[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]

I think a very common problem with most everyone in this thread is that they misunderstand the burden of proof when it comes to State action. If one proposes that the State enact any law, the burden of proof is upon them to show that the state ought to make such a law.

Here's a good example: I hear a lot of people ask "C'mon seriously? Do you really need an Uzi to defend yourself? You can do it fine with a Pistol"

No, that argument does not carry, you are shifting the burden of proof. Its not my job to demonstrate that I need an Uzi to defend myself, its YOUR job to show why I should not be allowed to own an Uzi.

comp_atkins

you see my friend, a tank is not a firearm

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

The second amendment, like any other aged book or law, was the law of the day. Sure it worked 200 years ago or so. But does it work today with a growing and more violent population?

danwallacefan

It does work today. If you were a criminal, whos house would you rob? Rusty who has a shotgun and is willing to kill you to protect his family, or Marty who will run out the back door when you break in.

I'm pretty sure criminals don't carry handguns with a permit.

[QUOTE="ZookGuy"][QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

The constitustion wasn't made for felons now was it?

aransom

Death Penalty? Scew this I'm going to Canada.

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] But the constitution clearly said, "The right to bear arms shall not be infringed" 100 years ago, felons didn't lose gun rights, why do it now?ZookGuy

The constitustion wasn't made for felons now was it?

Free Citizens, when felons are on probation, Are they free?

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] How come felons can't bear arms? If we're going to ignore half of the amendment and take the "literal definition" Felons are still citizens.Ace_WondersX

felons loose rights

The constitustion wasn't made for felons now was it?

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

I don't care about guns too much, but

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

that the exact quote from the Bill of Rights.

This was written when regular people had to go to war with their government/ruler though.

Ace_WondersX

"The right to bear arms shall not be infringed"

This quote is still there. Theres only one interpritation of it, the literal one.

felons loose rights

I don't care about guns too much, but

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

that the exact quote from the Bill of Rights.

This was written when regular people had to go to war with their government/ruler though.

Ace_WondersX

"The right to bear arms shall not be infringed"

This quote is still there. Theres only one interpritation of it, the literal one.

Automatic 50-page thread. Anyway, it does mention "a well-regulated militia", which does suggest a national guard-like entity. Uncle Bob in Tennessee in his isolated shack with a M-16 assault rifle and some grenades does not a well-regulated militia make.Engrish_Major

national guard = military.

Military = government

government /= militia

Liberals and tyrants fear armed citizens.

aransom

"Sorry Ted, citizens are armed, we're gonna have to push back our plan to make America a communist nation."