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#1 megadeth1984
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The first one was great, the second one was good but the stupidly complicated plot ruined it, the third one was absolutely amazing with a great story, great audiovisual presentation and probably the best gameplay I've ever seen in a stealth based game (I think Thief is better in that aspect, but that's just me) but the 4th. one while it looked amazing the plot was SO boring, although I did cry at the ending XD.

So yeah, it's a cool game series but it's incredibly flawed.

KillerJuan77

I haven't played the first 3 so don't really know about it but I will try out mgs 3 as suggested by a lot of people. I agree Theif is probably the best stealth game ever. and the mgs4 plot is boring and very stale and the gameplay sucks except for ofcourse some cool things, too bad I didn't finish it in the end, from what I have heard the last bit is very emotional, and I think it would have provoked an emotion atleast from me, which the rest of the game couldn't except for anger that is.

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[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

[QUOTE="PalmPixi"]

  • It is a stealth game, but it's more of an action game. There is somewhat of a focus to it, but I wouldn't say it's a must have. You play the way you want, you can go all action, but it's best to hide at times.
  • How are the controls akward? Sure it doesn't play like most other games out there, It's not perfect, but they aren't bad ether.
  • What do you mean, read a book to play the game?
  • No trophies, has nothing to do with a games quality.
  • Basically, it's the 4th entry into the franchise. Did you honestly expect to know everything if you haven't played the first 3? It's like saying "well I watched the godfather 3, and it sucks because I didn't understand it" Of course you didn't, you didn't watch the first 2 movies.
  • Half of the game is cut-scenes, and? Not every game needs to be an action game.
  • To me it seems like your problem is simple: Your not into this type of game. Period. Does it mean the game doesn't deserve to be called "one of the greatest games of all time". No. You just aren't into this type of game, and I don't understand why you labeled critisim against the plot, knowing that you didn't play the previews games in the franchise.

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1. I have played hundreds of games if not a thousand and by no-way does MGS4 stand for more of an action game when all the equipment and gadgets and levels are designed for stealth. I have played almost untill the end and the stealth elements of the game are very poor considering the fact that its a stealth oriented game, like the level where you have to go through this town undetected I was enjoying it at first, reminded me of Theif, but it could have been done a lot better it had so much potential yet they just threw it in the disc with minimum effort you tell me wouldn't it be cool if he could go under the car and do enemy takedowns from there quietly? its just one I mentioned, they could have added a thousand more, but just 4 -5 would have been awesome.

Also the way he walks doesn't help the game, feels very comical and awkward yet tries to be serious and just doesn't go together for me. Its something like Terminator and Kindergarten mixed together in a Japanese guy's head, I have nothing against it but just not my taste, when I want a burger I have a burger not mix it with cake.

2. Controls are very stiff they are not as userfriendly as most other games comparatively Splinter Cell (close genre and available in console).

3. There was a whole ebook available at the time I got the game for people like me who hasn't played the first ones, in it, it had the story from the rest of the series. They could have just made a video like Dead Space 2 to catch you up to the story, and leaving out the details of some Japanese chick's bouncing melons.

4. Agree, but again I mentioned No Trophies because I was told by someone that this game is absolutely mind blowing and that he had gotten the platinum for it.

5. No I did't expect to know everything from the first three , but I did expect to be entertained by this story alone, so that it is intriguing enough that I will do some research and find out more about the characters and the previous games. It lacked a lot of intrigue, take for example God of War 3 people who didn't even know 1 and 2 wanted to play them after playing three cause it had intrigue and its not because its and action game but because its just an amazing experience.

6. I didn't say that it had to be an action game I said it should have decided a few things before turning into a game: a. Stealth or Action, b. Comedy or Serious, c.movie or game, d. what is important and what is not for most of the game it just didn't seem like it knew what it wanted to be. They give you 007 gadgets but doesn't provide much ease or ways of using them. The best thing about the game the handycam robot (forgot the name) for the view not for the lame weapon (even a dart would have been better) and the nano suit (although could have done very well without showing his ***crack).

