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#1 halfnaked
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[QUOTE="halfnaked"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r88QkJZ2Dk8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asOdrj2-7kI

well i thought they were a hoot...

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hahahahaha, defintly worth it to linkify for u and others :P

thanks bro, i normally dont have a problem linking, but for some reason i could not get it to work...
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#2 halfnaked
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r88QkJZ2Dk8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asOdrj2-7kI

well i thought they were a hoot...

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#3 halfnaked
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For me, Pulp Fiction is wildly overratedxaos
yes, but still a great movie with memorable quotes and intelligent dialogue throughout
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#4 halfnaked
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Why do Christians seem to think that they have exclusive "ownership" of crucifixion imagery anyway? It's not as though Christ was the only person the Romans ever crucified.

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#5 halfnaked
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just sounds like you are not interested in the class... I would try and stay away from ADHD meds, especially amphetamines, because they tend to make things worst in the long run.
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#6 halfnaked
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="halfnaked"]once you get to the 99th day and no one leaves you realize that everybody sees at least 99 people with blue eyes. On days 1-98, person A would assume that person b would see at least 98 blue eyes ( he cannot see his own eyes and person A does not know the color of his eyes) Once the 99th day arrives person A realizes "holy crap i have blue eyes because know one has left yet!"GabuEx

Yeah... but on the 97th day you'd need to have person A assuming that person B assumes that person C would see 97 people with blue eyes, and that's where I think it doesn't work, because person A knows for certain that person C can see at least 98 people with blue eyes. Similarly for the 96th day and on down - no one in their right mind is going to assume that someone can see only 1 person with blue eyes on the first day.

Any takers on the above, or more specifically, why it would not necessitate people to assume that someone can see only 1 person with blue eyes on day 1 (or why that would not be a problem)? I'm honestly interested in this, as I can see where the logic is coming from, but I'm not yet convinced it's valid.

okay i understand your point now. When the guru spoke, it became known that at least one person had blue eyes. Person A could have had superior vision or color blindness, and was not sure if every other person saw other people with 99 blue eyes. With each day, the number of people with blue eyes increased by one(the amount of people you think the other personsees with blue eyes) The gurus statement made this knowledge mutual between the dragons.
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[QUOTE="diped"]On day 2 they know no one is going ot leave, because they see that there are more than that. In this case all the blue eyed people can see 99 blue eyed people. So they know that no one would ever leave until at least day 99. If they dont leave on day 99, every blue eyed person now knows that they have blue eyes, and leave on day 100GabuEx

But that's the thing; on every single day, everyone can see that there are 99 blue-eyed people. You don't have two people, then three people, and so on. I don't see why the people would suddenly come to a conclusion after 99 days when everyone already knew that there were 99 blue-eyed people the entire time.

once you get to the 99th day and no one leaves you realize that everybody sees at least 99 people with blue eyes. On days 1-98, person A would assume that person b would see at least 98 blue eyes ( he cannot see his own eyes and person A does not know the color of his eyes) Once the 99th day arrives person A realizes "holy crap i have blue eyes because know one has left yet!"
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#8 halfnaked
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]There are 201 people. One person has green eyes; the guru. 100 have brown eyes and every person with blue eyes counts 99 with blue eyes.. After 100 nights, the Guru has counted 100 blue eyes. Everyone with blue eyes would leave because if 101 people have non-blue eyes, and 99 people have blue eyes, that must mean they have blue eyes because 101(non blue eyes)+99(blue eyes)= 200, which would logically mean that THEY have blue yes. Everyone with blue eyes would realize this, and leave.diped

But that's the thing, the Guru isn't counting blue eyes. She just says once and only once (as the premise goes) that someone has blue eyes. If she was naming different people each day that had blue eyes, it would be totally different, but as the premise stands right now, it's in my opinion that the riddle doesn't work.

No one has the knowledge that there are only blue eyes and brown eyes(except the guru I suppose). They could have green , red, polka dot eyes for all that they know. The guru gives them the ability to sort for blue eyes.

But it was specified in the riddle that everyone can see everyone else. That means that the Guru knows there are 100 blue eyes and 100 brown eyes, that blue-eyed people know that there are 99 blue eyes, 100 brown eyes, and 1 green eye, and that brown-eyed people know that there are 100 blue eyes, 99 brown eyes, and 1 green eye. The only unknown for anyone is the color of their own eyes.

