it wont be. why would they provide an awesome package when they know they can sell it to you piece by piece as DLC? and why should they innovate if they dont need to? its a busienss. there are no artists at rockstar.

even though saints 3 was a little dissapointing it was still a lot more fun than GTA4. and although i imagine saints 4 will ape the cynical marketing ploys of rockstar even further, i still wager it will provide more fun that the next gta grind fest.

Good Luck to all the volition guys through all this. Love your work and many other THQ titles. Hope you all go on to good things

If there was a sweet mechgame for this OR the next gen of consoles, especially if it gcame with controllers like the original STEEL BATTALION i would pay upward of £200 for it. (Especially as that would no doubt restrict the numbers of kids playing)

@Venatorcruiser OR howabout they release a gamne with plenty to do in it in the first place?

So next time rockstar release a title with marketing that teases with hints of content, while letting your imagination do the rest, understand they are doing so knowing that as long as they call some basic button pressing "XX feature" they are fulfilling their objective: seelling uy based on marketing. This episode I hope will wake people up to the fact that pre-ordering or buying before you can try it or get some unbiased feedback is BAD for gamers as well as the industry.

rent a server took away my freedom of choice so i vowed not to buy another EA game. And i stand by it. it was a cynical money making ploy (in my opinion) that DID ruin the game for me. I hope everyone that does buy this has fun and doesnt find some change made after purchase by EA ruins it for them.

@iskulaatikko It's the crazy nonsence and outlandish activites that make ALL games fun. This is why "office worker 2: neverending boredom" hasnt been made.

if they wanna make game more real make buildings you can enter, structures you can destroy and body parts that come flying off when you crash cars into them. not boring idiot mates that call you to take them to do boring activities!!

games are meant to be fun. and when the newest installment of a game is less fun than the last, it shouldnt get 10/10.

you mark my words: there will be NO info at all about features / content in the game. as there wont be any. theyll milk this cash cow by making anythign worth having DLC

Question for all the GTA4 fans. If it was really THAT good, how can this be better?

Here's how: putting back all the things that made vice city and san andreas so good, and leave out the boring friends, dumb hobbies other nonsense that made GTA4 so boring. More jet packs, tanks and jets and NEW IDEAS please!!

@Evilbunz smoke and mirrors refers to the marketing. little real evidence of content is given. content is implied. im old and cynical and remember when games were sold on reviews from people who played them at length before they go on sale. all the marketing budget is spent getting people to PREORDER! hence: weaker titles.