7. No, the problem is I can't put it into a particular type or even types, not because its special or anything but because I don't think MGS4 even knows what it is it seems characterless yet the Media hyped it to God status. Again previous games don't matter if the one in question can hold its own.

Lastly I love a few Japanese movies but I certainly don't wanna play a Japanese Drama.


1. So then it's all about the gadgets? I think you have the wrong misconception of what stealth means, look it up in the dictionary.

2. So you admit are saying that just because it's not an user friendly game like the inferior splinter cell, it's not as responsive? Did it ever occur to you that not every game needs to be the same or play similar. In that case God of war is crap compared to Devil may cry and Ninja gaiden due to it not being as in depth.

3. So you like exposition? Not everyone likes this, and mostly people hate it. Next time friend, play the first 3, before passing judgement. Neither godfather 2 or 3 have "books" that need to be read, or videos like you say.

4. Then do not mention it in the first place.

5. God of War has a simplistic story line, and it's also a short game. How are you going to compare mgs4, to a game that obviously doesn't bother with the story (only disappointing part in god of war 3, was its story).

6. You do realize that it wants to blend? Not every game has to be it's single genre, just like a movie doesn't have to be Drama, it could be A Drama-Thriller, with parts of Mystery.

7. Are you aware that your not the only soul in this earth? Just because your not into intelligent, non liner, non action, non mindless button mashing games. Does not mean that MGS4 shouldn't be hyped to God status. You don't understand it, but many people do.

And lastly if your not into Japanese drama, then can you explain to me why you even bothered with the game. Did someone tell you that it was all action or something, which once again is my point of... you should have played the previous games before even dealing with MGS4. Your whole argument is really worthless... maybe except for the cut-scene thing, which in that case it only an opinion.

1. Read carefully before answering "when all the equipment and gadgets and levels are designed for stealth" didn't say it was all about gadgets. But tell me one thing why does he have a nano suit that can camaflouge to anything, if not for stealth? to look cool? another thing why does the game award you more points if you play stealthily rather than slam bam.

2. I don't know what you are talking about. but I didn't say it had to play like any other game I just said the controls could have been made more responsive also his movement parameters given in the game are quite awkward doesn't feel smooth. In which case is God Of War crap?? Control?? it had awesome fluid control what are you talking about.

3. Ok I don't think you are reading the whole sentences. I am not judging the whole series (hence I am gonna try out mgs3 suggested to me by a person here) what I said was that they could have put a little animated movie to catch you up to the story from the previous parts in MGS4 so that people like me who hasn't played the past parts can get head or tail of something. God father 2 and 3 both are videos and are sequels how the hell do you possibly connect god father and mgs?? and what are you talking about??? god father is a movie that can be watched in any dvd player or pc or whatever, mgs series ranges from ps1 I think to ps3. I don't think anyone would be consoles to play a single series.

5. God of War is a very story driven series, either you haven't played it or you didn't get it. And the story is simply amazing. Ok simply put God of war 3 $33million Day 1 Sales Metal gear Solid 4 day 1 sale is $1.3 million. See the difference? both are story driven, both were ending the series (in terms of Mgs4 the last of Snake), see which one people wanted to know the ending to more? 33 million compared to 1 million enough said. But its not about God Of War 3 vs MGS4 so I will not continue that conversation here.

6. As you said Drama, Thriller and parts of Mystery all these do go together. but if you try to make a action, thriller, drama and comedy it just turns weird.

7. lol MGS4 is intelligent? you can run straight through the game, very intelligent, there are no puzzles again very intelligent, point gun and shoot wow, buy ammo at will, amazing, the best game ever 10 10 10 10 lol NON LINEAR??????????? LOL hmm I think I have been debating invain, my apologies.

And lastly because it didn't say "MGS4 A JAPANESE MELO-DRAMA WITH CHEESE PUFF FRUITY ACTION" on the box hence I got it.

