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#1 Eoten
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@kathaariancode said:

@eoten: You're the one deciding that 2014 is the year which we should start to look at what's going on in Ukraine because that's what your Russian propaganda tells you. And every time anyone points out that before 2014 Russia was already acting against Ukraine's autonomy you just play deaf.

Because, let's be honest here for a second, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Damn, you stated in this very same thread that Zelensky was in power since 2014 and he wasn't democratically elected, that's how clueless you are and how much of a puppet for Russian propaganda you are. Which is not surprising coming from a MAGA fanatic.

There's nothing new about the issues surrounding the Azov, it's well known. But thanks to Russian propaganda their importance is overblown. The Azov were around 2500 members at most and election results in Ukraine show no indication to any wide spread russophobia. If Russia wasn't funding separatist militias for sure they would have no significance.

But for some reason Russian elites not even acknowledging Ukraine's right to exist and regularly calling for the extermination of Ukrainians, and the Russian army actually destroying entire cities leaving mass graves behind, that's completely cool for you.

Keep ignoring that all territories of Ukraine voted for independence from Russia, keep pretending that Russia didn't sign an agreement guarantying they would respect the political and territorial integrity of Ukraine, keep pretending that since the early 00's they haven't been harassing Ukraine. Keep pretending that they don't have a similar story of genocide and mass deportations with other territories. Keep pretending that one shaddy militia is as bad as what Russia is doing because "something something Hunter's laptop". You MAGAs are a fucking cancer.

No, that's what history tells people not too dense to study it. The civil war in Ukraine isn't new. You wish to ignore problems with the country, causes, and the people involved because it doesn't fit into your grade school level narrative of "bad man went crazy." And before I said anything, you didn't even know who Azov was because your echo chamber media outlets never covered it. Gee, your media outlets get caught dishonestly covering events and you wonder why people do not trust them. It's almost as bad as when they ran a story trying to claim Russia bombed a civilian passenger train full of people, which it turns out never happened.

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Kind of comical how nobody wants to talk about Arizona despite the big events going on there right now in relation to this past election.

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@Maroxad said:

Thunderf00ts videos on Elon Musk have been hilarious as of late.

I dont think I have seen a company as mismanaged as Twitter since Musk took over. Not even Game Freak.

@appariti0n said:

Can you impersonate someone else without consequences?

People have been allowed to do that on Twitter if they are clearly labeled as PARODY accounts.

And they weren't.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Obviously. They currently have the RIGHT to vote.

I'll keep that stance in mind as there are some court cases that may land in front of SCOTUS soon related to people's rights being denied if they're 18-20 years old. So I agree with the premise, however, I apply it to ALL rights, as does the constitution.

Ah whataboutism. It's all you have, well that and mis/disinformation. Sums up your entire posting history here.

You need to learn some new words.

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@Vaasman said:
@appariti0n said:

So the first two are regarding people who tried to impersonate Elon, without clearly marking themselves as parody.

And the 3rd is hearsay/anecdotal from AOC. The same woman who cried in front of an empty parking lot for the camera, and pretended to be wearing invisible handcuffs. Also for the camera. She has about as much credibility as Marjorie Taylor Greene.

So unless you're making the assertion that impersonating someone without making it clear that you're parodying them is free speech, you've still shown zero evidence of what you claimed is happening.

In other words you admit Musk was banning criticism? That's still what's happening. Your excuse about parody impersonation doesn't change that. Folks were plenty free before Musk to make parody accounts without qualifiers before the takeover, and now they're not. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the increased amount of parody specifically at his expense. Surely not.

And AOC's isn't heresay, images of the page were provided.

Although y'know when you're delusionally in love with a billionaire, I'm sure it's not evidence enough. But I doubt it ever will be. In that regard we'll just have to wait for a new mod team to be sure, yes?

Of course, there won't be one because everyone will be on Mastadon by then.

Wtf? How is pointing out that none of the links you posted was Musk banning anyone for criticism, some kind of admission that he was banning them for criticism?

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

So you're trying to tell me setting an age limit above 18 is denying someone their rights?

Obviously. They currently have the RIGHT to vote.

I'll keep that stance in mind as there are some court cases that may land in front of SCOTUS soon related to people's rights being denied if they're 18-20 years old.

You do that, while everyone laughs at you for thinking the two things are alike or directly comparable. Also stay on topic it seems like you're already setting up another derail.

Rights are rights. What is applied to one can be applied to them all. Thinking otherwise is already a derailment on your end.

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@eoten: If they did indeed wanted to kill all Russian speaking people in Ukraine they would have a lot of people to kill, probably a lot of suicides too among their ranks.

I'm not pretending they're good, they are in line with the kind of militias Russia sent to Ukraine who were/are basically Nazis themselves.

Russia themselves admitted in the UN they couldn't prove that a genocide was going on in Ukraine so while I'm sure pretty terrible things happened there's a lot of fabulation from the Kremlin. But again, if Russia respected Ukrainian integrity and didn't destabilised the region for 20 years, Ukraine wouldn't need those militias. In the current state they are somewhat useful. And if you think that's bad just wait for the coming decades.

