's like saying playing Snake on a cell phone is also using it as a gaming machine. I don't doubt that PC's are everywhere due to their immense capabilites, but using it as a game machine too is more of a side effect of the globalization of PC's than a main point. Other than WoW, I can't think of another game that has such a worldwide influence, though I'm sure there are other games with that claim.

Seems to me your problem lies in your friends and you being phased by their comments, not PC gaming.UpInFlames

That's the thing though. I've gotten so much worse from PC gamers I don't know. If I put my specs out on a forum for instance, I'm almost guaranteed to get a few comments about how much of a "noob" machine it is, followed by their PC specs. If I go to a convention, all I hear are people bragging about their system specs and even their cases. Even the ads I see are geared to the pure show of it. Everything I've ever seen or heard of PC gaming is an elitism towards being bigger and badder than the other guy.

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Glad to see so many people caught on to my post. To be completely honest, I really don't think PC gaming is anywhere close to dead. PC's are becoming a bigger part of people's lives every day and as long as people are still using PC's, people will keep making games for it. It's like people making games for a mobile.

I get the argument that upgrading your computer to play the latest games really isn't that big of a difference than buying a console, but it's the fact you have to keep upgrading it to keep playing the newest games. That's just the nature of PC gaming's oneupsmanship.

Imagine I buy a PS2 at launch and my friend upgrades his computer to the latest tech at the same time. Now we're out relatively the same amount of money at that point. Now speaking from a strict hardware standpoint, I may spend money on another controller and a couple of memory cards, give or take broken controllers and cards. Meanwhile, he's upgrading his computer every few months to keep up with demand. Here we are seven years later and I've finally decided to buy a newer console since I just got bored of God of War 2. My friend has probably spent far more than I have on his gaming. PC gaming is a VERY expensive hobby in the long run.

I also noticed someone was giving a list of pretty old games that were PC exclusive that have strong online communities. That was back when consoles were barely breaking into the online market. Now in the days of PSN and XBL, online communities are sprouting up for consoles now too. If your argument is that PC exclusives have the strongest online basis, that argument is fading fast. However, I will say my "nothing to play, nothing to buy" comment may have been a bit much. I guess not all of us can live on free Flash games alone.

There was also someone who brought up a good point about how PC's give you an option of how upgraded you want to be and when. My PC specs are far from the best, but it plays the games I want to play. I scale back graphics, but I couldn't care less about graphics. Heck, I still play my CD copy of Sam and Max and Day of the Tentacle on the monthly basis. My problem with this line of thinking is if I bring my PC gaming friends over and show my computer off, they'll laugh in my face and tell me all their "uber-1337" specs that they worked so hard to get. The PC community at large is an elitist group and will usually make fun of your system at the drop of the hat. If I want to play my Sims 2 with reflections off, why is that a bad thing?

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I played Road Rash until my thumbs were too blistered to play. That game ruled. For the game I loved that no one played, I'm going with Dark Cloud 2. It's just as good as Okami, but where's the cult love for this game? I don't hear anything about people who play it.

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If you want a reason for the "downfall" of PC gaming, look no further than the two biggest reasons of stupidly high system spec requirements and an overall lack of quality.

PC gamers just can't seem to handle that consoles are getting very close to having the features that PC's have been supporting for years. All that level creator and online stuff is now on all platforms. Now you've got console systems with all the perks of a PC and the huge advantage of a one time charge for the system. I love knowing I'll never have to open my Wii and add a new video card every few months in order to stay ahead of the tech curve. Sure I'll have to buy a few extra controllers and maybe a big plastic guitar every once in a while, but chances are I can pimp out my system with all the accessories for an 1/8th of the cost of a fully upgraded computer rig that will be outdated before the year is up.

Besides, why bother with PC gaming? There's really nothing to play, nothing to buy. Sure you may have your counter-argument, but PC gamers have to face the fact that anything of any quality on PC will either get ported to a console or was on the console first. I know the argument of the keyboard/mouse combo being the superior way to play an FPS, but are you going to seriously tell me that's worth the insane amount of money it takes to keep the computer upgraded? I think not.

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HADOUKEN!

Use a chalkboard.

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Hey Montana by Eve 6

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[QUOTE="spidermonkey11"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="sniper_basic"]

[QUOTE="bluntmastaslaya"]Mariners WIN!!!!!!!!! Bedard and Felix baby! best one two combo in mlb._Marisa_

If they can keep it up, the M's will have that AL West title by late July. GO MARINERS!



What about my Seahawks? :( You didn't say "GO SEAHAWKS!" :(

You mean the Seachickens



Oh. Your. God. You so did not just go there. Douth my eyes decieve me?

*Tosses a latte at Marisa, which she then gulps down the same way Popeye gulps down spinach*

Go get'm.

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[QUOTE="sniper_basic"]

[QUOTE="bluntmastaslaya"]Mariners WIN!!!!!!!!! Bedard and Felix baby! best one two combo in mlb._Marisa_

If they can keep it up, the M's will have that AL West title by late July. GO MARINERS!



What about my Seahawks? :( You didn't say "GO SEAHAWKS!" :(

*Checks calendar* Hmm....

GO SEAHAWKS DRAFT DAY PICKS!

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Mariners WIN!!!!!!!!! Bedard and Felix baby! best one two combo in mlb.bluntmastaslaya

If they can keep it up, the M's will have that AL West title by late July. GO MARINERS!