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#1 StanLords
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Tough topic!

I don't usually buy the first wave of any system (at least not with the new generations). I can usually hold off a bit and wait for some post launch games to come out... BUT I don't remember being this excited for a system of any kind in such a long time! I have been hoping wishing and posting (like many people) for a handheld remake of OTT. AND THEY ARE DOING IT on the 3DS!!!....so maybe I can hold out long enough for a Zelda bundle to come out...which will happen, It happens on every handheld system...ahh the dreams of nerds.

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#2 StanLords
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There are two major flaws in the blog. First, the guy is making a generalization from what amounts to anecdotal evidence. It is not logical to conclude that the gaming industry as a whole loves violence with a "sociopathic abandon" just because he didn't like the ad campaigns for the select number of FPSs that he watched at the latest E3. Second, he undercuts his own argument with examples of games that he enjoys that do not treat violence with sociopathic abandon.

But what really hit me when I read this blog was that this was one more gamer who falls in line with all the censorship bs that is out there. It always amazes me how many gamers out there buy into the arguments that violence in video games is dangerous and deserves special condemnation over all other forms of violence in the media.

It's interesting how these kinds of gamers compartmentalize the violence. It's OK for them to enjoy video game violence because (1) they are well-balanced, mature individuals (yeah, even the 15 year olds and younger gamers consider themselves mature), but they fear for the fate of those unbalanced immature gamers out there with their lazy, no good parents who let them play violent video games and torture the family cat or (2) their games are OK because they only include socially acceptable violence, but they fear for the fate of those who play games with socially unacceptable violence because who can resist such violence. Clearly, the blogger falls into the second category. He makes it clear that the kinds of violent video games that he enjoys are perfectly OK and socially acceptable but the kinds of violent video games that he doesn't enjoy are seen as evil and corrupting. I call bs on that whole line of argument.

I especially take issue with the blogger's notion that the only socially acceptable use of violence in the media is when a hero is relunctantly forced to punish a bad guy who deserves it. Talk about "creative adolescence." Painting the world black and white/good versus evil is not a mature world view.

Are there games out there that I find distasteful? Hell yes. Am I scared by them? No way. It has been my anecdotal observation that the really distasteful games do not sell. I'm perfectly comfortable with letting the market take care of this issue. I'm certainly not going to sit down next to the blogger on his high perch and "look with dismay" on all the people who do not share his narrow viewpoint of what is acceptable in video games and what is not.

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Good points all around.

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#3 StanLords
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[QUOTE="StanLords"]

[QUOTE="qelery07"]

The DS was launched at $149.99, the DS lite at $129.99,and the DSi was $169.

I can't see the 3DS costing more than $220.

qelery07

http://www.geekosystem.com/3ds-price-profit/....check out the link. The 3DS will be more expensive then the other DSs.. the DSIXL is 190...its not just going to be 30 dollors more. The tech is too new to be cheap

ehh...you're right. I hope Nintendo doesn't try to make too much profit off of this thing. It would deter a lot of people (including me) if this costs as much as or even more than a console.

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#4 StanLords
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The DS was launched at $149.99, the DS lite at $129.99,and the DSi was $169.

I can't see the 3DS costing more than $220.

qelery07

http://www.geekosystem.com/3ds-price-profit/....check out the link. The 3DS will be more expensive then the other DSs.. the DSIXL is 190...its not just going to be 30 dollors more. The tech is too new to be cheap

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#5 StanLords
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$200 seems like a possibility, but I can't understand why all you people are "hoping" for that price point. Based on Nintendo upping the costs for the (i) and XL models, I can see it going anywhere from $169, all the way to $220. IF it reaches closer to the latter, I'm willing to bet that it will be bundled in with software. Perhaps 1 3DS game, an N64 remake, and maybe a psp style "voucher" for a 3d flick.

