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@daniel_su123 said:
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Original Content is more easily solvable, especially with Microsoft's cash reserves than say getting the Cloud infrastructure going. If Sony were to compete they would need to dramatically improve their infrastructure to get a foothold. Likely invest tens of billions into it. Something Sony doesn't have.

Pretty funny how you think that Sony, one of the few companies with an actual cloud gaming service deployed and probably some of the most experience in cloud gaming, is completely unable to compete. Shouldn't you at least wait for MS to release at least their first tentative step in this direction with Crackdown 3? Sure that's just running part of the game on the cloud, but it's quite a step beyond the standard server hosting they've done thus far.

Like I say, you're talking about the product, I'm talking about it getting it working well. Sony can have a product released, but the product will always be crap if there is no data centres near the area and that's exactly what happened. PS Now was and still is a bad product and Nvidia had to use move their servers to urban areas to get it working well.

LOL. Have you tried PS Now? Granted, it's not nearly as good as local, but it's not "crap". But go ahead, let's see the map of severs that Sony has that you're using to know they don't have enough or have in the right places.

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@daniel_su123 said:
@needhealing said:

The winner of that battle is who can supply superior original content. M$ can't do that at all. If Anything Sony is will be the Netflix of gaming, Nintendo Hulu and M$... maybe... Amazon Prime Video?

Original Content is more easily solvable, especially with Microsoft's cash reserves than say getting the Cloud infrastructure going. If Sony were to compete they would need to dramatically improve their infrastructure to get a foothold. Likely invest tens of billions into it. Something Sony doesn't have.

Pretty funny how you think that Sony, one of the few companies with an actual cloud gaming service deployed and probably some of the most experience in cloud gaming, is completely unable to compete. Shouldn't you at least wait for MS to release at least their first tentative step in this direction with Crackdown 3? Sure that's just running part of the game on the cloud, but it's quite a step beyond the standard server hosting they've done thus far.

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you're telling me every site dat you find that discusses this has people who comment the same thing and they are all fanboys, and this while you have official data that mentions the same thing?

that would be too much of coincidence.

Not to mention I have experienced it first hand here myself, my cousin as well. Maybe it's just in europe or places with a lot of population density, either way, it's not the same quality of xboxlive.

Except, as you've shown, there is no official data that shows this. All you have are anonymous posts by people that we have no idea of their setup or even if they actually have the systems to compare, only unsubstantiated claims.

yeah right there are numerous articles on the internet that discuss this problem.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/20/16174374/playstation-4-download-speed-sucks

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/gaming/703379/PS4-download-speed-how-to-fix-slow-connection-Sony-Playstation-4

you might want to stay away from the comments on the first article or you'll start seeing conspiracies everywhere.

It's not that I see conspiracies, it's that I don't lend credence to anonymous internet posts with no details or references. That second link isn't very helpful, with their solution being too buy faster internet service or switch to a wired connection.

That first link is very interesting, though. I went to the original posting and it seems the test was very well done. It would be nice if I could find corroboration or if he had done the same test with an Xbox One, but it definitely suggests there is an issue, albeit with the system and not the network, though the end result is the same. Unfortunately, my internet isn't fast enough to test for myself. Have you tried sending your PS4 link through a proxy on your PC?

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@commander said:
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they also mention things that happen now, you cannot just deny that.

and i'm sure they are all fanboys lol

this is from a dutch site that is very well know around here

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.xgn.nl%2Fplaystation-plus-of-xbox-live-gold%2Fall&edit-text=&act=url

you'll find links like that in other european languages. Like I said , this isn't exactly a secret, no matter if some users have good downloads speeds, there are simply a lot more users on xbox that have good download speeds.

Really? Let's look at what they have to say. Google translate isn't the most elegant translator, but...

"the current PlayStation Plus works just fine.The servers are doing well, you are (almost) not popped out of multiplayer games while playing and also party chats are doing it. Very occasionally there is still a maintenance update, so you temporarily can not go online. Only this is usually short-lived and is not common."

"Whether it is PlayStation Plus or Xbox Live Gold, there are now minimal problems with the servers."

Another comparison and another result saying they are similar. Have you forgotten that you are trying to support the argument that PSN is a joke or that it suffers horrible download speeds in comparison to Xbox Live?

nice try but you need to look at the comments. don't tell me you quoted that the minute I posted that, since I edited that message the minute after.

Evidently I did, since I try to avoid deleting partial quotes and just clear whole blocks to keep the chain shorter.