Nevermind friend, to whose his own.

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[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

[QUOTE="DJChuy"]

I love the series, but MGS4 was a huge disappointment, imo. It was the only MGS game I didn't enjoy. MGS4 didn't compel you to conserve ammo or search for weapons; you can buy ammo and weapons whenever you wanted, even during a boss fight. The boss fights weren't good aside from maybe one or two; they felt like bad copies of the other boss fights in the series. There wasn't much variety in the missions compared to other games. Another thing that bothered me was the cutscene to gameplay ratio. While the series is known for being cutscene-heavy, MGS4 took it to the next level; it was 9 hours of cutscenes versus 4-5 hours of gameplay, and it didn't help that the story wasn't any good, imo.

The story was poorly written, poorly paced, relied heavenly on plot devices, and never got its message across properly. Also, the characters were poorly developed especially the B&B Corps. You knew nothing about them prior to fighting them, and they didn't play a vital role in the story unlike Foxhound and Dead Cell. After defeating them, Drebin will call you, telling you their backstories through codec. It screamed lazy writing for me. I consider MGS1 & 3 to be the best in the series (solid story + gameplay). MGS2 had excellent gameplay, but the story was so-so.

DJChuy

completely agree about MGS4 don't know about the rest but someone has told me to try out MGS3 and I think I will.

If you are going to get MGS3, get the subsistence version; the camera is a whole lot better. The controls are going to be a big problem for you though. If you hated the controls in MGS4, you're mostly likely going to hate the ones in MGS3. But the gameplay is very fun, so you might put up with it.

Alright will give it a shot. thanks.

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I love the series, but MGS4 was a huge disappointment, imo. It was the only MGS game I didn't enjoy. MGS4 didn't compel you to conserve ammo or search for weapons; you can buy ammo and weapons whenever you wanted, even during a boss fight. The boss fights weren't good aside from maybe one or two; they felt like bad copies of the other boss fights in the series. There wasn't much variety in the missions compared to other games. Another thing that bothered me was the cutscene to gameplay ratio. While the series is known for being cutscene-heavy, MGS4 took it to the next level; it was 9 hours of cutscenes versus 4-5 hours of gameplay, and it didn't help that the story wasn't any good, imo.

The story was poorly written, poorly paced, relied heavenly on plot devices, and never got its message across properly. Also, the characters were poorly developed especially the B&B Corps. You knew nothing about them prior to fighting them, and they didn't play a vital role in the story unlike Foxhound and Dead Cell. After defeating them, Drebin will call you, telling you their backstories through codec. It screamed lazy writing for me. I consider MGS1 & 3 to be the best in the series (solid story + gameplay). MGS2 had excellent gameplay, but the story was so-so.

DJChuy

completely agree about MGS4 don't know about the rest but someone has told me to try out MGS3 and I think I will.

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  • It is a stealth game, but it's more of an action game. There is somewhat of a focus to it, but I wouldn't say it's a must have. You play the way you want, you can go all action, but it's best to hide at times.
  • How are the controls akward? Sure it doesn't play like most other games out there, It's not perfect, but they aren't bad ether.
  • What do you mean, read a book to play the game?
  • No trophies, has nothing to do with a games quality.
  • Basically, it's the 4th entry into the franchise. Did you honestly expect to know everything if you haven't played the first 3? It's like saying "well I watched the godfather 3, and it sucks because I didn't understand it" Of course you didn't, you didn't watch the first 2 movies.
  • Half of the game is cut-scenes, and? Not every game needs to be an action game.
  • To me it seems like your problem is simple: Your not into this type of game. Period. Does it mean the game doesn't deserve to be called "one of the greatest games of all time". No. You just aren't into this type of game, and I don't understand why you labeled critisim against the plot, knowing that you didn't play the previews games in the franchise.