All that the Guru tells them is that there is someone with blue eyes. Everyone already knew that. This is a riddle that tries to make people employ a clever technique, but fails to give people proper justification to do so. I still believe that if people only strictly stick to the premise given in the first post, then this puzzle is unsolvable.

Its very solvable. If your a blue eyed person, you see 99 other blue eyed people. So you know that if you were any colour other than blue, the 99 blue eyed people would leave, but on the 100th day no on leaves, so you know you are blue eyed and must leave.

The # of brown eyed people don't really matter. So...

To make it simpler, use 2 blue eyed people. You have blue eyes(though you don't know yet), you see the other person has blue eyes. So you know that if the other person sees that you have brown eyes, the other person would leave on the 1st day. But on the 2nd day, you see that they did not leave on the 1st day, now you each know that you both have blue eyes, and must both leave the island on the 2nd day.

The same happens with 3 blue eyed people. You see 2 blue eyed people. You know that if you had brown/red/green/whatever eyes, they would both leave on the 2nd day. They did not leave, now you know taht you have blue eyes, and must leave on the 3rd day.

4 people: You see 3 blue eyed people, you know that if you had nonblue eyes, they would have left on the 3rd day, they do not. On the 4th day, you know that you have blue eyes, and must leave.

5 people: You see 4 blue eyed people, you know that if you had nonblue eyes, theyw ould leave on the 4th day, but they do not. On the 5th day you know that you have blue eyes, and must leave.

6 people: you see 5 blue eyed people, you know that if you had non blue eyes, they would leave on the 5th day, but they do not. On the 6th day you know that you hve blue eyes, and must leave.

etc...
etc...

100 people: You see 99 other blue eyed people. You know that if you had nonblue eyes, they would leave on the 99th day, they do not, you now know that you have blue eyes, and must leave the island on the 100th day.

this is the best explanation imo.
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#9 halfnaked
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this riddle is fail. the guru could be referring to the same blue eyed person every day. so when she has said she sees someone with blue eyes for the 100th time she could have been referring to the same person 100 times. this riddle is failNaiKoN9293
reread the riddle, she only speaks once
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#10 halfnaked
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]There are 201 people. One person has green eyes; the guru. 100 have brown eyes and every person with blue eyes counts 99 with blue eyes.. After 100 nights, the Guru has counted 100 blue eyes. Everyone with blue eyes would leave because if 101 people have non-blue eyes, and 99 people have blue eyes, that must mean they have blue eyes because 101(non blue eyes)+99(blue eyes)= 200, which would logically mean that THEY have blue yes. Everyone with blue eyes would realize this, and leave.GabuEx

But that's the thing, the Guru isn't counting blue eyes. She just says once and only once (as the premise goes) that someone has blue eyes. If she was naming different people each day that had blue eyes, it would be totally different, but as the premise stands right now, it's in my opinion that the riddle doesn't work.

No one has the knowledge that there are only blue eyes and brown eyes(except the guru I suppose). They could have green , red, polka dot eyes for all that they know. The guru gives them the ability to sort for blue eyes.

But it was specified in the riddle that everyone can see everyone else. That means that the Guru knows there are 100 blue eyes and 100 brown eyes, that blue-eyed people know that there are 99 blue eyes, 100 brown eyes, and 1 green eye, and that brown-eyed people know that there are 100 blue eyes, 99 brown eyes, and 1 green eye. The only unknown for anyone is the color of their own eyes.

All that the Guru tells them is that there is someone with blue eyes. Everyone already knew that. Everyone also already knew that everyone knew that. This is a riddle that tries to make people employ a clever technique, but fails to give people proper justification to do so. I still believe that if people only strictly stick to the premise given in the first post, then the Guru gives the people no new information whatsoever.

Read earlier posts about situations with a smaller amount of people. If the guru would have not said this statement then nobody would have ever left the island. Person 1 knows that every other blue-eyed person two can see at least 98 people with blue eyes. On the 100th day everybody starts deducing that if I non-blue eyes then everybody would have left, So every person uses the same deduction method and leaves on the 100th day, im not good at explaining things sorry :(