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#1 borgmaster
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PC gamers are the biggest whinners and moaners i have ever come across. Just my 2 cents.

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[QUOTE="Blixxed"]So 360 gets a $60 expansion and PS3 has the $40 demo. The world seems even to me.IronBass
What has GT5P to do with this thread?

it too was overpriced, which I'm inferring is his way of telling cows to stfu.
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#3 borgmaster
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here's what it looks like:

That kid got beat up because he was one of those quiet, anti-social types. BUT if that kid was black instead of white it wouldn't have gone down that badly.

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[QUOTE="borgmaster"][QUOTE="Unassigned"] Still don't see any racist connotations in that, just purely symbolic.

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yes, it is symbolic, but the symbolism itself is racist.

Really? So this guy ins't trying to equate Obama to some tribal savage? If its not racial then what is the message? A quote from a different Tea party guy was priceless. "Im tired of Obama forming his own secret government. He is surrounding himself with people of his own kind. The communist, the marxist, the self proclaimed". WTF, does that dude think before he talks? And who are the "self proclaimed"?

wait, I was saying he was...

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[QUOTE="borgmaster"][QUOTE="Unassigned"] No I don't see your point, not at all. Since when has african attire been associated with savages? In fact afrocentric attire was quite the "in thing" back in the 70's when most would agree racism was prevalent.

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It isn't "African attire", it's "African tribal garb" two separate things. one is a fashion thing and the other is reminiscent of "the white man's burden" excuse used for european imperialism in africa during the late 1800's.

Still don't see any racist connotations in that, just purely symbolic.

yes, it is symbolic, but the symbolism itself is racist.
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[QUOTE="borgmaster"]

The thing with 9/11 is, it wasn't that 2,993 people died, it was the way they did it.

for a moment, think about it. Giant cans full of everyday people and jet fuel were thrown into two of the tallest buildings in the US and the center of America's military at around 200 (or whatever it was) mph. Hundreds of the people that died were stuck above where the planes hit the two skyscrapers and were hopelessly screwed. emergency service personal who tried to go and get those people were killed when the two 110-story buildings collapsed onto the center of the financial capitol of the largest western country. It wasn't like Pearl Harbor where it was a nation-state attacking the military of another nation-state, this was seemingly a personal attack on every single american.

The thing with America is that it is angry and spiteful, we won't "get over it" until there is a long trail of dead-bodies and a few oppled governments. The reason why you might might be wanting to sweep it under the rug of history is because of the reaction to it was exploitive and corrupt. But don't undermine the significance of a generation defining event becasue of the actions of a lame-duck administration the was in over it's head.

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Still don't think that adds anything to the argument that 9/11 is more significant that other tragedies. Look at Russia's conflicts with its former Soviet states, innocent civilians die because of Russian imperialism which they had nothing to do with. Look at African nations that are in constant conflict, farmers, fishermen, and everyday workers die because of the pursuit of capitalist wealth by greedy and amoral individuals. Look at Middle Eastern conflicts, centuries-old fueds being played out across conflict zones with first world intervention only exacerbating things. All around the world average people are dying because of conflicts they have little to nothing to do with, because they just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and somehow I'm supposed to feel more sympathetic towards 9/11 victims because they lived in a country that was privelged enough not to have that constant threat surrounding them? Not gonna happen. And again, what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Two non-military targets killing over 200,000 civilians in heavily populated metropolitan areas withoutany warning other than a vague threat during wartime. Those people were just going about their daily lives as well, and all of the sudden two major cities are wiped off the map. I'm not here to discuss the rights or wrongs of the bombings, but I just don't see how teh same people who argue that 9/11 is especially tragic could be so in favor of nuclear strikes against civilian populations as a necessity.

wait, I see the misunderstanding here. I'm saying that it is significant to America, the rest of the world doesn't have to give a ****. But Americans ought to have recognition for it because it will frame their lives in some way or another for the foreseeable future.
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[QUOTE="borgmaster"][QUOTE="Unassigned"] Nice try but I fail to see the racism connection, just a cultural connection. Then again I'm not easy to race bait.

Unassigned

That sign was purporting an antiquated stereotype that had said "african tribal garb" stand for savagery and overall inferiority. The fact that the head of the president of the united states, who also happens to have Kenyan ancestry, was put onto this is racist in it's purist definition. It was saying that Obama shouldn't be running the country because he is an african savage. Do you see my point now?

No I don't see your point, not at all. Since when has african attire been associated with savages? In fact afrocentric attire was quite the "in thing" back in the 70's when most would agree racism was prevalent.

It isn't "African attire", it's "African tribal garb" two separate things. one is a fashion thing and the other is reminiscent of "the white man's burden" excuse used for european imperialism in africa during the late 1800's.
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[QUOTE="borgmaster"]

[QUOTE="Unassigned"] The same message the war protesters sent when they used Bush's head with devils horns and cowboy hat on posters. The hat was a descriptive symbol because he's from Texas just as the african tribal garb was in the poster you saw since Obama's stated Kenya is his second home.

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Bush ran for office as a Reagen-esque "cowboy president" and comparing people to Satan is a time honored tradition in the western world.

Saying that the "african tribal garb" is appropriate because he has Kenyan heritage is, well...really? what the **** is wrong with you? they are calling him a racist 19th century stereotype because he is half-african. And then going and comparing it to communism makes no sense whatsoever.

Nice try but I fail to see the racism connection, just a cultural connection. Then again I'm not easy to race bait.

That sign was purporting an antiquated stereotype that had said "african tribal garb" stand for savagery and overall inferiority. The fact that the head of the president of the united states, who also happens to have Kenyan ancestry, was put onto this is racist in it's purist definition. It was saying that Obama shouldn't be running the country because he is an african savage. Do you see my point now?
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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]

[QUOTE="munu9"] As in, some people who hate obama in that crowd might simply be racists trying to justify that racism through fear of obama socialism/communism...Unassigned

Like the guy I saw on the news holding an anti communism sign with a picture of Obamas head on a tribal Africans body. What message is that supposed to send?

The same message the war protesters sent when they used Bush's head with devils horns and cowboy hat on posters. The hat was a descriptive symbol because he's from Texas just as the african tribal garb was in the poster you saw since Obama's stated Kenya is his second home.

Bush ran for office as a Reagen-esque "cowboy president" and comparing people to Satan is a time honored tradition in the western world.

Saying that the "african tribal garb" is appropriate because he has Kenyan heritage is, well...really? what the **** is wrong with you? they are calling him a racist 19th century stereotype because he is half-african. And then going and comparing it to communism makes no sense whatsoever.

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The thing with 9/11 is, it wasn't that 2,993 people died, it was the way they did it.

for a moment, think about it. Giant cans full of everyday people and jet fuel were thrown into two of the tallest buildings in the US and the center of America's military at around 200 (or whatever it was) mph. Hundreds of the people that died were stuck above where the planes hit the two skyscrapers and were hopelessly screwed. emergency service personal who tried to go and get those people were killed when the two 110-story buildings collapsed onto the center of the financial capitol of the largest western country. It wasn't like Pearl Harbor where it was a nation-state attacking the military of another nation-state, this was seemingly a personal attack on every single american.

The thing with America is that it is angry and spiteful, we won't "get over it" until there is a long trail of dead-bodies and a few oppled governments. The reason why you might might be wanting to sweep it under the rug of history is because of the reaction to it was exploitive and corrupt. But don't undermine the significance of a generation defining event becasue of the actions of a lame-duck administration the was in over it's head.