PalmPixi

1. I have played hundreds of games if not a thousand and by no-way does MGS4 stand for more of an action game when all the equipment and gadgets and levels are designed for stealth. I have played almost untill the end and the stealth elements of the game are very poor considering the fact that its a stealth oriented game, like the level where you have to go through this town undetected I was enjoying it at first, reminded me of Theif, but it could have been done a lot better it had so much potential yet they just threw it in the disc with minimum effort you tell me wouldn't it be cool if he could go under the car and do enemy takedowns from there quietly? its just one I mentioned, they could have added a thousand more, but just 4 -5 would have been awesome.

Also the way he walks doesn't help the game, feels very comical and awkward yet tries to be serious and just doesn't go together for me. Its something like Terminator and Kindergarten mixed together in a Japanese guy's head, I have nothing against it but just not my taste, when I want a burger I have a burger not mix it with cake.

2. Controls are very stiff they are not as userfriendly as most other games comparatively Splinter Cell (close genre and available in console).

3. There was a whole ebook available at the time I got the game for people like me who hasn't played the first ones, in it, it had the story from the rest of the series. They could have just made a video like Dead Space 2 to catch you up to the story, and leaving out the details of some Japanese chick's bouncing melons.

4. Agree, but again I mentioned No Trophies because I was told by someone that this game is absolutely mind blowing and that he had gotten the platinum for it.

5. No I did't expect to know everything from the first three , but I did expect to be entertained by this story alone, so that it is intriguing enough that I will do some research and find out more about the characters and the previous games. It lacked a lot of intrigue, take for example God of War 3 people who didn't even know 1 and 2 wanted to play them after playing three cause it had intrigue and its not because its and action game but because its just an amazing experience.

6. I didn't say that it had to be an action game I said it should have decided a few things before turning into a game: a. Stealth or Action, b. Comedy or Serious, c.movie or game, d. what is important and what is not for most of the game it just didn't seem like it knew what it wanted to be. They give you 007 gadgets but doesn't provide much ease or ways of using them. The best thing about the game the handycam robot (forgot the name) for the view not for the lame weapon (even a dart would have been better) and the nano suit (although could have done very well without showing his ***crack).

7. No, the problem is I can't put it into a particular type or even types, not because its special or anything but because I don't think MGS4 even knows what it is it seems characterless yet the Media hyped it to God status. Again previous games don't matter if the one in question can hold its own.

Lastly I love a few Japanese movies but I certainly don't wanna play a Japanese Drama.

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When I think of MGS, I think of a good series that did what it needed to do. Unfortunately, most of the time, it felt like I was watching a movie, especially those long cutscenes. I'm sitting here, thinking "I'm supposed to be playing a videogame, not watch a f****** movie!" I never played through MGS4, but I've always heard it's the best one in the series. Either that or game critics always hype the games too much just because it has the name Metal Gear on it.

Metamania

"game critics always hype the games too much just because it has the name Metal Gear on it."exactly what i think man. I mean 10 for a game like this? really? God of War 1,2 and 3 were all better atleast to me by a long shot and even they didn't get a 10, also uncharted 1 + 2, Mafia 1, starcraft 2, modern warfare 1, red dead redemption and a lot more i think all these games deserved a 10 much much much more then mgs4 ever did. And on top of that it wasn't even voted the game of the year, yet the most highest rated, something is weird.

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[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]Am I the only one who doesn't like MGS 4? or the series?Black_Knight_00
No, there are still many more unsaved people

lol good one.

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add me as a freind 004050

How do ya add a friend here is it that "track me" thing on the profile?

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[QUOTE="dommeus"]

MGS4 was alright. The other games in the series were better though, with MGS3 being the pinnacle of the MGS series (on consoles at least).

HellsAngel2c

I agree whole heartedly.

Hmm then I think I will give it a try MGS3 it was on PS2 right?

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[QUOTE="megadeth1984"]

[QUOTE="004050"]it was an accident......or was it :)004050

I didn't find any old people to laugh at :( so lets add a twist to your question "What is the baddest (worst) thing you have ever done but don't regret doing it?"

watever

lol see how bad it is :)