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No way dude! 169...I think your getting closer with 220...the tech is too new, and its too novel of a product. The more I think about whats on the market the more I think it will cost more...but I agree I think it will come with a game in a bundle, I doubt a N64 re-make, (although fingers crossed for OOT 3D HA)... I think it will be 300 with the game.
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#6 StanLords
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I understand where this guy is coming from but I think there might be a little too much sensitivity to this. An issue that we have here in the States is that video games are enjoyed by most demographics, all ages enjoy video games. That being said the way censorship works with parents is horrible in this country, I remember being in a Target and seeing a mother let her 9 (ish) buy Grand Theft Auto..that shouldn't happen. In other countries (Australia and Britain for instance) the average age of a gamer is a lot higher. We need to age sensor our games a bit more, that is true. But violence in video games is fine.

Going to this guys point of the presentation of the violence in E3, there is a simple solution, don't watch and don't play. It is your prerogative to watch or not to watch, and if criticism is your way of expressing yourself that's fine too. The problem comes when people who don't want to take part in the violence in video games try to prevent everyone else from playing games (ie California). If you don't like violence in video games that is fine, but that does not mean that the creative aspect of video games is in its "adolescence". That is simply attacking something because it unsettles you; it's not an impartialopinion. As far as Time square goes, I live in New York and work near time square. I went to check out the live broadcast for a bit, I didn't see anything inappropriate ( I obviously didn't stay the whole day or multiple days) but I suppose that as a New Yorker my concern with violence in Times Square does not include violence in Video games, so I suppose that is MY biased opinion

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#7 StanLords
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I honestly think it will be around 250-300..new technology, i feel like the first gen is going to be a bit pricey.

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#8 StanLords
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Probably the N64... So many good games.Aquat1cF1sh
Gotta agree Aqua, N64 is AWESOME. Still play mine on a regular basis. In fact just broke out Bomberman 64 once again (good game)..but I never considered the N64 underrated. Maybe a bit forgotten as of late because of all the new generation 3D systems but when 64 came out I believe that most people excepted its greatness. Common dude Mario 64!
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#9 StanLords
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[QUOTE="StanLords"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]There are systems out there like Atari 5200, Atari 7800, Atari Jaguar, Turbografx-16, Sega CD, Sega 32X, Virtual Boy, Saturn, Dreamcast, Neo Geo, 3DO, Lynx, Fairchild Channel F, and others. And you guys are naming Gamecube? Come on. Gamecube was a mainstream, top-selling system. It is not underrated at all. I know tons of people that had Gamecubes, including myself.Emerald_Warrior
Dude. I'm down for alot of these systems but common the Atari got alot of play, it was THE system back in the day...but you have to face the fact that some of these systems you mentioned are just really bad (Virtual Boy and Jaguar especially). I have not played one game on the Jaguar that I enjoyed and the Virtual is ridiculous it makes you want to throw up after 20 min.

Yeah, the Atari 2600 was common, not the 5200 or 7800. And yeah, the majority of people think those systems are bad. But some people really enjoy them as well. But then that's kind of the definition of underrated, right? Because if everyone liked them, then they wouldn't be underrated.

You do have a good point.
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#10 StanLords
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There are systems out there like Atari 5200, Atari 7800, Atari Jaguar, Turbografx-16, Sega CD, Sega 32X, Virtual Boy, Saturn, Dreamcast, Neo Geo, 3DO, Lynx, Fairchild Channel F, and others. And you guys are naming Gamecube? Come on. Gamecube was a mainstream, top-selling system. It is not underrated at all. I know tons of people that had Gamecubes, including myself.Emerald_Warrior
Dude. I'm down for alot of these systems but common the Atari got alot of play, it was THE system back in the day...but you have to face the fact that some of these systems you mentioned are just really bad (Virtual Boy and Jaguar especially). I have not played one game on the Jaguar that I enjoyed and the Virtual is ridiculous it makes you want to throw up after 20 min.
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