Officially, the reason for issuing hollow-point rounds to police officers is that such a round is less likely to penetrate the intended target and hit a hostage or bystander.

That's cause I understand the difference between a real life firearm and VR Controls. I'm kinda odd like that.

I realize that when you push the button then the weapon goes boom and zombie/Nazi/Russian/Alien/Demon go ouch and die, while if you pull the trigger it goes bang, you feel the weapon jolt back due to the recoil, it might sting a little if you've held it wrong, the chartridge flies out, you'll likely flinch as a result of the sound, muzzle flash, slight heat, the recoil and the feeling of it.

I also realize that another button or simply lowering the weapons means the firearm is automatically reloaded and you can make more baddies go ouch and die in a game, while you'd need to flip the release switch to get the empty magazine to eject, reach for another one, put it in correctly and properly and then pull the lever/handle to reload it in the real life.

Not to mention if you aim it at a friendly then often the crosshair goes green and the weapon refuses to shoot, or it shoots through the friendly without injuring him in a game, while you'd need to eject whatever round you have in the chamber, ensure there isn't a round in the chamber, flip the safety switch, remove your finger from the trigger and never point it at anyone you don't wanna kill in real life.

But hey I guess we're just different and I'm that odd dope.

When you answer a straight up question on whether 2 months of playing a VR game is enough for me to handle a gun, with "I think you would be good and able to handle a firearm quite well". It's hardly out of context to say that supports a statement that time in VR is more then sufficient.

Furthermore I am not pretending you are saying VR "training" isn't sufficient, believe me I think we all know you find it quite sufficient.

If you are holding one controller, how rack the slide? Operate the safety? The hammer? Press check? Mag release? Mag insert? By pressing buttons? Yeah...

Unless the vive controller is shaped like a gun, no, it's nothing like a real gun for muscle memory. Hell, people discount Glocks simply because amount of retraining required due to minor difference grip angle compared to many other pistols on the market. And you're telling me that something that looks like the vive controller would be conducive to muscle memory training? Please.

@Renevent42 said:

@Treflis said:

@Renevent42 said:

You would be quite good, and it would be good training on how to hold and fire a gun. It also is better training accuracy wise that some light gun arcade cabinet. If you can master shooting via sights in VR, those skills will largely transfer over to real shooting. There are some additional things you will have to get used to (recoil), but that's it.

You heard it here first people.

Wanna fly a Boeing 747 and have the lives of 200 people in your hand, dock some hours into a Flight game and take to the wings.

Wanna Drive a car?, no need for a license just put some hours into Gran Turismo, take your dad's car and you're the new Michael Shumaker going down the freeway.

Want a gun?, Put hours into The Brookhaven Experiment and go buy one.

So long as you put some time into the virtual reality, it's sufficient apparantly.

( Seriously, don't. Don't be a numbskull people)

You're a dope. I specifically said flying is far more complicated, therefor requires more than just simulator training. A gun on the other hand? If you went through VR training you could easily be proficient enough with it's safety features, how to load, aim, fire, and clear it. It's not like any of that is so complicated, though maybe it is for a dope like you.

Anyways would you be an expert ready to compete in a shooting competition? Of course not. Would it also not still be helpful to have additional, real life training? Of course it would. Is VR capable of offering practical training on gun use and how to effectively shoot one? Absolutely.

(stop being a dope, seriously)

Well it sure took sarcasm to finally get you to somewhat admit that shooting guns in VR alone isn't sufficient when it comes to Firearms, which you avoided as if it was the black plague and you brushed off as "All you gotta get used to is that recoil". Almost like simply answering " Well you should get instructions and such in real life too and not just rely on VR", was such a hard thing to do.

Even with handguns, you can't get a proper two hands thumbs-overlap grip since vive has controller on each hand. Until those accurate replica controllers are released (or IF they are released), VR makes for a poor training substitute.

Sure, having instruction inside VR might be slightly better but bulk of the training value is derived from the instruction not the VR system. Unlike driving and flight training which is based on reaction of environmental visual and audio cues (when you hit that braking point, or tone engine sound for gear management or tires breaking traction), firearm training is one based on muscle memory, which in turn is primarily tactile feedback instead of visual and audio feedback (what VR is currently capable of augmenting).

Airsoft is better than VR because you get that muscle memory from tactile feedback that's missing in VR. Most trainers would tell you that outside shooting ranges, dry firing exercise is the best training tool you have in your disposal.

You heard it here first people.

Wanna fly a Boeing 747 and have the lives of 200 people in your hand, dock some hours into a Flight game and take to the wings.

Wanna Drive a car?, no need for a license just put some hours into Gran Turismo, take your dad's car and you're the new Michael Shumaker going down the freeway.

Want a gun?, Put hours into The Brookhaven Experiment and go buy one.

So long as you put some time into the virtual reality, it's sufficient apparantly.

( Seriously, don't. Don't be a numbskull people)

Again your VR rifle has no physical presence, so not you don't FEEL the length of the weapon (in fact you don't feel anything other than the controllers). With rifles, you can't shoulder the stock or proper position for your support hand and with pistols you can't practice (or would even know) a proper thumb over grip.

Youtube videos can train you on those things and trainees mimicking those stances would have a better success than someone who learned strictly in a VR environment. Hell someone with an airsoft would be a more capable shooter than the VR person.

My disagreement is with your notion that using a firearm in Virtual Reality is sufficient "training" to handle one in real life. At no point did you say that I'd of course need to take a safety course and additional instructions in real life if I got a handgun after just playing The Brookhaven Experiment for two months. Rather you said that I'd be quite good at using a handgun.

Something I'd be willing to bet the overall majority of gun owners on this site would disagree with and call me stupid for not taking had I posed them the same question.