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#1  Edited By TREAL_Since
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I hate to say that it didn't impress me in any other way than impressive engine work. I really dig Ready At Dawn, but with that demonstration they seem to have some work to do. 2014 graphics, 2006 gameplay scenarios. Sure, it's a short video and there is bound to be more to the game. I hope they are trying to wow people with graphical fidelity for the time being, because this makes me go " : / ".

Not saying you have to innovate around every corner, but at least showcase something a tad fresh. I know engine building and it being their first console title is a hell of a task. So I'll give them some breathing room and wait until E3.

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Hey, this is an interesting topic that John brought up. I don't care about the scores, though. The games were reviewed by different people with differing views. One guy suggested that games like this be reviewed by the same person; I think that's a good idea. I do, however, take an interest in comparing and contrasting the content of the two games in regards to pros and cons.

--> I have a question for Forza players: What do you guys/gals think about the seemingly abusive microtransaction model in Forza 5?

I honestly haven't seen a single post that sheds any substance on the matter. As a reader, I was really disappointed in the posts that I've seen. No one really attempted to have a conversation about the core subject.

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Word of advice, John. Don't mention scores. People will ignore any substantive discussion. Also, any genuine passion that you may express can be interpreted as blind rage, therefore garnering you with more ridicule that may not be deserved.

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@sammyjenkis898 said:

Treme kind of sucks ass.

I love this post.

@Eddie-Vedder said:

LOL Gotta feel bad for how irrelevant Gamecrap's opinion has become.

I like to call them beatnik nonconformists.

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@whiskeystrike said:

@Zen_Light said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

lol I was wondering the same thing. I guess some people like to be led while others like to lead.

Good lord it's just gaming.

You fuckers are serious.

Yes, I was dead serious when I asked him the question. I like to understand people better. I'ma serious fucker, lol.

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@DarkLink77 said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

Nah, I'm a huge Zelda fan and I was always interested in the title. I just wasn't sure if I wanted to play it now or wait a little bit so I could clear the backlog a little more.

But I've heard nothing but good things from various websites and a ton of friends, so I guess i'll move up my date of acquisition.

Yeah I see. I've always been interested in it, but I can't get into handhelds...

Also, GOTY awards do shine light on games that you may have missed as well.

It's true. I didn't play The Walking Dead until after it won a ton of awards because I don't have a lot of experience with adventure games (and I'm not a huge fan of the IP) and didn't want to spend the money on something I might not like.

But the sheer amount of awards meant I could get it on the cheap from so many sales, so I was like, "Okay. I'll take a chance for like $5.00." And I'm glad I did.

If you like The Walking Dead, you may like David Cage's games. Maybe. Tell Tale sorta jacked his formula and made it more accessible. Plus The Walking Dead is a property that is well known, so it's easier to digest and get into.

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Minus all of the inane ridiculous stuff in the game, there's some cultural exposé within GTA V. Everything is a learning experience if you'd let it be, but it depends on the individual. Surprisingly, there's some overblown, yet spot on, and satirical truth about American culture in the GTA games. Especially GTA V!

I'll give an example of what Will Wright said about games, and learning experiences in general, during an interview on Star Talk Live hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson (paraphrase):

"Games in general can be learning experiences. They are a means to experience a multitude of things you wouldn't actually do in real life. They can contribute to life training in many ways from."

I am not against the idea of a game being a learning experience or a game being reflective(I'm a big fan of the existence of Papo & Yo, not necessarily the execution of that game). GTA 5, however I would disagree. For every moment the game handles well(for instance, I think the Torture stuff is handled way better than people are giving Rockstar credit for), their actual narrative has nothing really to offer. A character study works when the character develops along the way. But the 3 protagonists in GTA 5 simply don't develop along the way. The are one note by the end. Trevor's shtick of being crazy is just that he's crazy, and whatever backstabbed. Michael's unhappiness, and Franklin who probably deserved better after a certain point is just there. He's a middle man that shows up in what is mostly Michael and Trevor's plot.

Another thing a game can do is be reflective of something(character studies aren't necessarily the same thing), and GTA 5 isn't that at all. The satire has been the same jokes Rockstar has been selling for a decade. Some of it is out right 2 years late to the party(1%ers, wallstreet, etc), and above all else what did GTA 5 ever really have to say as a game? Because I would argue amongst its 3 endings, nothing really. It's a basic backstab plot, that either ends with making two of the characters deplorable, or a third ending where they get away with everything and you're left hollow as an audience member.