But comments? How is this any different than the fanboy posts on this board? Particularly since most are completely anonymous "Guest" posts that don't even have an account registered. None of that is evidence. In fact, you've provided more evidence that you are wrong than you have that you are right.

you're telling me every site dat you find that discusses this has people who comment the same thing and they are all fanboys, and this while you have official data that mentions the same thing?

that would be too much of coincidence.

Not to mention I have experienced it first hand here myself, my cousin as well. Maybe it's just in europe or places with a lot of population density, either way, it's not the same quality of xboxlive.

Except, as you've shown, there is no official data that shows this. All you have are anonymous posts by people that we have no idea of their setup or even if they actually have the systems to compare, only unsubstantiated claims.

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So what's the over/under of how many months it will take Switch to pass the PS4 in total sales for Japan?

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@commander said:
@asylumni said:
@commander said:

they also mention things that happen now, you cannot just deny that.

and i'm sure they are all fanboys lol

this is from a dutch site that is very well know around here

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.xgn.nl%2Fplaystation-plus-of-xbox-live-gold%2Fall&edit-text=&act=url

you'll find links like that in other european languages. Like I said , this isn't exactly a secret, no matter if some users have good downloads speeds, there are simply a lot more users on xbox that have good download speeds.

Really? Let's look at what they have to say. Google translate isn't the most elegant translator, but...

"the current PlayStation Plus works just fine.The servers are doing well, you are (almost) not popped out of multiplayer games while playing and also party chats are doing it. Very occasionally there is still a maintenance update, so you temporarily can not go online. Only this is usually short-lived and is not common."

"Whether it is PlayStation Plus or Xbox Live Gold, there are now minimal problems with the servers."

Another comparison and another result saying they are similar. Have you forgotten that you are trying to support the argument that PSN is a joke or that it suffers horrible download speeds in comparison to Xbox Live?

nice try but you need to look at the comments. don't tell me you quoted that the minute I posted that, since I edited that message the minute after.

Evidently I did, since I try to avoid deleting partial quotes and just clear whole blocks to keep the chain shorter.

But comments? How is this any different than the fanboy posts on this board? Particularly since most are completely anonymous "Guest" posts that don't even have an account registered. None of that is evidence. In fact, you've provided more evidence that you are wrong than you have that you are right.

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you should read the first one more thoroughly, when they say toe to toe they're talking about features, not about quality of service.

when they say strenghts and weakness they are (partially) referring to the feature difference that's behind a paywall. For instance, I can join parties while not having playstation plus, that's not possible on xbox live. I can also play certain multiplayer games on psn without paying, like world of tanks, on xboxlive that is not the case.

They are also referring to the trophy system on playstation, which is considered better than the achievement system on xboxlive.

The second article is from 2017 and is apparently not up to date, I haven't seen they were comparing psn and xboxlive on the last gen systems (which is kinda odd for an article from 2017). You'll still find other articles saying xboxlive is better than psn when it comes to quality of service, it will be much harder to find the other way around.

reddit is not the same as this forum, of course you will have fans there too, but it's not something like system wars. Even if you consider it just another forum like this one, it's not the only where you will find the same conclusions, this while the playstation player base is much bigger.

And when they talk QOS, they still talk about the things that happened in 2011. That's comparing what they were, not what they are. Even still, they don't support your allegation that "PSN is a joke compared to Xbox Live" or that the download speeds are much slower.

Yep reddit is just another forum. Even still, most said there's no significant difference, and the few that made that unsubstantiated claim that there is were clearly fanboys and got downvoted and comments hidden.

Either way, nothing you've shown actually supports your claim.

they also mention things that happen now, you cannot just deny that.

and i'm sure they are all fanboys lol

this is from a dutch site that is very well know around here

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.xgn.nl%2Fplaystation-plus-of-xbox-live-gold%2Fall&edit-text=&act=url

you'll find links like that in other european languages. Like I said , this isn't exactly a secret, no matter if some users have good downloads speeds, there are simply a lot more users on xbox that have good download speeds.

Really? Let's look at what they have to say. Google translate isn't the most elegant translator, but...

"the current PlayStation Plus works just fine.The servers are doing well, you are (almost) not popped out of multiplayer games while playing and also party chats are doing it. Very occasionally there is still a maintenance update, so you temporarily can not go online. Only this is usually short-lived and is not common."

"Whether it is PlayStation Plus or Xbox Live Gold, there are now minimal problems with the servers."

Another comparison and another result saying they are similar. Have you forgotten that you are trying to support the argument that PSN is a joke or that it suffers horrible download speeds in comparison to Xbox Live?

