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#1 quickposter
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@luxuryheart said:
@quickposter said:

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Yes and no.

The Wii U failed because of name, gimmick, and the 3DS.

The name was very confusing. A lot of people thought that the Wii U was the tablet used on the Wii. I remember buying a Wii U for Christmas and my dad was like, "Wii U... Is that an extension of the Wii?" He was so confused, and I had to tell him that it was its own console.

It was the wrong gimmick. Stop me if you've heard this before, "a gaming system that allows you to play Nintendo games on the go!" Sounds familiar right? That's because it is! It's literally like the Gameboy, DS, and the 3DS. The Wii sold well because it was completely different from the DS. It was motion control vs touchscreen gaming on the go. They complimented each other. The Wii U was exactly like the 3DS and they even shared the same game library. That's why the 3DS is part of the reason that the Wii U flopped.

Its true they had a similar library but the technology definitely set them apart. Hyrule Warriors, Mario Maker and Woolly World all had key features removed on 3DS. Games like Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade X and Project Zero just wouldn't have been possible on 3DS.

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#2 quickposter
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@AzatiS said:
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@techhog89 said:
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I agree and disagree at the same time. But when everyone here and in other forums im participating saying again and again and again that Switch is a console, not my fault im talking about Switch as a console. And youre right, if you take Switch as what really is , a handheld that is, it does its own thing. I even said that long ago but noone seems to understand that. And whoever does, hes using it when it fits his arguments so thats double standard right there for most people.

But when you having Nintendo calling it console this console that automatically media and whole market, has to take it as a console. This leads to head to head comparisons with consoles which is wrong and might hurt the system in the long run. Doesnt matter if Switch in reality does its own thing, already comparisons are in effect and thats what im talking about.

So let me do the translation : Most people interested in Switch are already in PS4/PC/X1 bandwagon and having Switch as a secondary platform to play few exclusives cant find elsewhere. Thats the bitter truth. Nothing wrong with that but at the same time is a serious indicator about what im talking about.

So my theory falls apart ? My prediction is already in effect when everyone hiding behind portability when it comes to head to head comparisons with consoles ( check Doom ) then when it comes to sales and exclusives its all about consoles vs consoles. What i said before Switch release is in effect as we speak. So how exactly my theory falls apart ? Ehmm.

In fact i hope it does but we have to wait a bit for that and see.

As for everything else you said, i agree more or less. You have a point but try to see the whole picture. But but, Zelda goty, mario the best blabla ... Yeah, we always had such years since N64 but the outcome in the end was always the same. Life support that is. Some more severe cases than others but that was the case everytime in the end. Whatever the sales. Lets see then

Nintendo's conflicting message with it is one of the reasons Switch's future is unclear. Reggie mentioned it's portability for Bayonetta at the VGAs so they are starting to admit it. Its just a matter of time. I say your theory falls apart because the handheld audience is like the PC audience. Its large enough and exists but it doesn't directly compete with the bigger console audience. If Nintendo decide to mess up their victory and do another dedicated console then your theory holds ground. But Nintendo are confusing people with it because of their marketing on Switch. They probably think admitting it is the 3DS successor would stop what sales 3DS has left while admitting there isn't a different system altogether will be admitting they are done with consoles which is perceived as a sign of weakness.

You are right where you say most are after their alternative but eventually they will start expanding it towards the dedicated portable market again. Its a combination of the concept catching on and the handheld owners that can afford the premium price as to why Switch has caught on.

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@kjtc1979 said:
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Switch isn't about going after one or the other. Primarily, it's about consolidating the two markets into one, which allows for a more consistent flow of first party games and more overall third party support. There has always been an overlap between the home and portable markets for Nintendo. They can now give the full home console experience and the full portable console experience at the same time with little compromise.

Yes, PS5 and X2 will further push graphics to the bleeding edge, and those who care about such things and getting the major western AAA's will obviously continue to support those platforms. But that's only part of the video game market, and it currently has two major players competing for domination in it, with one clearly winning.

By the time those systems come out, we'll probably have seen some sort of Switch price drop and/or tech upgrade. Perhaps by the time PS5/X2 are out, the newest version of the Switch will be able to play the PS4/X1 games it can't play now. We'll see.

I still don't think that there is much of a market for those types of games on the go. I know people exist that want those games but to me PSP and Vita proved that "console quality" games, while seeing decent sales on handhelds, just tend not to meet the bigger audiences elsewhere. I know Nintendo care about the cinematic audience but I think they are aware they will struggle to bring them over as well.

The only reason to keep putting Nintendo in the same barn anymore is because they used to compete with them full force. They are still a competitor naturally but I think the wars fanboys group them in are gone since Kimishima said NX isn't the successor to 3DS or Wii U. My guess is it is the 3DS successor but they aren't admitting it. In which case they don't actively threaten Sony or Microsoft's main market unless Sony actually have the nerve to try a Vita successor and expect people to buy it after how they treated it last time.

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@AzatiS said:
@techhog89 said:
@AzatiS said:
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@AzatiS said:

I dont have to prove something, i asked you a question and i made clear why i think Switch is a handheld with the ability to play on TV, something that doesnt make it either a console nor hybrid. I gave examples why i think so. I even make you a question to make it even more clear, that of a PC with TV connectivity or a mobile.

Beleive what you want its fine.

Now you going away of the original argument. Ill keep it short. Theres a pattern with Nintendo consoles since N64. Whenever Nintendo systems are not in spotlight, sales slowing down and profits getting lower Nintendo traditionally pulling the trigger too fast. What this means ? That with PS5/X2 and the new era of games, when Switch will be only 3 years old, half thru its life cycle, will have to compete with MONSTERS, both hardware and software wise. People will go nuts, will focus on new consoles and new PC hardware and ofc next-gen games. How many will call Switch a console with unique features by then you think ?

