I played uncharted 4 on youtube

yeah but there's way more out there than just fps, I stopped like playign fps games back in 2011 with black ops 1, I did play paladins (overwatch clone) a couple years back for a couple of weeks but even that is not as brutal as a standard fps game.

and the other games I play mostly (world of tanks, world of warships, magic , fight night champion) are nowhere near the focus you need in a shooter.

I also play fifa ultimate team though, and while that is defenitely intense, I get a lot of matches where I can rely on the tactics I did in management.

not all competive multiplayers are sweaty so to speak, as that you have to play like your life depends on it.

Some games are quite tactical, like when I play fight night champion, some of these matches can take a halfhour and it really isn't all about reflexes, it can be a bit of chess game, but with more action.

A game like world of warships or magic is even more laid back.

Whenever I'm on this forum I never really see any posts about skills, as in skills in game. It's mostly about presentation and storytelling. Never how good a game deals with multiplayer competition.

and I wouldn't really call it that mainstream either, I mean to be skillfull in highly competetive games, it requires some commitment.

I mean I'm 43 years old and I'm still competing at a pretty high level, of course it needs to be a game that caters my strengths, and at my age that isn't reflexes, so in a standard shooter like cod I'm not that good at anymore.

I wonder is it because you don't know about these games or is because most of you are playstationofied.

Well with gta online, at certain points in time they even beat fifa , even if you count micro transactions. It already sold 145 million copies as well, it's way up there and probably only beat by tetris.

as for the cows, it's only normal we get such a fanbase, the ps4 is the most popular console by far, during the x360 era there was way more competition, even from the wii, and before that nintendo was still a household name for consoles that supported multiplats as well.

A lot of people may have gotten a playstation now, they may have aquired a taste for those moviegames. It's also the reason why I think xbox didn't have such a good e3, a good E3 yes from a cows point of view, that's why you get the damage control.

But from a lem point of view like myself, yeah forza looks great, but xbox is more of a brogamer station, with more emphasis on multiplayer games, this while this e3 was more single player oriented.

that's also why I think this is a very good comment, system wars has always a been a bit out of touch, I mean you get hardcore gamers here mostly, so you will get a lot of support here for things that aren't mainstream, which is a good thing for the gamer that wants something more.

and in the past you certainly had that will from the devs, since those 'alternative' games so to speak sometimes turn up to be big hits.

But with every gen passing that is less and less the case. We are now at call of duty number 17, and get ready for the truckload of remasters with rtx support this gen.

because that's what you said, and you also gave me that impression in our discussion about E3.

I now have a pc with a gtx 1070 and still an original xboxone. I don't have a playstation, I might get a ps5 if the psvr 2 is something.

AT the moment I'm just waiting for the gpu prices to drop to get a better gpu for skyrim vr. I might get a series x if my old x1 breaks down or doesn't run the games I want anymore

you really are oblivious to the fact that most people that play consoles, don't feel like playing on a pc, and it's more than people using their pc for work.

console is one platform where everything is interconnected and competely controller operated

A pc is so many different platforms, mouse operated, and interconnection is either not available or not as user friendly.

The legacy is not what if, even with the current numbers it was able to push sony off the throne for a long time and came in close second at the end because of change of management. That's not a small feat if you consider the success of the ps1 and ps2.

The most succesfull formula for games at this time is the progression system, you can see it in all the big multiplayer games, fifa, cod, battlefield and it is successfull.

Wargaming has been using this progression system from the beginning. In 2013 they had 60 million players withworld of tanks, that is before the xboxone and ps4 release. It is one of the most successfull games of last gen.

multiplayer rpg's have become increasingly more succesfull because of the same reason, look at the souls series.

The xbox success comes from teh x360, and it was successfull because of the social platform, multiplayer isn't playstation's core business, if you look at all their exclusives, many of them are single player, it is their turf, so that's why I'm frustrated xbox tries to beat them at their own game.

I have not grown to love the xbox system because of the single player games, it was because of the multiplayer games and the social platform with the party chat it was on.

It is not such big endavour to look at other multiplayer genres and try to implement the progression system into this, and the first to look at would be defenitely the fighting games and the card games. But anything is up for grabs in this regard, there are many multiplayer genres out there that have not been adapted to this formula.

and yeah obviously sony already won the gen with the ps4, that's a lost cause, the ps5 is already out. For me it's also not about winning at this time, I would just want more content that caters the fans, I doubt many fans are as happy with the E3 show as many try to portray it here, me and my xbox friends surely aren't.

things being cheaper isn't much of a speculation, if you got two shops in the city and one is cheaper than the other for the same product, word will get around.

It's only because some of you people live here in some sort bubble , where real world things like money don't matter, that you don't know about it.