Bruh, the pvp has been a thing since the original Demon's. Stop focusing on ER like it only got popular there. With demon's dks1 and dks2, it was niche, but with DkS3 it wasn't niche at all, and its pvp'ers that keep these games alive way after the game released its last content drop. I get it, you hate it like literally everyone on SW, which ain't new, you're not the first i am having a convo with about pvp in Souls games. But you gotta remember, your opinion about it being bad is completely irrelevant because the scene is ONLY growing. If Fromsoft takes it more seriously in the next entry, and adds private servers, this thing will be big, and you're still gonna be covering your eyes, plugging your ears and bitch about it being bad🤷‍♂️

Technically the first Lords of The Fallen (2014) was the first Souls-like and it didn't suck. We've had numerous decent Souls-likes since.

And that's that. You don't like it like 100% of everyone else on SW, but this isn't saying shit. If people spent hundreds or thousands of hours in ER pvp'ing (and it needs to be said, people do pvp for zero rewards, while gaming in 2023 is 100% centered around rewarding/progression for that dopamine hit. The fact that people don't give a shit, and just play it for fun, should tell you enough when it comes to the quality of its pvp), there's obviously something in there that people like. If it was dogshit like you're saying that it is, nobody would be wasting their time in it, just like in Nioh and now Wo Long.

And i am not seeing how me bringing roll catches has anything to do with roll spam. You couldn't roll spam in DkS2, but roll catches were always a thing. If you don't know the timings to roll catch, that's on you. Learn instead of bitching.

You genuinely sound like those pve'er on gamefaqs that i delete, sit on their dead body, and they send me a juicy wall of hate mail calling me all kind of names.

Pvp is what keeps me playing these games for hundreds and hundreds of hours. Remove it, and just like Sekiro, there's no content. So YES, when a certain combat system suxxx balls in pvp, its combat system becomes irrelevant.🤷‍♂️

You can't balance a game perfectly when the build system is this flexible. No balanced games offer this much flexibility. They've been releasing pvp only balance patches, and the current game isn't anywhere near as broken as it was at release.

The pvp is only getting bigger, and with ER, its actually big now, and they've even done tourneys on twitch. Nioh has a good combat system, but is completely dogshit spam fest in pvp. The difference between Souls pvp and Nioh pvp is that Souls pvp is very easy to follow even for someone who doesn't play the game, while Nioh's pvp looks like floaty spam, with zero balance at all. And if you're bitchin' about rolls spam in ER, you've clearly have never learned to roll catch, so that's your fault, not the game's fault.

That's great, glad to know your opion n all, but i've spent most likely 5k+ hours in it since the original demon's and a shitload of people are pvp'ing in ER over a year later, even tho there's no new content, so your opinion is obviously just that, your opinion.

The only thing that's awful is their servers, but since nobody in the god damn industry is able to offer better, you accept what's given and move on.

Used to agree with that, but after trying its pvp, f*ck no.