Russians see Ukraine as a state who has no right to exist outside the control of the Kremlin, just like Belarus. Any other pretext for what's going on is just pure propaganda. Be it Nazis, secret labs, satanism, gay parades, etc they come up with.

Medvedev himself stated this in 2009 (which is probably before 2014) and added years later the the Ukrainian-Russian conflict would last until they basically became Belarus. Because for him both the 2009 government and Zelensky's were "unnatural'.

So again, the ideal solution is for Russia to completely accept Ukraine exists as a fully independent nation.

You do understand there are two major ethnic groups in Ukraine, and no, they don't, nor have they ever really gotten along. One group is the people who identify as Ukrainian, the other identify as being ethnically Russian, although their families have lived there for generations. They live in the Eastern provinces including Donbas. It's not that dissimilar from the people in Canada who identify as French, and even speak a different language from the rest of Canadians. Now imagine of self-identified neo-Nazi groups were claiming they want to exterminate all French in Canada, so the french Canadians declared independence, and the Canadian military started shelling Quebec and granted those Neo Nazis position and authority within the military.

That is what has been happening in Ukraine LONG before Russia invaded. So stop acting surprised that the people in Donbas voted for independence. I know your media bubble hasn't told you any of this, but you've always had the resources to look it up yourself so there is no excuse to not know this. And Azov has already been called out by UN human rights organizations as well as Amnesty International for war crimes and human rights abuses against civilians in those regions, including rape, beatings, torture, and very likely executions.

And I hate to break it to you, but these human rights violations and war crime allegations by credible sources date back to 2014. This isn't some kind of response to the recent war with Russia.

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@eoten said:
@zaryia said:

This is stupid, you have to actually catch the poster defending Democrats for wanting to lower the voting age to 16 to say it's hypocrisy. Otherwise it is a whataboutism in an attempt to push the topic away from something that you dislike.

Is this real? This is like explaining stuff to a 11 year old.

By increasing the age to 21 you're disenfranchising people by now letting them vote anymore. It is currently 18 (some down to 16 depending on the election). 🤦‍♂️

Disenfranchised Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Who Can and Can’t Vote in U.S. Elections | USAGov

Anyone for this is JUST for this because it would make their party win more. Absolutely insane tribalism.

So you're trying to tell me setting an age limit above 18 is denying someone their rights?

Obviously. They currently have the RIGHT to vote.

I'll keep that stance in mind as there are some court cases that may land in front of SCOTUS soon related to people's rights being denied if they're 18-20 years old. So I agree with the premise, however, I apply it to ALL rights, as does the constitution.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

I'll stick with the real thing.

If corporations start manufacturing this and can get the process down to a point where they could sell it at the same price as real meat, while cutting back on their bottom-line to increase profits, it means less farms will be producing the real thing, and demand for the real thing will go up as supplies are cut. Basically, you may face a situation where you will no longer be able to afford the real thing, whether the fake stuff is a healthier alternative or not.

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@Maroxad said:
@eoten said:
@Maroxad said:

She doesnt have one, but that isn't even remotedly relevant to my argument.

The fact that those sentiments of raising the voting cap were trending is pretty alarming. Enough that it saw quite a bit of coverage. It is likely most republicans still want the voting age at 18. But that doesnt change the reaction we saw coming from the midterms results.

And while I am at it. Voter suppression is far worse than opening up the vote. I don't think 16 year olds should vote, but I would rather have the voting age be at 16, rather than 21. Voter disenfranchisement is a big no-no.

Really? Several democrats have expressed a desire to lower the voting age to 16. Gotta get kids when they're too stupid to know what they're voting for ya know? Since people learn better as they get older and vote for far left policies at a much lower rate.

Yes really.

Because as I said. Neither are good. But Voter Disenfranchisement is a big no-no.

If you are old enough to serve, you are old enough to vote. Hence 18 being good.

But the fact that you are trying to deflect my point, rather than the blatant anti-democratic position of several prominent influencers on the right tells even you agree that raising it to 21 and violating the US constitution is a bad idea. Since instead of trying to defend it, you immediately tried to deflect it.

Your whataboutism failed again.

At least SargentD's defense is perfectly reasonable. But my point ultimately is that I hope Republicans do NOT listen to these people. Not that it is a mainstream position in the GOP.

Screaming "whataboutism" when someone else calls out hypocrisy doesn't work.

This is stupid, you have to actually catch the poster defending Democrats for wanting to lower the voting age to 16 to say it's hypocrisy. Otherwise it is a whataboutism in an attempt to push the topic away from something that you dislike.

@eoten said:

Also, why can't the right to vote have a higher age put on it? How is raising it to 21 disenfranchising people? And what are they being disenfranchised from?

Is this real? This is like explaining stuff to a 11 year old.

By increasing the age to 21 you're disenfranchising people by now letting them vote anymore. It is currently 18 (some down to 16 depending on the election). 🤦‍♂️

Disenfranchised Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Who Can and Can’t Vote in U.S. Elections | USAGov

Anyone for this is JUST for this because it would make their party win more. Absolutely insane tribalism.

So you're trying to tell me setting an age limit above 18 is denying someone their rights?