"Frankly, I don't see how someone who reads literature regularly could say the plot and writing from a game like Tales of Vesperia isn't childish." What defines Childish? I am curious what that defines that in your opinion? I am keeping this short, as again I am tired of the long posts due to Gamespots rather poor commenting system. You never addressed that either, my point on the Comment system.
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@IceJester By the way never said I was being kind by the way. You missed the point of my arguments. I never said Japan is not guilty of it, I am simply saying Western games have the same flaws, it is just people such as your self, and the gaming media ignore them. I think you are being way too kind to Western games, because your clearly making excuses for games like Crysis 2. I have nothing personal against you, but you have clearly proven my point of bias. Let me be frank here, the bias is not a loud we hate japanese game. It is a subtle more, dubious jab such as double standards and completely ignoring games. I am well aware Japanese games have flaws, but are you aware that Western games do as well? Crysis 2 proved my point, and you make subtle excuses for it. Oh by the way I have a link to an interview with Crytek saying COD was an influence....I think it disproves your point? By the way I am getting tired of all these wall texts, I am to blame as well....so I say we can carry this over in Pms, or you can listen to my podcast(Shameless plug) and hear my partner on there who is basically on your side of things and hear us go at it.
@IceJester45 Well considering I wrote alot, and what not, you made a critical error in your argument. It seems we will be getting no where, because clearly we feel the other is completely wrong however...this is what I want to comment on. "What's sad is that the games you menionted are some of the better, more original ones, and, with the exception of Demon's Souls and possibly SMT to an extent, they still feel cookie-cutter. By "teenage-style melodrama," I meant that the games tend to feature overly dramatic, emotional plotlines delivered through heavy-handed writing. The plots and writing lack nuance and focus on action and convoluted interpersonal relationships that go nowhere and teach the player nothing." Now I am very curious if you actually played any of these games. That is evidence there because you have not. If we are talking about pure emotion there, you are completely wrong....The shooters donot feature any of emotion at all. There is nothing to get me to care about the conflict at all. Where as in the JRPG, the so called heavy writing and so called convoluted inter personal conflicts, are more attatching than some generic cookie cutter marine spewing **** all the time. Simple as that.
@IceJester45 Sure you can use those examples that some US games are forgotten, but, when do you say a Japanese game the front story, or the cover story to say something game informer. Also the fact that websites such as this are always bringing up stories about the trouble Japan's game industry is in. Which while they do have problems I find they are not. I would take a modern JRPG. And yes you will see that all over the place. The gaming world is not just exclusive to this site. As for your example of shooters, sure a few are slightly different and are not military, however the problem with those games are they follow the COD trend. COD has more of an influence than you think. Resistance 3 I felt was not as unique as 1 or 2, again the CoD influence. And if you look at interviews with the Crysis team, they will state the influence CoD. Crysis was unique where as Crysis 2 was not. They are guilty of fads, but let us be fair western developers kill them far worse than Japanese. Remember Guitar Hero? My point is that the Western game is as flawed as the Japanese. I think you give way too much credit to Western games.
@IceJester45 Actually it is hear say. Getting other's opinions can distort your actual views on something even when you never actually play it. So it is not your opinion, but it is theirs that you are using in their argument. That is why it is flawed because it is distorted. Really Teenage melodrama? Similiar settings? Again no offense but I sense you are unfamiliar with those games I mentioned. SMT games are set in Modern Japan or in certain parts of Japanese history. While Star Ocean is a science Fiction setting, Tales games do have a fantasy world setting, but as you know with Final Fantasy they all change setting from fantasy to sci fi. I hardly call that similiar. As for the Teenage melodrama, some do, some donot. SMT games for example, perhaps Persona has teen age melodrama to some degree but surely not Digital Devil Saga, or Nocturne. Here we do agree about Shooters, but I find more individualism in a JRPG than in a shooter. Most JRPGs I feel are different from each other as I have explained. The fact of the matter is that they do have invidualism where as the shooters feel, well manufactured.
@IceJester45 Actually I do believe shooters are in need of a change. They are all modeled even none military shooters, around events. What about adding some corridor shooters? Or even shooters in the vain of Half life that mix both corridor and event? You donot see that much. Most are all FPS/Rail Shooter hybrids....because of the call of Duty Formula. Thankfully we have rare stuff like Deus Ex Human Revolution and games like that. Crysis is an example of this. The first Crysis was this wonderful open ended shooter. You could approach situations the way you want, however Crysis 2 became a scripted event based rail shooter like game...much like every other shooters. Why? Crysis came out around the time of CoD4, where as 2 came out post CoD 4. The influence is there...
@IceJester45 And that is where your argument is flawed. You are going by hear say. If you should use that as evidence towards your arguments, you should actually play them. I have played every single COD, and hence why I will not be picking up this year. Tweaks are not enough to make a game new from the other. Tweaks are balance fixes and things like that. MW3 added only a horde like mode which is not new(It was not even new in Gears of War 2, Ghost Recon was doing this before that game ever did) and that was about it. THere were a few different perk trees, but that in itself was flawed, and the perks were still over powered and unbalance. And sure shooters were stagnant. Remember the whole burn out from World War II shooters? That is the problem with Western games, they burn trends to death. Explain how stagnant the JRPG is? I like you man, but I donot think you really explore the genre. I would say with a variety of games such as Tales, Final Fantasy, SMT, Star Ocean, and the Souls Series, make the titles different from one to the other. Each of these games vary in terms of setting and gameplay. Radiant Historia was much more fresh than any Call of Duty. Sure the game got good reviews but was quickly dismissed and forgotten by the press. And than you have articles such as this and the Johnathon blow article that continously praise the equally flawed Western game market.
@IceJester45 This is where we disagree. Yes there are minor tweaks, but the problem with Call of Duty again is not its quality, it is it's repetitious nature. Sure it may have some minor tweaks, but I never see anything really different to make it stand out from the other games. It is the same thing over and over. Which goes to your response where you say Japanese games are the same thing over. Yes the same is true about military shooters and Call of Duty specifically. Again I will state that if you dock a Japanese game for doing the same thing over and over than you should dock Call of Duty. There are tweaks, but not enough to justify a new game ever year. I was once a big fan of Modern warfare, it was a very visceral game, but Activision has since killed that series for me, by making it the same thing. There is no invention, nothing to keep it different. I donot want something innovative per se, but I want something different. I can say the same about Pokemon, but again, if Pokemon gets docked so should Call of Duty.
@Darkmoone1 In all honesty I do not care that Call of Duty is liked by alot of people. My point is that there are far better games getting ignored by the press. Saying something is a hit, does not mean it is good. This is something tried and true through out our history. But I will bash on it, as it is a game that is over saturating our market. A game that over shadows game in my opinion of actual quality. Many many people are tired of these type of games. They are oversaturating our market, and such. People love it fine, but if you want my explanation on that refer to my discussions with Ice Jester. I explain why those games sell....But again sure it is a hit, but it is just not good.