To put it another way while Breaking Bad can lay claim to having a genuinely well done character study, it has nothing to say on a reflective level. What could it possibly tell you? "cooking meth is bad and will have negative effects on your family". On the flip side you have something like Treme which does have something to say about a post Katrina New Orleans, or The Wire when it comes to violence and corruption in Baltimore. Is Breaking Bad still excellent? you're god damn right it is. Reflective or a show with something say? Absolutely not. Not in comparison to shows that have come before, are out now, and will come after.

That is my stance with GTA 5, fun game, but outside a few moments it has nothing to really say with it's narrative. Largely because it doesn't go through the trouble of actually developing its characters. You got more from it? more power to you, but I would argue GTA 5 doesn't make enough of an effort to really earn it.

I'm glad you responded. I really enjoyed reading it!

For seasoned life 'experiencers' like us, GTA may not say much. But there's a 15 year old kid out there who's just mind blown at the cultural relevancy and things they can learn from a game like GTA, lol. The radio commentary and advertising in particular. It extends beyond the actual story arch. Also, Rockstar are late to the party with specific topics of course, mostly due to their dev cycles. But it still relevant, depending on who you are.

You're right, Trevor and the gang aren't real character studies. But they are interesting characters for me, who exist in the real world. They are well done for what they represent, but they don't evolve. So you can say they are a study of a one note individual, haha.

On to Breaking Bad, I think it has something to say, but not many things to say, like The Wire! Season 4 of the Wire is probably the greatest thing to ever hit HBO, or television for that matter. Damn, just thinking about it makes me happy that it exists.

I need to watch Treme! Currently watching The Returned, which is has some decent character development. Mostly, it's just a twist on the living dead.

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@DarkLink77 said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

Nah, I'm a huge Zelda fan and I was always interested in the title. I just wasn't sure if I wanted to play it now or wait a little bit so I could clear the backlog a little more.

But I've heard nothing but good things from various websites and a ton of friends, so I guess i'll move up my date of acquisition.

Yeah I see. I've always been interested in it, but I can't get into handhelds...

Also, GOTY awards do shine light on games that you may have missed as well.

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@mems_1224 said:

@jg4xchamp said:

I take it back. The gamespot comment section is only funny, the Neogaf comments about Gamespots GOTy is breathtaking

The problem with Zelda winning GOTY is it doesn't provide any social commentary.

Nintendo's entire philosophy is to create games that temporarily draw you away from reality. Games that are essentially created in a vacuum. That's a perfectly fine sort of game to enjoy, and it's possibly why their franchises have aged so well, but they're so abstract nothing can really be gleaned from them.

There's no incite. The player isn't changed by the experience. You turn the game off and move on with your life. You won't hop on the subway and see an elf. You

will

see GTA 5's Trevor, but you won't understand him.

If in 50 years someone want's to get a feel for what gaming (and life) in 2013 was like, is Zelda really the best example?

Now that is some pretentious ass shit right there.

lolright? and it's about GTA 5, the **** does GTA 5 teach you about anything. Game is ridiculous as ****.

Minus all of the inane and ridiculous stuff in the game, there's some cultural exposé within GTA V. Everything is a learning experience if you'd let it be, but it depends on the individual. Surprisingly, there's some overblown, yet spot on, and satirical truth about American culture in the GTA games. Especially GTA V!

I'll give an example of what Will Wright said about games, and learning experiences in general, during an interview on Star Talk Live hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson (paraphrase):

"Games in general can be learning experiences. They are a means to experience a multitude of things you wouldn't actually do in real life. They can contribute to life training in many ways."

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@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

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@mems_1224 said:

@jg4xchamp said:

I take it back. The gamespot comment section is only funny, the Neogaf comments about Gamespots GOTy is breathtaking

The problem with Zelda winning GOTY is it doesn't provide any social commentary.

Nintendo's entire philosophy is to create games that temporarily draw you away from reality. Games that are essentially created in a vacuum. That's a perfectly fine sort of game to enjoy, and it's possibly why their franchises have aged so well, but they're so abstract nothing can really be gleaned from them.

There's no incite. The player isn't changed by the experience. You turn the game off and move on with your life. You won't hop on the subway and see an elf. You

will

see GTA 5's Trevor, but you won't understand him.

If in 50 years someone want's to get a feel for what gaming (and life) in 2013 was like, is Zelda really the best example?

Now that is some pretentious ass shit right there.

Definitely. I kinda agree with it though. He thinks Nintendo doesn't deserve to have a GOTY game. I don't agree with that part at all. Abstract ideas give feeling, provoke thought, and can evolve you as in individual. Nintendo has done this for ages to great affect, for me.

Character studies that we find in GTA or Gone Home aren't the only way to provide a feeling, nor is it the only way help you relate to the world. But his general idea of games that evolve you, I have a similar beliefs. He just has a closed minded view on it though, lol.