You see all this console nonsense is a marketing BS. A great marketing BS that is working. But can backfire at the same time because you letting a handheld to have to compete head to head with consoles. And now things are ok because you got 2 old consoles out that are 4 years old, youve seen more or less what this generation of games is all about. No more hype behind them. When 9th generation of consoles get a release though and we gonna get the next-gen games that Switch will have to stand next to as a console ... oh boy... oh boy.

So what Nintendo does since N64 when things getting hard for them, despite sales ( take for example Wii ) .... They pulling the trigger way sooner than they should. And their systems start getting DUST and people moving on on other platforms while waiting for ages for 1-2 great games to play every now and then. And who will be hurt from this ? I know i wont. Sheep will. Sheep that now hating and flamming because they dont like my logic, opinions or whatever ... will be the ones that will get hurt in the end because they wont have games to play. Theyll be playing max 1-2-3 big blockbuster games per year like they did with every console since N64 after their 2-3rd year ( rarely 4th). Sometimes not even 1 the whole year ...

And look PS4, going into its 4th year and going as strong as ever with exclusive after exclusive, multi after multi. Look PS3 dammit ! A year away before PS4 release and TLOU gets a release for PS3. You wont see that from Nintendo if they lose momentum, since your console will have to be compared with consoles. Remember the pattern i told you about earlier. Its real.

In my opinion they should have promoted Switch as the one and only handheld. The best ever. The handheld that can play on TV. What really is in short and avoid this head to head comparison with consoles because its NOT a console !

Look what happened with DOOM. Its like my prediction became a reality in 2017. Everyone was hiding behind systems portability, even critics. .. they were calling Switch handheld/tablet all over the place ( google if you dont beleive ).

The only excuse i can find about this marketing BS is that they didnt want Switch to compete with 3DS and hurt 3DS sales and for Nintendo console fans a handheld wouldnt be appealing at all. Makes sense but still. Switch a console with unique features ? Gtfo ! And because of that kind of marketing and promotion right there ... oh boy ! Just wait and see and remember me when weird shit start happening. Mark my words

Your third paragraph is so wrong its unbelievable. Switch isn't after the core console demographic. Its a handheld after the handheld audience. It isn't directly competing with Sony and Microsoft anymore because Nintendo is quietly done with mainline consoles but don't want to admit it yet.

Translation: most people interested in Switch are not into PS5 and X2. So your theory falls apart. Its doing so well because its after the audience that is as loyal to Nintendo as the console audience is to Sony.

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@Jag85: Thats interesting. I started video games on the NES so I was unaware of that prediction. The handheld market (and console market for that matter) hasn't shrunk. It is the same. The miscalculation they make is that DS and Wii brought a lot of people which don't stick around like the dedicated handheld/console player does. That is the irony behind this smart phone preaching. The people playing those smart phone games don't pledge allegiance to anything and that includes smart phones. Smart phones can be dropped just as fast if somebody discovers the technique to draw them away.

Touch screens work for certain games and they actually can enhance gameplay depending on the implementation but as primary control method? Get out.

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The misconception from the armchair critics and analysts is that Wii U failed to sell because Nintendo systems were selling on gimmicks and their brands were losing power but this is dead wrong. Wii U failed because of the name. Branding confusion made it difficult and you can't market a system that doesn't want to be marketed. Everything else you bring up is an extension that happened due to poor sales so didn't overall effect it.

A lot sit back and claim Wii was the one that got lucky but when you consider that you also have to consider the Wii U was the unlucky one. Switch was never going to have the problems Wii U had because Wii U was impossible to communicate. In a parallel world where they named it something different or made it clear it was the Wii successor Gamecube is still their worst selling console.

The only chance you have of Switch sales falling off a cliff is if production ends. I can honestly see it performing as well as the Wii. There is obviously a large market of people who want to play "proper" games on handhelds and don't subscribe to Pachter's mobile future.

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#7  Edited By quickposter
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I simply couldn't live with myself if I input coding designed to rob innocent people of hundreds of thousands and possibly even millions of their hard earned money. I don't know how game developers can do this to people. I would see it as stolen. I don't know how game designers can look at themselves in the mirror in the morning spending that money knowing the publisher got it by scamming people are they were involved in scamming them.

I prefer to have a job where I have a clear conscience.

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#8 quickposter
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@xantufrog said:

Links or just shitposting?

It's already well established the PS4 is selling like hotcakes, and it just had the best black friday since its release in the UK (i.e., it's STILL selling like hotcakes)

Its already set to sell 600 000 units before years end.

http://gameranx.com/updates/id/129472/article/xbox-one-x-predicated-to-surpass-600k-sales-by-end-of-2017/

@vfighter I'm saying because 4K is a new feature in gaming it has got a lot of hype behind it. PS4 Pro does faux 4K while X does true 4K.

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@biack_goku: True but Bayonetta also wasn't associated with much back then so it still had potential for growth. Sony could have taken advantage of that.

@Shewgenja I'm sorry that happened to you. But at the time very few believed Microsoft would try their luck with DRM. Also it was done while Don *marketshare* Mattrick was in charge of the division. It ultimately came down to him. Also I think Microsoft actually made a big mistake removing Kinect. They had a vision and should have stuck with it. Removing or adding features to hardware isn't always "admitting" you made a mistake (contrary to fanboy banter).

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#10  Edited By quickposter
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@techhog89 said:

TIL that more power = innovative

Wait, no. No it doesn't.

4K is a feature that hasn't been done before. PS4 Pro is not 4K.

4K = Innovation.