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@commander said:
@asylumni said:
@commander said:

you can look anywhere you want, people all agree on the same, I'm sure system wars will disagree, it's after all system wars but you can't deny the sunlight

https://gadgetrating.com/steam-vs-xbox-live-vs-psn/

https://hddmag.com/playstation-network-vs-xbox-live/

even reddit says it

https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/8r6wo7/why_does_everybody_say_xbox_live_is_better_than/

You really should read the sources you provide as evidence. The first has PSN and Xbox Live trading blows, says PSN can go toe to toe and concludes, "All of these services have their strengths and weaknesses, but out of em all who’s the best is kinda subjective".

The second mentions, "Playstation network’s best asset is its price or lack thereof. Playstation network, as of now, is free to use and has been from the beginning" and also talks of Xbox Live coins. Clearly not up to date.

Reddit is just another forum that anyone can contribute and holds no more weight, inherently, than a post here.

you should read the first one more thoroughly, when they say toe to toe they're talking about features, not about quality of service.

when they say strenghts and weakness they are (partially) referring to the feature difference that's behind a paywall. For instance, I can join parties while not having playstation plus, that's not possible on xbox live. I can also play certain multiplayer games on psn without paying, like world of tanks, on xboxlive that is not the case.

They are also referring to the trophy system on playstation, which is considered better than the achievement system on xboxlive.

The second article is from 2017 and is apparently not up to date, I haven't seen they were comparing psn and xboxlive on the last gen systems (which is kinda odd for an article from 2017). You'll still find other articles saying xboxlive is better than psn when it comes to quality of service, it will be much harder to find the other way around.

reddit is not the same as this forum, of course you will have fans there too, but it's not something like system wars. Even if you consider it just another forum like this one, it's not the only where you will find the same conclusions, this while the playstation player base is much bigger.

And when they talk QOS, they still talk about the things that happened in 2011. That's comparing what they were, not what they are. Even still, they don't support your allegation that "PSN is a joke compared to Xbox Live" or that the download speeds are much slower.

Yep reddit is just another forum. Even still, most said there's no significant difference, and the few that made that unsubstantiated claim that there is were clearly fanboys and got downvoted and comments hidden.

Either way, nothing you've shown actually supports your claim.

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I don't get it. It does suck. It sucked when I payed for Xbox Live and it sucks now that I pay for PSN. A negative thing on another platform doesn't change that, but it is what it is.

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@commander said:
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@commander: everyone knows you're lying.

The fool must have a dial up connection lol.

The guy need to provide pics of both his PS4 and Xbone with proof of them them hooked to the same connection and getting the 12hr vs 2hr results he claimed or be locked and suspended for slander.

There are people in the thread who have provided proof of their connection using the very game he mentioned and no one gets even half of his claimed result, yet he the TC who's making this claim REFUSES to provide any proof from his side.

Again I wonder if this was someone trolling a different system making wild claims with no evidence if this would be allowed to remain open?

so I guess the reasearch done on the two networks has to be suspended for slander as well? Guess what it is still up and running

https://www.polygon.com/2016/9/8/12851918/xbox-live-vs-playstation-network-which-is-faster

Type in google xboxlive vs psn and you will find everywhere the same answer, xboxlive is better.

mods know I'm not lying, this isn't exactly a secret, the fact that some users have good downloads speed doesn't change the fact that worldwide psn is less performant and less stable than xboxlive, and that will certainly be more the case in highly populated areas like western europe where I live.

What does it matter if I provide pictures or video of the dl speeds i'm getting there will always be room for fraud, and that will be debated as well, so it's pointless.

Really? That lame study again? They compare PSN login speed using 2 stop authentication to Xbox Live using single step. They also rely on subjective impressions of speed and quality. But most important for the discussion being had here, don't compare download speeds.

you can look anywhere you want, people all agree on the same, I'm sure system wars will disagree, it's after all system wars but you can't deny the sunlight

https://gadgetrating.com/steam-vs-xbox-live-vs-psn/

https://hddmag.com/playstation-network-vs-xbox-live/

even reddit says it

https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/8r6wo7/why_does_everybody_say_xbox_live_is_better_than/

You really should read the sources you provide as evidence. The first has PSN and Xbox Live trading blows, says PSN can go toe to toe and concludes, "All of these services have their strengths and weaknesses, but out of em all who’s the best is kinda subjective".

The second mentions, "Playstation network’s best asset is its price or lack thereof. Playstation network, as of now, is free to use and has been from the beginning" and also talks of Xbox Live coins. Clearly not up to date.

Reddit is just another forum that anyone can contribute and holds no more weight, inherently, than a post here.