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#1 Mighty-Lu-Bu
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It doesn't matter, Trump is going to win in a landslide. The Democrats have no campaign message and how can you go against a booming economy, lowest black employment rates, lowest disabled-person employment rates and lowest women unemployment rates?

The truth is, you can't. The Democrat also keep flip-flopping on issues.

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#2 Mighty-Lu-Bu
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No. This thread can be closed now.

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Yeah that article is 100% BS. I guess you guys don't know how the tax bracket system works in America, but the higher your income, you more you pay. In fact, the "evil" *sarcasm* 1% pays most of the taxes. But of course if you get your news from CNN and CBS you would think that rich people don't pay taxes.

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@mrbojangles25:

Not personally, but our country has been saving money. Also if these non-essential segments of the government can be shut down with no impact, then why do they exist?

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I hope this shutdown is permanent.

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#6  Edited By Mighty-Lu-Bu
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@comp_atkins said:
@mighty-lu-bu said:

The Iran deal was a win, win for Iran: they got their sanctions lifted which will ultimately make them more powerful and all they had to do was temporarily halt their nuclear program. The day the deal expired, they would literally pick up their nuclear program right up where they left off. A deal would indicate that both parties got something, but what did America get?

I don't think we should be negotiating with terrorists to begin with, but wouldn't a permanent nuclear ban be I don't know, more "efficient" in keeping nuclear weapons away from terrorists?

How would one propose making a "permanent" ban? Hell, for that matter, define permanent. Is it 40 years, 100 years, 1000 years? infinity years? Will the such a ban still be in effect when the earth no longer exits in a few billion years? Would Iran be banned by the US from pursuing nuclear weapons after the US is no longer a nation capable of enforcing such a ban? Limits exist for a reason. You may argue that the terms are not long enough, and that is a valid argument.

The agreement wasn't the US vs. Iran, it was a multilateral agreement. You ask what the rest of the world got in return? It got an Iran that is no longer pursuing nuclear weapons. The world got the right to inspect Iran's nuclear facilities to ensure compliance and retained the rights to levy additional sanctions should non-compliance be found. We don't live in a black and white world were simply because 'murica! wants everything under the sun that all other nations will bend over and lick their asses. If a deal between adversarial parties has aspects which all interested parties are happy with and aspects all interested parties dislike, it's probably on the right track.

Like many others have said, where is Iran's incentive now to come back to the negotiating table? They're free now to back out on their end and resume weapon's development, the precedent has been set. Or they're free to continue to comply with the terms in agreement with the other participating nations, making Trump's antics looks even more ridiculous on the world stage. Not to mention now the stupidity of putting the US at odd with its closest European allies wrt sanctions on Iran.

Trump made a silly campaign promise that wasn't well thought out, something he's done time and time again. Rather than admit it, to save face he's compelled to follow though on his promises.

His face is more important to him than America's or the worlds interest. We all know it.

This isn't about 'murica! and bending others to our will, this about keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists. The current leadership of Iran has openly supported terrorism and if the purpose of the ban was to prevent a terrorist nation from obtaining nuclear weapons than I would say that we utterly failed in this regard. What exactly was preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons after the ban expired? I am still waiting for the explanation.

Negotiating table? Since when did we start negotiating with terrorists? When Iran starts condemning terrorists acts, when they stop promoting terror themselves and when they stop harboring terrorists, then we can negotiate- but until then we will call the shots. The deal was bad from the start and the fact that it wasn't even approved by United States Senate makes it unconstitutional- this alone is grounds for the deal to be dismissed.

I just feel bad for the people that were duped into thinking that this was a good deal... Iran got everything they wanted and what did the world get? The got band-aid fix for something that could potentially be a REAL problem in the near future. Hell, ever since the deal Iran has become more violent, hostile and bold which isn't a good indication that they were ever going to be faithful to the original deal.

So back to my main point- why a temporary ban? It literally makes zero sense.

@mandzilla: This had nothing to do with nuclear energy- it was to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The United States has pulled out of the deal and I am willing to bet that other countries are going to back us up.

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The Iran deal was a win, win for Iran: they got their sanctions lifted which will ultimately make them more powerful and all they had to do was temporarily halt their nuclear program. The day the deal expired, they would literally pick up their nuclear program right up where they left off. A deal would indicate that both parties got something, but what did America get?

I don't think we should be negotiating with terrorists to begin with, but wouldn't a permanent nuclear ban be I don't know, more "efficient" in keeping nuclear weapons away from terrorists?

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#8  Edited By Mighty-Lu-Bu
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@perfect_blue: You are mad that I am flinging insults yet this has been the left's go to tactic on here- I have been called every name under the sun, but when I try to do the same (in a much more toned down way)- now suddenly I am uncivil? Calling someone an idiot, ignorant and a coward is now worse than being called a bigot? Than being called a racist? Really, come on man. Also, I am not saying that liberals aren't against terrorists, but I have to question their motives when they think a temporarily ban on nuclear development on a country that actively promotes terrorism is a good idea- that whole concept raises some SERIOUS red flags.

Can anyone answer me why the deal wasn't permanent? Why did Iran only have to temporarily halt their nuclear programs because we all know that when the deal expires that they are going to pick up right where they left off. It gets worse though because without sanctions, within the 7 years they would have gotten even more powerful. Can someone answer me why we a making deals with terrorists?

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@mighty-lu-bu: I am also a free market capitalist but I don't believe in government interference in the economy. I don't like their regulations, and that includes patents, IP, infinite trademarks, anti free market regulations. We are not so different, but you in the end believe in government interference in the free market. I'm not like you, I'm purist to the core and can see the commie socialist government handouts for what they are. You selectively pick and choose which handouts you like and which you don't based on your own selfish interests. You aren't a real capitalist, you're a communist in disguise. And I'll say that to any conjob/liberal or whoever that disagrees with me on getting rid of the patent system.

There must be some sort of confusion- I am completely anti-government and while I understand the necessity, I believe that a smaller government is the way to go. I am not anti-free market- I don't want regulations, in fact, I want less regulations. Handouts? Come on I'm conservative, not liberal.

Tell me more because you have me intrigued.

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#10  Edited By Mighty-Lu-Bu
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@perfect_blue: When dumb things are said like "the Iran deal was good" then I have the right to call you cowards. Sorry, but I am against terrorists.

@PraetorianMan: Because, it was a bad deal do begin with. With the Iran deal, Iran got a free pass- they got their sanctions lifted and they just had to halt their nuclear program for 7 years? What happens after 7 years when they become worse? They are already a terrorist nation and they have already proven that they cannot be trusted because ever since the deal they have become more violent and more radical.

And no it doesn't torpedo anything, that is your opinion, not a fact.

Iran still has its missile programs which were unaffected by the deal and they continue to fund terrorists- again all the deal did was temporarily prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons and it lifted their sanctions. These are terrorists, why the hell are we trying to make deals with them? Please explain this to me.